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Siringi wrote:simonkabz wrote:washiku wrote:This is what my lower sch teacher wrote on the board...and the rest was a combination picked from either of this(I might have jumped some)...By the way I never forgot to read Kikuyu...when in Shags, I read for them a Kikuyu Bible fluently. I even have a Kikuyu Bible...I therefore thought its a simple language until I went through this thread. I didnt know it was such a complex language.
a,e,i,o,u,ĩ,ŭ. Eg aaaiiii..
ba,be,bi,bo,bu,bĩ,bŭ. Eg baba
ca,ce,ci,co,cu,cĩ,cŭ. Eg cucu
da,de,di,do,du,dĩ,dŭ. Eg
ga,ge,gi,go,gu,gĩ,gŭ.
ha,he,hi,ho,hu,hĩ,hŭ.
ja,je,ji,jo,ju,jĩ,jŭ.
ka,ke,ki,ko,ku,kĩ,kŭ.
ma,me,mi,mo,mu,mĩ,mŭ.
na,ne,ni,no,nu,nĩ,nŭ.
ra,re,ri,ro,ru,rĩ,rŭ.
ta,te,ti,to,tu,tĩ,tŭ.
wa,we,wi,wo,wu,wĩ,wŭ.
ya,ye,yi,yo,yu,yĩ,yŭ.
there are others that involves addition of n or m before some of the above
nda,nde,ndi,ndo,ndu,ndĩ,ndŭ. Eg Nduma
mba,mbe,mbi,mbo,mbu,mbĩ,mbŭ. Eg Mbembe
nja, nje,nji,njo,nju,njĩ,njŭ. Eg Njururi
hakuna kitu kama jajejijoju.....J doesn't stand alone at least in th e alphabet that I was taught. Refer to Clown's post. In fact, no kikuyu name has a stand alone J, but NJ eg, Wanja, Wanjau, Njau, Njarana, Njaramba...as for the spoken version hehehe There's no da de di do du dì dù either. "d" only appears in "nd" Ndùngù, Nduta, Ndiang'ui, ndùma,nduma, ndundu, Hau nima...mwaria ma biu....
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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Money Whisperer wrote:@wakanyugi, Great discussion I enjoyed it kabisaa and stirred my interest in the subject. It seems we need to interrogate Profs Muriuki and Mwaniki's theses on the subject they might have got it wrong from where I stand. after all we were given the powers to read and write and do all that appertains... which includes disagreeing with profs I agree. I have interrogated a few of their more controversial conclusions in my own way and find they make sense. For instance, to name just one, the origin of Kikuyu clans in Kirinyaga, Embu and Mbeere is easy to show. The majority of Gikuyu mbari (sub clan) names are derived from animals, same as are Embu, Ndia, Mbere and some Meru names. I also had the good fortune to interview some old people in Kiambu, Nyeri, Embu and Nyandarua who narrated the migration history of the Gikuyu to me. This also confirmed the stories my grandmother used to tell me about the dual lineage of my family - she came from Ndia and my grandfather came from Burugo (Purko). Now I have a rant: what happened to Kenya's historians? It seems a generation of historians is about to exit the stage (Mwaniki, Muriuki, the late Were, Mbiti, even Jomo, were all of an age). Who is going to replace them when they are gone? "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Wakanyugi wrote:Money Whisperer wrote:@wakanyugi, Great discussion I enjoyed it kabisaa and stirred my interest in the subject. It seems we need to interrogate Profs Muriuki and Mwaniki's theses on the subject they might have got it wrong from where I stand. after all we were given the powers to read and write and do all that appertains... which includes disagreeing with profs I agree. I have interrogated a few of their more controversial conclusions in my own way and find they make sense. For instance, to name just one, the origin of Kikuyu clans in Kirinyaga, Embu and Mbeere is easy to show. The majority of Gikuyu mbari (sub clan) names are derived from animals, same as are Embu, Ndia, Mbere and some Meru names. I also had the good fortune to interview some old people in Kiambu, Nyeri, Embu and Nyandarua who narrated the migration history of the Gikuyu to me. This also confirmed the stories my grandmother used to tell me about the dual lineage of my family - she came from Ndia and my grandfather came from Burugo (Purko). Now I have a rant: what happened to Kenya's historians? It seems a generation of historians is about to exit the stage (Mwaniki, Muriuki, the late Were, Mbiti, even Jomo, were all of an age). Who is going to replace them when they are gone? @Wakanyugi, please expound more how Gikuyu was begot by kamba only 200 years ago taking note of the following: • Prof. Muriuki, who you claim is a better authority than yourself, was able to trace Gikuyu history upto 500 years before the coming of white man. • Krapf arrived in kitui in mid 1800s and found the kamba, who in turn made reference to kinyaa (kirinyaga), a gikuyu name. Do you mean gikuyu had separated from kamba merely 50 years before that- as in within the lifetime of the chief/living memory if he was +50?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
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found a great page- 'Ask any questions pertaining to the agikuyu traditions and ways of life.'nice one. https://www.facebook.com/groups/126883010804883/?notif_t=group_privacy_change
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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Lolest! wrote: I told you my reasons. They are close to @whisperers. I understand a bit of each of the Mt Kenya languages, and with my layman's knowledge and bit of history can't just get how a more complicated language is derived from a less complicated one.
By this I assume you want to say Gikuyu is more complicated than Kikamba? How now? I think you are confusing sounds with meaning. Kikamba is as sophisticated as Gikuyu, maybe more so. For one it is much more tonal than Gikuyu, a quality that not only indicates sophistication (multiple levels of meaning and sentence construction) but also language maturity. Take a look at Chinese for instance, one of the oldest surviving languages on Earth. It has the same qualities as Kikamba, clear evidence of drift and tonality. Would you argue that English is more complicated than Chinese? "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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When at it: MITUGO MIURU KANITHAINI 1.kùhoyahoya karamu wandìke verse... 2.kùina ùkìhiùragia mathutha mùno arìa angì makaaga space ya kùinìra... 3.kùruta cati kana blaùsi ùgatigwo na vest/kamisù atì kwìna ùrugarì mùno... 4.gùcùthìrìria arìa angì makìhoya ta we ùtarì na ùndù wa kwìra Ngai... 5.kùmandìkìrìria bigi-jii gìtìinì yathira cama... 6.gùkoma gùkìhunjio nginya mata makanyùrùrùka... 7.gùthùkia rìera na ùgetua tiwe, ùgatùma andù marorane ùùru... 8.gwìtua ndùnaigua mùhunjia akiuga 'geithia ùcio mùikaranìtie'... 9.kùruta gìtangari gùkìinwo 'bendera yake Yesu'... 10.kùhoya kamweke ga kùina ùgacoka kuuga 'mùthikìrìrie ciugo no ti mùgambo' 12.kùhe ciana irio kanithainì arìa marafast makagwa magerioinì ma kwenda kùrìa... 13.gùtinda ùkiuma nìguo andù mone wìna nguo njeru
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limanika wrote:
@Wakanyugi, please expound more how Gikuyu was begot by kamba only 200 years ago taking note of the following:
• Prof. Muriuki, who you claim is a better authority than yourself, was able to trace Gikuyu history upto 500 years before the coming of white man.
• Krapf arrived in kitui in mid 1800s and found the kamba, who in turn made reference to kinyaa (kirinyaga), a gikuyu name. Do you mean gikuyu had separated from kamba merely 50 years before that- as in within the lifetime of the chief/living memory if he was +50?
Hey, I never claimed to be the authority here. I admit I could have got some numbers wrong, but my broad thesis is clearly undeniable. There is no theory I know that can show a phonetic derivation of 'Kirinyaga' from 'Kenyaa.' But the reverse is quite possible. And, lest we get stuck on consonant drift too much, there is plenty more evidence in other areas to show the antecedence of Kamba to Gikuyu. To quote Prof Muriuki, the Muranga and Kabete Gikuyu speak of an origin in Ithanga - Kamba land. We even had a children's rhyme about a man/woman who went to guard his sorghum in Ithanga and what came of him/her. He/she stepped on a frog that was, Wow! Njunge can sing it for you. Then I could tell you about the Thagishu from Tanzania and their links with Kamba and Gikuyu. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/26/2009 Posts: 326 Location: Nairobi
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washiku wrote:Siringi wrote:simonkabz wrote:washiku wrote:This is what my lower sch teacher wrote on the board...and the rest was a combination picked from either of this(I might have jumped some)...By the way I never forgot to read Kikuyu...when in Shags, I read for them a Kikuyu Bible fluently. I even have a Kikuyu Bible...I therefore thought its a simple language until I went through this thread. I didnt know it was such a complex language.
a,e,i,o,u,ĩ,ŭ. Eg aaaiiii..
ba,be,bi,bo,bu,bĩ,bŭ. Eg baba
ca,ce,ci,co,cu,cĩ,cŭ. Eg cucu
da,de,di,do,du,dĩ,dŭ. Eg
ga,ge,gi,go,gu,gĩ,gŭ.
ha,he,hi,ho,hu,hĩ,hŭ.
ja,je,ji,jo,ju,jĩ,jŭ.
ka,ke,ki,ko,ku,kĩ,kŭ.
ma,me,mi,mo,mu,mĩ,mŭ.
Mbara mbembe mbimbi mboco mbuku mbia mbuku
Ndara Ndege ndigi ndogo nduma ndiri nduma
Nganga ngengere ngi NGO Nguru ngiri nguku
Njara njege njingiri njogu njuru njimbiri njuguma
Thara thenge thigiriri thonjo thumu thi thungururu
Ng'ang'a teng'era king'angi ng'ondu king'uru kung'u
The last 2 words should be read with ` as in ' ay' and oh
na,ne,ni,no,nu,nĩ,nŭ.
ra,re,ri,ro,ru,rĩ,rŭ.
ta,te,ti,to,tu,tĩ,tŭ.
wa,we,wi,wo,wu,wĩ,wŭ.
ya,ye,yi,yo,yu,yĩ,yŭ.
there are others that involves addition of n or m before some of the above
nda,nde,ndi,ndo,ndu,ndĩ,ndŭ. Eg Nduma
mba,mbe,mbi,mbo,mbu,mbĩ,mbŭ. Eg Mbembe
nja, nje,nji,njo,nju,njĩ,njŭ. Eg Njururi
hakuna kitu kama jajejijoju.....J doesn't stand alone at least in th e alphabet that I was taught. Refer to Clown's post. In fact, no kikuyu name has a stand alone J, but NJ eg, Wanja, Wanjau, Njau, Njarana, Njaramba...as for the spoken version hehehe There's no da de di do du dì dù either. "d" only appears in "nd" Ndùngù, Nduta, Ndiang'ui, ndùma,nduma, ndundu, Hau nima...mwaria ma biu....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/21/2013 Posts: 2,841 Location: Here
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washiku wrote:When at it:
MITUGO MIURU KANITHAINI
1.kùhoyahoya karamu wandìke verse...
2.kùina ùkìhiùragia mathutha mùno arìa angì makaaga space ya kùinìra...
3.kùruta cati kana blaùsi ùgatigwo na vest/kamisù atì kwìna ùrugarì mùno...
4.gùcùthìrìria arìa angì makìhoya ta we ùtarì na ùndù wa kwìra Ngai...
5.kùmandìkìrìria bigi-jii gìtìinì yathira cama...
6.gùkoma gùkìhunjio nginya mata makanyùrùrùka...
7.gùthùkia rìera na ùgetua tiwe, ùgatùma andù marorane ùùru...
8.gwìtua ndùnaigua mùhunjia akiuga 'geithia ùcio mùikaranìtie'...
9.kùruta gìtangari gùkìinwo 'bendera yake Yesu'...
10.kùhoya kamweke ga kùina ùgacoka kuuga 'mùthikìrìrie ciugo no ti mùgambo'
12.kùhe ciana irio kanithainì arìa marafast makagwa magerioinì ma kwenda kùrìa...
13.gùtinda ùkiuma nìguo andù mone wìna nguo njeru You just had to  Life is like playing a violin solo in public and learning the instrument as one goes on.
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/7/2010 Posts: 728 Location: Wazuaville
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@Wakanyugi, the migratory narrative of the GEMA after splitting from Thagicu and their migratory trajectory sounds interesting. I'm getting fascinated with this Thagicu people. who were they? was it a distinct group or a corporate name like GEMA? Some people still have the name Thagichu "Money never sleeps"
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