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Dumb investor...Thats me....KCB at 32.25
Gems
#1 Posted : Tuesday, June 22, 2010 7:59:20 AM
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I Bought 5,000 KCB at 32.35 then an additional 5,000 at 27, well i don't really understands stocks investments other than you buy low and sell when price goes up. I guess i was dumber to think Dyer and Blair will be investing my money wisely, I was not on top of it as i should have. What would you smart investors do if you were me? I realize now that i have lost big time..Help please! Please don't make me feel any worse than i am feeling already..Advise please.

Others were Kenya-Re 5,000 at 14 and safaricom 19,000 at 7.35. I blame my broker for making some moves without my authorization and i don't know if they seem the best at the time but how could they have spent most of my money when the stock seemed to be at its highest price and since never gone higher? please advise...Thanks
aom5ster
#2 Posted : Tuesday, June 22, 2010 9:45:55 AM
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Dumb investor. I am also dumb but can share something..I bought Safaricom at over 7 also and access Kenya at 35. But What I did with Safaricom is to keep on buying as the prices went down i.e. dilute the cost. I bought some safaricom shares at 3 and my current cost average is 4.35 meaning that if I sell now as I plan to, I will make a profit even though I dumbly bought at 7. My average of Access Kenya is now 21.62 from a purchase of 35. When Access Kenya starts trading Xd, the price will fall to below 15 and I will buy more to reduce that average to below 20. After that prices will go up and I can then sell.
For KCB if you have money, start buying, you could dilute your price and hold for a year or so. But if you are scared sell and get out before you loose further. But then you will lock the loss. If I were you and had some, I will simply buy. I had ordered some KCB shares at 20, but when they announced the split I cancelled. I plan to take my rights and buy more at 15
Govmusili
#3 Posted : Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:03:29 AM
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damn i thought i was dumb 4 buying kq @54, the rights issue should reduce kcb price u should add more @ 18 and bring down ur avrge cost
jguru
#4 Posted : Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:12:04 AM
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For someone to make money in the market, someone has to lose money. Sad
Set out to correct the world's wrongs and you will most certainly wind up adding to them.
sheep
#5 Posted : Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:15:03 AM
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You have to learn to earn..

Buy or download a book called THE INTELLIGENT INVESTOR by Ben Graham.

Make sure you read it as many times as it takes to capture the investing concepts.

Then make your intelligent move.
The utimate goal of investing is to buy low sell high;if we re-write this core equation in psychology terms it becomes buy fear sell greed.
the deal
#6 Posted : Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:24:21 AM
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Govmusili wrote:
damn i thought i was dumb 4 buying kq @54, the rights issue should reduce kcb price u should add more @ 18 and bring down ur avrge cost

U r not dump...are u aware that there r pple i.e centum who bought KQ at 140 bob...
My 2 cents
#7 Posted : Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:41:11 AM
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Gems wrote:
I Bought 5,000 KCB at 32.35 then an additional 5,000 at 27, well i don't really understands stocks investments other than you buy low and sell when price goes up. I guess i was dumber to think Dyer and Blair will be investing my money wisely, I was not on top of it as i should have. What would you smart investors do if you were me? I realize now that i have lost big time..Help please! Please don't make me feel any worse than i am feeling already..Advise please.

Others were Kenya-Re 5,000 at 14 and safaricom 19,000 at 7.35. I blame my broker for making some moves without my authorization and i don't know if they seem the best at the time but how could they have spent most of my money when the stock seemed to be at its highest price and since never gone higher? please advise...Thanks

You seem to have made all your investments at once when the market was high. Use shilling cost averaging i.e buy shares at regular intervals so that when the market is low you buy more share and when the market is high your money affords fewer shares. That way you average the cost of the shares over a duration. I bought some SCom shares at 7.2 and felt pretty dumb. Then when the price got to 2.8, I invested heavily in the same company (I did not shy away from the previous loss). This has paid off handsomely. Continue buying shares on a regular basis and hold for the long term preferably.
kizee
#8 Posted : Tuesday, June 22, 2010 11:09:31 AM
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Use shilling cost averaging i.e buy shares at regular intervals so that when the market is low you buy more share and when the market is high your money affords fewer shares. That way you average the cost of the shares over a duration. I bought some SCom shares at 7.2 and felt pretty dumb. Then when the price got to 2.8, I invested heavily in the same company (I did not shy away from the previous loss). This has paid off handsomely. Continue buying shares on a regular basis and hold for the long term preferably.



this is questionable advice at best...shilling cost averaging is what got him into this problem...i advise that in future you set what are known as stop loss and take profit levels...for instance you bot scom at 7.2...u shud be looking to sell it at say 13.2 as ur take profit level and also look to sell same stock at 4.2 as your stop loss...NEVER EVER average...averaging is adding good money to bad..treat each buy as a different position/trade
The Merchant
#9 Posted : Tuesday, June 22, 2010 11:16:10 AM
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@Gems.... sorry for your troubles. However I agree with most of the posts here and I think they can be summarised as follows;
1. The shares you bought are only trading lower but they are still yours. If you are liquid buy them at an even lower price to bring down your average buying price.
2. Take charge of your investing buy studying a little more. The intelligent investor by Ben Graham is definately a good recommendation. Also study technical analysis as this is not a perfect market(none is, maybe only the forex market).
3. Change your broker. No offence but Dyer and Blair are THE WORST nad they do not care. Rather even work with a small broker.

All the best sir!
The Merchant
#10 Posted : Tuesday, June 22, 2010 11:17:34 AM
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@ gems -Lots of spelling errors but hope you get the point(typing fast Im at work)
Gems
#11 Posted : Tuesday, June 22, 2010 11:37:09 AM
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Thanks everyone for the kind advise, words and encouragement..I thought i will be getting some rough treatment but you have all been extremely nice and i have learnt a lot from you ALL.
@The Merchant,"All the best sir!" i am a chick..thanks though for your advise too..I understood them very well with the one or two typos.
I appreciate you guys alot
Gems
#12 Posted : Tuesday, June 22, 2010 11:41:17 AM
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@The merchant, DO you know of any small broker you can recommend. I am diasporan, hope its someone that i would be able to get hold of easily by phone or email. That has been a challenge, not getting prompt response from my current broker.
The Merchant
#13 Posted : Tuesday, June 22, 2010 11:42:40 AM
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@gems... You are welcome,madam!
My 2 cents
#14 Posted : Tuesday, June 22, 2010 11:54:55 AM
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kizee wrote:
Use shilling cost averaging i.e buy shares at regular intervals so that when the market is low you buy more share and when the market is high your money affords fewer shares. That way you average the cost of the shares over a duration. I bought some SCom shares at 7.2 and felt pretty dumb. Then when the price got to 2.8, I invested heavily in the same company (I did not shy away from the previous loss). This has paid off handsomely. Continue buying shares on a regular basis and hold for the long term preferably.



this is questionable advice at best...shilling cost averaging is what got him into this problem...i advise that in future you set what are known as stop loss and take profit levels...for instance you bot scom at 7.2...u shud be looking to sell it at say 13.2 as ur take profit level and also look to sell same stock at
4.2 as your stop loss...NEVER EVER average...averaging is adding good money to bad..treat each buy as a different position/trade


Pray tell how shilling cost averaging got him in this problem? He does not say that he has been buying shares over a period; but rather at a single point.

I am assuming that he is interesting in the long term approach rather than the short term speculations that you propose. If you think a share is solid and of good value and priced favourably by the market, you should be happy to buy even more at lower prices. If a share is a dud, hen it should of course be dumped, not averaged down. (Simple common sense)
sheep
#15 Posted : Tuesday, June 22, 2010 11:58:05 AM
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The best brokers are Africa alliance,Genghis and Apex.
The utimate goal of investing is to buy low sell high;if we re-write this core equation in psychology terms it becomes buy fear sell greed.
Gems
#16 Posted : Tuesday, June 22, 2010 12:07:35 PM
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My 2 cents wrote:
Gems wrote:
I Bought 5,000 KCB at 32.35 then an additional 5,000 at 27, well i don't really understands stocks investments other than you buy low and sell when price goes up. I guess i was dumber to think Dyer and Blair will be investing my money wisely, I was not on top of it as i should have. What would you smart investors do if you were me? I realize now that i have lost big time..Help please! Please don't make me feel any worse than i am feeling already..Advise please.

Others were Kenya-Re 5,000 at 14 and safaricom 19,000 at 7.35. I blame my broker for making some moves without my authorization and i don't know if they seem the best at the time but how could they have spent most of my money when the stock seemed to be at its highest price and since never gone higher? please advise...Thanks

You seem to have made all your investments at once when the market was high. Use shilling cost averaging i.e buy shares at regular intervals so that when the market is low you buy more share and when the market is high your money affords fewer shares. That way you average the cost of the shares over a duration. I bought some SCom shares at 7.2 and felt pretty dumb. Then when the price got to 2.8, I invested heavily in the same company (I did not shy away from the previous loss). This has paid off handsomely. Continue buying shares on a regular basis and hold for the long term preferably.


Yeah, My broker seem to have been buying when the stock was at its highest..I don't know how D&B do business generally but i would receive email telling me to invest the money sitting in the account in such and such, I thgt the broker was working for me and i would just say 'YES'. Later on i realized i must have been very unlucky or plain dumb. Anyway, I learnt from it and from you wonderful people and i think i will trade responsibly next time.

Gems
#17 Posted : Tuesday, June 22, 2010 12:11:08 PM
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sheep wrote:
The best brokers are Africa alliance,Genghis and Apex.


@Sheep, thanks..
The Merchant
#18 Posted : Tuesday, June 22, 2010 12:23:53 PM
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@ GEMS.....Nobody ever mentions Drummond Investment Bank here but I believe they are great. They even send weekly share reports and respond to emails promptly. They also alert you when they suspect you may be making a wrong move in buying a particular stock.I would recommend them.
sheep
#19 Posted : Tuesday, June 22, 2010 12:36:18 PM
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The Merchant wrote:
@ GEMS.....Nobody ever mentions Drummond Investment Bank here but I believe they are great. They even send weekly share reports and respond to emails promptly. They also alert you when they suspect you may be making a wrong move in buying a particular stock.I would recommend them.


ati what!!! If any broker questions my move I wud promptly move ...do not rely on your broker for anything other than fast execution of orders...I own the money
The utimate goal of investing is to buy low sell high;if we re-write this core equation in psychology terms it becomes buy fear sell greed.
kizee
#20 Posted : Tuesday, June 22, 2010 12:48:46 PM
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@ 2 cents

Bought 5,000 KCB at 32.35 then an additional 5,000 at 27-nini hii?

if indeed you are invseting for the long term averaging is actually the worst method because it ties up your money...it thus makes ur trading less effective in the long run because you miss out on oppurtunities...so what happens if the stock hits zero? what do avreagers do in such an example...please name 5 prominent investors or traders who advocate for averaging...i will wait
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