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muganda
#1 Posted : Thursday, September 23, 2010 12:55:03 PM
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Interesting reading that more managers are now chasing Equity Bank over their employee share option scheme.

Perhaps, the beginning of a class action suit against a corporate in Kenya - 6 employees, doesn't look good. But I note they all left last year and ESOP was approved in AGM this year.

Causes a lot of turmoil to staff holding such shares in Equity... and KenolKobil, Safaricom, AccessKenya etc?

http://www.businessdailyafrica....0/-/66pq40z/-/index.html
muganda
#2 Posted : Thursday, September 23, 2010 7:12:29 PM
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Oops mono... Okay, my question was if I had a choice between a bonus and the ESOP, does it make sense to pick the ESOP.

I guess if I was judicious enough, I would take the money from the bonus spend a bit and buy some 'untied' shares...

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#3 Posted : Saturday, September 25, 2010 10:36:20 AM
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I'm eager to read next weeks report on The East African ''A special report on executive compensation in Kenya'' The highest and lowest paid management and the most expensive boards of listed firms
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muganda
#4 Posted : Saturday, September 25, 2010 5:43:45 PM
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@youcan't right on the money, just picked a copy. Information is power; sure to cause some tiffs even in the ensconced suites.

Some of the scandalous ones that jump out:
- Equity CEO appears to make 300m annum
- Safaricom top 3 increased payout 300% while the other chiefs made do with 19%
- KCB with at least x4 normal amount spent on board fees at 36m, followed at 29m by Equity
- Foreign CEOs paid at least two times as match as local CEOs. Ditto multinational companies which generally pay much more than local ones.
Hedges
#5 Posted : Saturday, September 25, 2010 6:50:49 PM
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Problem with ESOP schemes is they may contain numerous clauses to prevent the employee from getting the shares when he or she is parting ways with the employer.

The most common is the number of years that you need to have been employed before getting the shares.

I think employees are excited about the ESOP scheme but there are alot of clauses that prevent them from deriving full benefits from it.

I think employees with existing ESOPs in place should use the Equity Bank saga as a test case to come up with 'what-if' scenarios if the same thing occurred to them like being sacked.

My thoughts...
youcan'tstopusnow
#6 Posted : Saturday, September 25, 2010 8:37:17 PM
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Hedges, I believe the Equity ESOP clearly says that if there is termination of employment before 'maturation', the employee does not get the full amount at the current market share. Muganda, so JM makes 25m a month!!!
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obiero
#7 Posted : Saturday, September 25, 2010 11:24:47 PM
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@ youcnt.. How can u ask such a weak question? No one gets paid 25m per month in Africa

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#8 Posted : Sunday, September 26, 2010 8:53:20 PM
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obiero wrote:
@ youcnt.. How can u ask such a weak question? No one gets paid 25m per month in Africa

@obiero haven't you read the thread?? @muganda said JM makes 300mn a year
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muganda
#9 Posted : Monday, September 27, 2010 11:35:07 AM
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Actually I used the word 'appears to make' because based on the methodology the East African employed, annual report of Equity lists 299m as total pay for executives who site in the board of directors for 2009; as opposed to 197m for other senior executives not on the board, and 29m for total board fees for all directors.

The idea is that each individual can only fall in one of the three list. So on the list of executives who sit on the board, only James Mwangi was listed.

At face value, the 300m figure would be correct. Or perhaps there was a mistake in their computation of this figure. Hence the East Africa on leading page inserted '- 12 others' for more balance. On detailed table, things were left us in the annual report.


tony stark
#10 Posted : Monday, September 27, 2010 12:03:18 PM
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guru267 wrote:
obiero wrote:
@ youcnt.. How can u ask such a weak question? No one gets paid 25m per month in Africa

@obiero haven't you read the thread?? @muganda said JM makes 300mn a year

The article states the
300 mil is between jm and 12 others. The report however ignore the millions jm is minting from dividends since he owns more than 5 percent it could hav watered down after helios et al joined nonetheless he could stil be earning over 25 mi.
muganda
#11 Posted : Monday, September 27, 2010 12:29:50 PM
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@tony stark, as per your reading, how many executives sit on the board of directors, 2009 annual report?
page 31 board of directors

What was their total pay, 2009 annual report?
page 102 note 31 (d) remuneration to executive directors
http://www.equitybank.co.ke/Use...y_Annual_Report_2009.pdf
Pablo
#12 Posted : Monday, September 27, 2010 4:09:41 PM
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@mugunda is right.

1. Excecutive directors of EB were paid 299M
2. Jm is the only excecutive director in the bank.

The issue of 12 others is not in the 299M if you go by the last audited reports.
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#13 Posted : Tuesday, September 28, 2010 8:44:16 AM
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Some former managers have sued the Bank for allegedly eroding the vaalue of their shares when they left the bank. Does any Wazuan have any facts about this matter? At what value should an employee's shares be valued (in an ESOP plan) at time of departure?Liar Liar
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#14 Posted : Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:39:00 AM
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The employees left before the ESOP 'matured'
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#15 Posted : Sunday, October 10, 2010 9:21:16 PM
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Revealed: The waning value of directors in corporate Kenya www.businessdailyafrica....8/-/9ws5xnz/-/index.html
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PKoli
#16 Posted : Sunday, October 10, 2010 11:03:36 PM
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I am not sure whether the ESOP was clearly communicated to the employees. They would not have taken EB to court if the ESOP was well outlined in the staff orders. May be some things were hidden from them
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#17 Posted : Sunday, October 10, 2010 11:46:20 PM
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How is the ESOP of Scangroup? It seems to be a nice since I hardly hear of guys leaving the company.
yuriart10
#18 Posted : Monday, October 11, 2010 8:00:50 AM
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Hedges wrote:
Problem with ESOP schemes is they may contain numerous clauses to prevent the employee from getting the shares when he or she is parting ways with the employer.

The most common is the number of years that you need to have been employed before getting the shares.

I think employees are excited about the ESOP scheme but there are alot of clauses that prevent them from deriving full benefits from it.

I think employees with existing ESOPs in place should use the Equity Bank saga as a test case to come up with 'what-if' scenarios if the same thing occurred to them like being sacked.

My thoughts...


I also think so.


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#19 Posted : Monday, October 11, 2010 12:55:43 PM
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yuriart10 wrote:
Hedges wrote:
Problem with ESOP schemes is they may contain numerous clauses to prevent the employee from getting the shares when he or she is parting ways with the employer.

The most common is the number of years that you need to have been employed before getting the shares.

I think employees are excited about the ESOP scheme but there are alot of clauses that prevent them from deriving full benefits from it.

I think employees with existing ESOPs in place should use the Equity Bank saga as a test case to come up with 'what-if' scenarios if the same thing occurred to them like being sacked.

My thoughts...


I also think so.



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#20 Posted : Tuesday, October 12, 2010 11:53:38 PM
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CMA plans changes to lift the veil on executive pay www.businessdailyafrica....2/-/48qf1vz/-/index.html
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