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Djinn
#1 Posted : Monday, October 25, 2010 2:51:19 PM
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Its seems in Africa we're headed down that road...

- phenomenal infrastructure investment - six or more different submarine cables in the last 2-3 years - WACS, Eassy, TEAMS, ACE. GLO-1, SEACOM, etc) - who is really going to use all this bandwidth? The biggest test for SEACOM was FIFA 2010 (internet, broadcast, HSDPA, etc, etc)
- Country level - a lot of ego driven vanity spending on SOME infrastructure - Jamii, AK, KDN all digging up the streets to lay fibre - but really more subscribers using WiMax or other means for lasst mile access (very little Fibre). Now, some countries have woken up and trying to discuss sharing such infrastructure
- premise of all these investments is really emotional - no hard statistics except "internet penetration is 5%" or "3G will cause more data to be used" or "e-government/e-learning" blah blah blah

Zain probably saw this and were happy to sell to Bharti. Orascom have been slowing flogging their businesses in Africa (and almost had a big deal with MTN).

Its just the likes of Orange/Bharti/Vodafone still keen on business in Africa.

We have big pipes coming to the shore. But very few pipes running to people's houses (consumers) and not much water to run through the pipes (content).

I think we will face a telecom bubble in Africa the next 12-18 months. I think telecom stocks (and perhaps EACables) might not be such sexy stocks next year

My two bits...
VituVingiSana
#2 Posted : Monday, October 25, 2010 2:55:33 PM
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- Data usage is jumping high double digits...
- If Kenya can attract serious BPO then we the undersea cables will make sense... Expect 100%+ usage growth
- EA Cables is not a telcom stock as much as 'building' stock... Copper + Aluminum is larger than fibre-optics for them... at this point...

WiMax provides 'last-mile' but the signal is carried to that last mile by fibre-optics... That said... sharing is the way to go!
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Djinn
#3 Posted : Monday, October 25, 2010 3:12:45 PM
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@VVS " WiMax provides 'last-mile' but the signal is carried to that last mile by fibre-optics... That said... sharing is the way to go!"

Yes fibre is at the back end of WiMax but can also be last mile (FTTH) which is why streets and such were being dug up - to wire office blacks and apartment blocks - fibre - FTTH - as a last mile is expensive which is why all the digging has mainly been in affluent areas and the CBD.

If anyone here can confirm they are connected by fibre (and know this for a fact) - if ten people confirm I will go on national TV and eat my shoes.

Also, EA Cables - I do not mean fibre will cost them business - rather other types of non-elec cabling (comms, Pabx, LAN etc) - and with a lot of things going wireless (voice, voip, LAN, WAN, etc).
bird_man
#4 Posted : Monday, October 25, 2010 3:21:57 PM
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@Djinn, I doubt we are going to see a bubble here.
The demand for internet is growing bigger by the day,its even there.The only problem is that suppliers are not willing to offer at an agreeable price.

I once read somewhere that we consume 4% of the cables capacity in Kenya.Now introduce BPO,Cable TV etc at affordable prices and the consumption will jump.I think its just a matter of time.....or some regulation to ensure internet is offered at a good price.
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Djinn
#5 Posted : Monday, October 25, 2010 3:25:28 PM
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@VVS - Yes, data usage is growing but...let me ask: June 09 - what did you used to pay per MB...Dec 09? June '10? Lets look ahead at Dec '10 - after the price wars that started in August...I think it will be even less - so, yes, we consume more...but for abt the same price...

With Zain, before they came up with bundles, I used to spend Kshs 8 per MB last year...this year its anything between 2-6 bob depending on the bundle (and I can't say my consumption has increased - same old email, facebook, etc etc - nothing much has changed in terms of content - I do not check land records or online taxes or interact with Prof Ongeri online, neither do I listen to KTN online or Classic FM - nothing much has changed in that regard - NOTHING - so I am not about to consume more because it costs less (that may work only in a bar during happy hour)

So, in a sense, consumtion has gone up, but the overall revenue to operators remains the same. Add a few % points of growth in subscribers, and maybe they have some margins...but these same margins are threatened by half the rate of voice calls - even prior to the drastic price cuts by Bharti - telcos were looking at data as the savior...now voice rates are down...next weapon in the arsenal is data (in some cases its even going to extend to devices).
sheep
#6 Posted : Monday, October 25, 2010 3:39:43 PM
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the bubble has already popped...you will see it clearly in 2011-2012
The utimate goal of investing is to buy low sell high;if we re-write this core equation in psychology terms it becomes buy fear sell greed.
PKoli
#7 Posted : Monday, October 25, 2010 3:41:30 PM
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sheep wrote:
the bubble has already popped...you will see it clearly in 2011-2012



Voice was saturated, I think we still have a long way to go on data
Djinn
#8 Posted : Monday, October 25, 2010 3:42:43 PM
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bird_man wrote:
@Djinn, I doubt we are going to see a bubble here.
The demand for internet is growing bigger by the day,its even there.The only problem is that suppliers are not willing to offer at an agreeable price.

I once read somewhere that we consume 4% of the cables capacity in Kenya.Now introduce BPO,Cable TV etc at affordable prices and the consumption will jump.I think its just a matter of time.....or some regulation to ensure internet is offered at a good price.


@bird_man - yes I agree demand is growing and ESPECIALLY that the providers are rather sluggish in reducing prices drastically in such a fashion that drastic reduction will CREATE demand. We must understand, at least in terms in international bandwidth, thet SCOM, AK, Zain, TKL etc have taken 5, 10 15 or 20 year IRUs with the cable operators - its like paying your house rent for 20 years....they need to recoup this money sooner rather than later...especially those that took loans to finance their operations - the longer the debt stays in the book....well, interests rates etc etc....

And I dare say I think this is where the crux of the problem might be (from SEACOM/Eassy all the way down to the telco) - they have borrowed at some point to finance the building of the cable or investment in the cable - there has been WAY too much hype about a market that will snap up the bandwidth...so they borrowed to buy in...


Now, on the other side of the market, there might, just might be demand - se my other comment - my usage since last year has not increased - its same old same old for me (same FB on mobile or PC, same gmail, same wazua/SK) - nothign much has changed in terms of content - hell, no one is even creative enough start a Kenyan porn site smile

@Bird-man - you allude to cable TV - hmmm....we have had that for eons - we do not really need internattional cables that cost billions of shillings to roll out cable tv locally - UNLESS the content is coming from other shores (in which case, whats the diff with DsTv?). KDN/Zuku are the only players thinking about content in this way (quad play - voice, data, multimedia, etc\) and want to do this on a regional level - if they can get just 500,000 homes in Kenya connected to a new service that brings 100 channels, 512kbps internet link, 100 minutes of voice on that same link - All for say Kshs 3000 - ONLY then can we see that capacity being used and only then can we avoid this bubble.

We have said data usage is growing - yes, maybe for you me, and VVS who have EDGE/GPRS/3G handsets - we make up less than 2% of all subscribers - Wanjiku out there has a "Nokia Torch" while her sister has a Nokia with Radio - they either send the same number of SMSs as before in terms of cost or send 100 times as many for the same cost (thanks to the insanity prevailing in the market among harti and Telkom - WTF needs 100 SMS per day?)
Djinn
#9 Posted : Monday, October 25, 2010 4:01:56 PM
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@bird_man - regarding BPO - we have a nascent BPO sector - yes. What has held it back (at least that is what most BPOs have been saying) has been bandwidth costs - in terms of operational cost and also in terms of what kind of BPO they can do (i.e. If a BPO operator can have a 4Mbps link - it can even do software development, animations, bulk back end office stuff etc).

So they have been moaning abt costs until the cables landed. Since around 2006/2007 their com ms costs have been subsidised by the world bank (via a grant administered by the kenya ICT Board).

Anyway, to chase the fox out into the open - by mid last year we had two cables on our shores - TEAMS and SEACOM - and this time it was the turn of operators to kvetch abt high initial investment costs (IRUs, last mile infrastructure, etc) - early this year, despite supposed low cost intl connectivity arriving, the World bank extended the period for this subsidy (I think until 2012).

Aside from kencall and one other operator, I do not think there are many people really using this subsidy to create more business or jobs - rather we might have some 10-30 man operations applying for the subsidy and well.....


so BPO? I think its more than just the cables - more needs to be done - we need to throw the doors open to big players - let then bring the big contracts - then we learn from them. Or lets serve our own (banks/airlines/utilities/telcos) - let it be either organic or wholly imported - but right now I think we're sitting on our hands...

Otherwise BPO might very well be the soapy corner of the bubble that is resplendent in colour
bird_man
#10 Posted : Monday, October 25, 2010 4:19:27 PM
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@Djinn, I now see your point and agree.For that cable to make sense perhaps 3 things need to start happening:
(1)Such a drastic cut in prices.The kind that can spur a crazy patronage by everyday consumers.In addition, new services through fibre.Hopefully this will increase demand and usage of the extra bandwidth.
(2)"Export" the cable to landlocked countries like Rwanda,UG etc and hope that they snap up the bandwidth.
(3)Concerted effort especially through the Govt to spur the BPO sector.Perhaps even a special BPO Board to drive the initiative?

The 3 need to happen almost in tandem....and for some reason I don't think such things happen easily around here.
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VituVingiSana
#11 Posted : Monday, October 25, 2010 4:30:22 PM
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@djinn - Since the price cuts I have upped my use of data. I buy Safaricom Bundle for 'fast' use + 990/week from Orange... Slower...

Sometimes, I will even jump onto free wifi at Dormans or Java...

Communications is the biggest beneficiary as 'voice' is carried as data over these cables... I am not certain but it would not surprise me that the 3/- calls to India/USA/China are carried through undersea cables... Well, part of the way...
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Djinn
#12 Posted : Monday, October 25, 2010 4:48:59 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
@djinn - Since the price cuts I have upped my use of data. I buy Safaricom Bundle for 'fast' use + 990/week from Orange... Slower...

Sometimes, I will even jump onto free wifi at Dormans or Java...

Communications is the biggest beneficiary as 'voice' is carried as data over these cables... I am not certain but it would not surprise me that the 3/- calls to India/USA/China are carried through undersea cables... Well, part of the way...


Absolutely true abt the 3 bob calls - and its sad that Uganda are dragging their feet (rather mired in some scandal relating to their terrestrial fibre - KDN has gone up to tororo and Telkom up to Malaba - but no corresponding pipe to connect to on the other side - so when you call Kampala your call goes through satellite (or microwave) - thus it costs more.


Lets look at this another way...if Safaricom were to post the same VOICE revenues in 2011...given the prices are now HALVED - they would have to double their subscriber base from abt 14m to 28m....with Zain, Yu and Orange focusing on rural areas...its very unlikely that SCOM can see 100% growth in subscribers in one year. Voice still accounts for abt 75-80% of revenues (I guess). So the next cash cow (rather calf) is data - this is a meal no one really knows how to serve but imagines everyone would like to eat.

Continued growth of mobile money may help mitigate losses to voice but there is only so far we can go with that. Only so far.

BTW has anyone used m-kesho yet?



Djinn
#13 Posted : Wednesday, March 30, 2011 3:41:49 PM
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So, looking at the two main threads dominating the Stocks section under "investor" - has the bubble burst?

Some are seeing the forest for the trees (Zuku - content and nit just the pipes). Some are content to be part of the ecosystem (Jamii) while others will spend millions trying to flog a dead horse (3G, Wimax, fibre upgrades, etc) - data is the way...but not merely the pipes...people don;t just want roads...but a place to go...some people do not want buses 3/4G), they are happy with motorbikes (gprs/USSD). So, its a minefield - on one hand if you do not place bets properly on data, you lose. if you place too much faith on data (and upgrade/invest), your ROI period is like a life sentence....

If you have obligations to investors... Eh?
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