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kenya RE full yr profits
mypesa
#1 Posted : Thursday, April 15, 2010 5:31:05 PM
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guys any idea for the big date..normally they announce before end of april.am expecting a rise from last yrs
this week hit a max of 14bob
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Horton
#2 Posted : Thursday, April 15, 2010 5:36:15 PM
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read somewhere 20th april 2010.
cnn
#3 Posted : Thursday, April 15, 2010 5:50:16 PM
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They better be good.I have a ton in there.
PKoli
#4 Posted : Thursday, April 15, 2010 6:27:07 PM
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Growth has been consistently good. I read analysis report from Faida securities and they were pegging price at about 21 after 3rd quarter results.

Me thinks they share will be in the range of 18-20. With expected eps of 2.5 or thereabouts, it should not be trading in the sub 20 region. Obviously assuming the current noise about the CEO business dies.

Anything below 15 should be a good buy.

@cnn; I am sure you must be having half a million shares! when you say half a tone. Based on lat years' dividend yiled, this yr, you should smile all the way.
Horton
#5 Posted : Thursday, April 15, 2010 7:56:07 PM
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u do know that their monopoly ends this year right?
VituVingiSana
#6 Posted : Thursday, April 15, 2010 9:25:02 PM
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Not all gains will be recurring...
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Horton
#7 Posted : Friday, April 16, 2010 3:52:40 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Not all gains will be recurring...



oh yeah thats right, last year they had a "property reevaluation of 565m which boosted their profits. on the plus side for them, they have moved away from marine insurance.... they seriously need to adopt a geico type of deal!

guru267
#8 Posted : Friday, April 16, 2010 6:02:23 AM
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i flew big time into this counter at 12.5bob so i'm hoping their results are good... though anyone expecting VERY good dividends may be disappointed since the company is looking to boost their capital adequacy ratios to venture more into the life business... i'm looking for a dividend of 60-80cents or a bonus issue

Faida's target price of 21bob was for the end of 2011 though i expect it much sooner since the stock is trading way below the sector P/E...

i'm looking for a profit growth of 13%-17% for 2009 but this is set to improve with the growth of their life business, drive to improve underwritng profitability and venturing into more liquid investments....

S&P expects results to be announced on 20th April
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Scubidu
#9 Posted : Friday, April 16, 2010 10:08:01 AM
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Actually the target price was revised upwards to 23 according to their weekly report. they surely have the earnings for a bonus, sounds like the best course of action. I don't understand y the mandatory cessions shud be removed, what was the reason for that?

Just talked to a tech analyst at Dyer looking at weekly shifts in price. tells me of major resistence at 14, but strong momentum. He tells me he put a fib retracement on Kenya Re at the lowest swing low of 7.50, said wud go to a high of 14.65, then back to 9.20 then break to 16.00...18.05 at the most, no timeline...he's a reliable guy;

i don't know much tech but he says using classic chart patterns, there seems to be a 'cup and handle' pattern forming on Kenya Re with a breakout at 15.00...damn what does that all mean?
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guru267
#10 Posted : Friday, April 16, 2010 10:40:33 AM
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@scubidu i think the cessions will be removed to promote fair competition for market....

as for the price your broker is very right... there is heavy resistance at 14bob because there was HUGE buying at 7.5-10...

but i do not agree with the price falling back to 9.20 unless the bears return to the NSE...

as for the cup and handle... he is so right this is a classic example and the breakout at 15 means that the price will rally if it hits 15 due to limited supply after heavy buying between 12.5-13.5

http://www.investopedia....erms/c/cupandhandle.asp

compare the example to this
http://investing.busines...pshot.asp?ticker=KNRE:KN
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VituVingiSana
#11 Posted : Friday, April 16, 2010 11:12:41 AM
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@scubidu - Warren Buffet says... if it sounds too complicated... be very wary... I think WB is a far better/smarter investor than anyone at D&B
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
sheep
#12 Posted : Friday, April 16, 2010 1:25:47 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
@scubidu - Warren Buffet says... if it sounds too complicated... be very wary... I think WB is a far better/smarter investor than anyone at D&B


True,a lot of the technical mumbo jumbo will waste u big time....just go with the simple stuff..and don't listen to your broker,they suck!!!
The utimate goal of investing is to buy low sell high;if we re-write this core equation in psychology terms it becomes buy fear sell greed.
Scubidu
#13 Posted : Friday, April 16, 2010 1:38:43 PM
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okay. but what happens when the fundamentals say one thing...like Kenya Re should be trading higher...but the price aint rising. In that case tech may be the only thing u can rely on...
“We are the middle children of history man, no purpose or place. We have no great war, no great depression. Our great war is a spiritual war, our great depression is our lives!" – Tyler Durden
guru267
#14 Posted : Friday, April 16, 2010 2:07:21 PM
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@scubidu fundamentals always prevail in the end... so if you sense market inefficiency in kenya re you should be bold and buy more...

technical analysis only gives you indications of entry and exit points for stocks currency and the like hence its only beneficial to traders...

so if you are invested for more than six months on anything technical analysis becomes very irrelevant...
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Chaka
#15 Posted : Friday, April 16, 2010 2:22:38 PM
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How comes this counter has today all of a sudden traded 1,023,100 shares?
guru267
#16 Posted : Friday, April 16, 2010 2:46:02 PM
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@chaka results are supposed to be out on tuesday so people are obviously taking positions in the stock... it has traded more than 700k shares per day the whole week..,..
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VituVingiSana
#17 Posted : Friday, April 16, 2010 5:23:25 PM
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Not too long ago... some folks called Warren Buffet a burnt-out jamaa... Then when the DOW/NASDAQ/S&P crashed... his picks came out as solid...

As @guru says... ultimately, the fundamentals win out... I have hardly made money in trading so I prefer the long-hauls... I am not always right but I am looking for undervalued stuff...

I am a huge WB fan & stick to a few counters rather than all over the board. My serious holdings are less than 10... The top 5 of these are over 75% of the total...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Kesh!
#18 Posted : Saturday, April 17, 2010 12:01:05 AM
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The way am seein things, takin a quick look at this thread, there are quite a number of optimistic guys on kenya-re. Assuming this optimism is replicated in many other forums, I c patience may be needed for long timers. coz if this results are as good as anticipated and the way guys have taken positions (hata mimi i hv my small chunk)! the expectations on this stock may be its undoing in the short run esp speculators. We could have the impatient broken hearted especially if the expectation are half as much as za safcom where crazy people (i almost included) all expected it to jump to 50 bob week 1. I expect volatility from massive selling when substantial gains are made especially from 16 bob..itakuwa kalongolongo.. but the 'real' gainers will be those who exit after dust has settled o those who dispose in small chunks as they survey situation. But thats just one of th many likely scenarios (hopefuli am wrong n by next friday we r on 20bob a share na watu waanze kuponyoka na pickups!). Having said tht,if possible wakipatiana dividend ya 50cents to 80 cents n bonus share,that wont b bad.lakini tym will tell. What's ur take on my 2 cents..any1?

Ps: N forgive my word typin..am doin it frm a phone.
sheep
#19 Posted : Saturday, April 17, 2010 10:50:08 AM
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This is a stock for my speculation account...I wont touch unless it breaks the pivotal point of kes 20
The utimate goal of investing is to buy low sell high;if we re-write this core equation in psychology terms it becomes buy fear sell greed.
cnn
#20 Posted : Saturday, April 17, 2010 11:23:02 AM
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The boardroom noise i believe has held it back this week.
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