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ACCK : good Revenue Poor Profit
stock.enigma
#1 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2010 11:03:48 AM
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Acc K just released results with massive jump in revenues but 23% drop in profit. What direction do you think the share will take in the next few weeks before books close on 5th may?
guru267
#2 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2010 11:14:27 AM
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@stock.enigma
check out the financials because if the profit was lower due to high and increased investment expenditure then this will still be viewed positively, and coupled with a great jump in revenues and a reasonable divi payout there may be positive outlook for the share price....

but judging by the very sticky nature of the share price at 20-21 i wouldnt expect too much if i were you...
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muganda
#3 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2010 12:01:40 PM
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If my maths is correct, the PE of this share is now hovering at the 27 level. Quite high considering they're now erroding shareholder value.

Clear direction of the shareprice in the near future
guru267
#4 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2010 12:16:08 PM
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@muganda look at the financials properly not only (EPS)... you'll then realise that the share price may not act in the way you think....
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muganda
#5 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2010 12:23:16 PM
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@guru267, pray elaborate.

I see growth but also see pressure on the unsustainable margin. And I also see tapering of the rate of growth from prior years. And a milestone around the business in the name of IT.

EBITDA grew by 10% and cash generated from operations only 7% up. But the pricing multiple still reflects exuberance of past years.

Did shareholders finally receive past year dividend? And has dividend now declined from 0.40 to 0.30 per share?
guru267
#6 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2010 12:38:16 PM
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@muganda how is it possible to forsee tapered growth with all their investments in the data space???

please post the link to the financial results if it is legal...
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muganda
#7 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2010 12:44:21 PM
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guru267 wrote:
please post the link to the financial results if it is legal...


smile http://www.nse.co.ke/new...0FOR%202010%20FINAL.pdf

I say tapered growth because this year revenue grew 26%, prior year it grew 75%, year before that it grew 75% (with consolidation)
VituVingiSana
#8 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2010 1:20:03 PM
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AK faces immense competition from safcom...
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2012
#9 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2010 1:27:49 PM
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I think Access need to rethink their strategy especially pricing. Their products are still expensive while there's competition offering the same for much less. In the area I live everyone is on ZUKU. KDN have already laid their cable too not forgetting Safaricom. There's this argument that safaricom is unreliable and as true as that is, it always seems to work in safcom's favour, don't know how but it does. Access watch out for Safaricom Business.

BBI will solve it
:)
stock.enigma
#10 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2010 1:38:49 PM
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Depreciation expense went up by 114%. This explains to some extent the drop in net profit. this appears to be a clever way to reduce tax burdern.
2012
#11 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2010 1:53:33 PM
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stock.enigma wrote:
Depreciation expense went up by 114%. This explains to some extent the drop in net profit. this appears to be a clever way to reduce tax burdern.


I think the shift from heavy reliance on satellite to fiber could justify this.

BBI will solve it
:)
reithi
#12 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2010 6:19:08 PM
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I have said it before, and will say it again. ACCK is overhyped. A close scrutiny of the results reveals margins are following rapidly.

Market fundamentals in its CORE business does not look rosy considering stiff competition especially from mobile companies, which have superior infrastructure and financial resources.

Competition also comes with price equation which is increasingly becoming skewed against ACCK.

Redemption will only come with diversification.
sparkly
#13 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2010 8:31:41 PM
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stock.enigma wrote:
...This explains to some extent the drop in net profit. this appears to be a clever way to reduce tax burdern.

Not true since depreciation is not a tax deductible expense. The company will however benefit from a tax deduction for amounts spent on access to the cable and on the associated software.
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VituVingiSana
#14 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2010 8:40:41 PM
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sparkly wrote:
stock.enigma wrote:
...This explains to some extent the drop in net profit. this appears to be a clever way to reduce tax burdern.

Not true since depreciation is not a tax deductible expense. The company will however benefit from a tax deduction for amounts spent on access to the cable and on the associated software.

Depreciation (under certain conditions) is allowable for tax purposes i.e. used to reduce taxable income...
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sparkly
#15 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2010 8:57:47 PM
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Kenyan internet is still in its infancy. The cable is here, next... local content is going to explode, you will need the net to buy, to sell, to access your money, file tax returns, access public services, communicate, learn, take exams, be entertained, the net will be a necessity rather than a luxury. The net cake will be huge. Access and safaricom are just ways of taking you there. One is a taxi, the other a bus. I am no IT expert but the way i see it both saf and access stand to make good money. If access is well run and can maintain top management, a monied suitor will come calling soon and investors stand to gain huge.
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sparkly
#16 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2010 9:01:37 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
stock.enigma wrote:
...This explains to some extent the drop in net profit. this appears to be a clever way to reduce tax burdern.

Not true since depreciation is not a tax deductible expense. The company will however benefit from a tax deduction for amounts spent on access to the cable and on the associated software.

Depreciation (under certain conditions) is allowable for tax purposes i.e. used to reduce taxable income...

@vvs how?
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the deal
#17 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2010 9:28:13 PM
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@sparkly well said...technology is the future and Africa is still verry far behind the digital age so theres still lots of potential here...AK has made huge investment in itself so lets see wait and see how the half year results play out...i think a clear picture on the way foward will be revealed then...
VituVingiSana
#18 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2010 10:51:08 PM
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@sparkly - Its allowed under Kenya's tax laws... It is not a 'science' where I can prove a theorem...

The best I can do is to refer you to a knowledgeable accountant in Kenya...
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Nyquist
#19 Posted : Tuesday, March 23, 2010 4:44:23 AM
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sparkly wrote:
Kenyan internet is still in its infancy. The cable is here, next... local content is going to explode, you will need the net to buy, to sell, to access your money, file tax returns, access public services, communicate, learn, take exams, be entertained, the net will be a necessity rather than a luxury. The net cake will be huge. Access and safaricom are just ways of taking you there. One is a taxi, the other a bus. I am no IT expert but the way i see it both saf and access stand to make good money. If access is well run and can maintain top management, a monied suitor will come calling soon and investors stand to gain huge.


I definitely agree with sparkly. We are barely scratching the surface on broadband connectivity in Kenya. I say if you own AK, hold on tight for a few more years. In terms of share appreciation, AK will do better that SCOM. SCOM is too diluted.
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#20 Posted : Tuesday, March 23, 2010 6:49:19 AM
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I have said it before, and I will not tire to say it again. Purchase of Openview was an expensive and misplaced investment.
Somen seemed to agree in his statement - the IT business has very small margins.
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