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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/15/2006 Posts: 3,906
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Interesting reading that more managers are now chasing Equity Bank over their employee share option scheme. Perhaps, the beginning of a class action suit against a corporate in Kenya - 6 employees, doesn't look good. But I note they all left last year and ESOP was approved in AGM this year. Causes a lot of turmoil to staff holding such shares in Equity... and KenolKobil, Safaricom, AccessKenya etc? http://www.businessdailyafrica....0/-/66pq40z/-/index.html
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/15/2006 Posts: 3,906
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Oops mono... Okay, my question was if I had a choice between a bonus and the ESOP, does it make sense to pick the ESOP.
I guess if I was judicious enough, I would take the money from the bonus spend a bit and buy some 'untied' shares...
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Rank: Chief Joined: 3/24/2010 Posts: 6,779 Location: Black Africa
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I'm eager to read next weeks report on The East African ''A special report on executive compensation in Kenya'' The highest and lowest paid management and the most expensive boards of listed firms GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/15/2006 Posts: 3,906
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@youcan't right on the money, just picked a copy. Information is power; sure to cause some tiffs even in the ensconced suites.
Some of the scandalous ones that jump out: - Equity CEO appears to make 300m annum - Safaricom top 3 increased payout 300% while the other chiefs made do with 19% - KCB with at least x4 normal amount spent on board fees at 36m, followed at 29m by Equity - Foreign CEOs paid at least two times as match as local CEOs. Ditto multinational companies which generally pay much more than local ones.
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/28/2007 Posts: 13
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Problem with ESOP schemes is they may contain numerous clauses to prevent the employee from getting the shares when he or she is parting ways with the employer.
The most common is the number of years that you need to have been employed before getting the shares.
I think employees are excited about the ESOP scheme but there are alot of clauses that prevent them from deriving full benefits from it.
I think employees with existing ESOPs in place should use the Equity Bank saga as a test case to come up with 'what-if' scenarios if the same thing occurred to them like being sacked.
My thoughts...
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Rank: Chief Joined: 3/24/2010 Posts: 6,779 Location: Black Africa
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Hedges, I believe the Equity ESOP clearly says that if there is termination of employment before 'maturation', the employee does not get the full amount at the current market share. Muganda, so JM makes 25m a month!!! GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,760 Location: nairobi
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@ youcnt.. How can u ask such a weak question? No one gets paid 25m per month in Africa COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; IMH 5,000 ABP 35.55; KQ 604,200 ABP 6.96; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:@ youcnt.. How can u ask such a weak question? No one gets paid 25m per month in Africa @obiero haven't you read the thread?? @muganda said JM makes 300mn a year Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/15/2006 Posts: 3,906
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Actually I used the word 'appears to make' because based on the methodology the East African employed, annual report of Equity lists 299m as total pay for executives who site in the board of directors for 2009; as opposed to 197m for other senior executives not on the board, and 29m for total board fees for all directors.
The idea is that each individual can only fall in one of the three list. So on the list of executives who sit on the board, only James Mwangi was listed.
At face value, the 300m figure would be correct. Or perhaps there was a mistake in their computation of this figure. Hence the East Africa on leading page inserted '- 12 others' for more balance. On detailed table, things were left us in the annual report.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/8/2008 Posts: 947
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guru267 wrote:obiero wrote:@ youcnt.. How can u ask such a weak question? No one gets paid 25m per month in Africa @obiero haven't you read the thread?? @muganda said JM makes 300mn a year The article states the 300 mil is between jm and 12 others. The report however ignore the millions jm is minting from dividends since he owns more than 5 percent it could hav watered down after helios et al joined nonetheless he could stil be earning over 25 mi.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/15/2006 Posts: 3,906
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@tony stark, as per your reading, how many executives sit on the board of directors, 2009 annual report? page 31 board of directorsWhat was their total pay, 2009 annual report? page 102 note 31 (d) remuneration to executive directorshttp://www.equitybank.co.ke/Use...y_Annual_Report_2009.pdf
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/17/2008 Posts: 567 Location: Nairobi
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@mugunda is right.
1. Excecutive directors of EB were paid 299M 2. Jm is the only excecutive director in the bank.
The issue of 12 others is not in the 299M if you go by the last audited reports.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/14/2009 Posts: 2,057
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Some former managers have sued the Bank for allegedly eroding the vaalue of their shares when they left the bank. Does any Wazuan have any facts about this matter? At what value should an employee's shares be valued (in an ESOP plan) at time of departure? If you are an eagle don't hang around with chickens; chickens don't fly....
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Rank: Chief Joined: 3/24/2010 Posts: 6,779 Location: Black Africa
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The employees left before the ESOP 'matured' GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
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Rank: Chief Joined: 3/24/2010 Posts: 6,779 Location: Black Africa
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Revealed: The waning value of directors in corporate Kenya www.businessdailyafrica....8/-/9ws5xnz/-/index.htmlGOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/10/2007 Posts: 1,587
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I am not sure whether the ESOP was clearly communicated to the employees. They would not have taken EB to court if the ESOP was well outlined in the staff orders. May be some things were hidden from them
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/10/2007 Posts: 1,587
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How is the ESOP of Scangroup? It seems to be a nice since I hardly hear of guys leaving the company.
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Rank: Hello Joined: 10/11/2010 Posts: 1 Location: USA
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Hedges wrote:Problem with ESOP schemes is they may contain numerous clauses to prevent the employee from getting the shares when he or she is parting ways with the employer.
The most common is the number of years that you need to have been employed before getting the shares.
I think employees are excited about the ESOP scheme but there are alot of clauses that prevent them from deriving full benefits from it.
I think employees with existing ESOPs in place should use the Equity Bank saga as a test case to come up with 'what-if' scenarios if the same thing occurred to them like being sacked.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/4/2010 Posts: 8,977
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yuriart10 wrote:Hedges wrote:Problem with ESOP schemes is they may contain numerous clauses to prevent the employee from getting the shares when he or she is parting ways with the employer.
The most common is the number of years that you need to have been employed before getting the shares.
I think employees are excited about the ESOP scheme but there are alot of clauses that prevent them from deriving full benefits from it.
I think employees with existing ESOPs in place should use the Equity Bank saga as a test case to come up with 'what-if' scenarios if the same thing occurred to them like being sacked.
My thoughts... I also think so. Golden handcuffs. Good to look at but still handcuffs  $15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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Rank: Chief Joined: 3/24/2010 Posts: 6,779 Location: Black Africa
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CMA plans changes to lift the veil on executive pay www.businessdailyafrica....2/-/48qf1vz/-/index.htmlGOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
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