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Rank: Member Joined: 5/26/2009 Posts: 326 Location: Nairobi
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AKOWALLY,
Allow me to digress from the juicy post. My attention was drawn to your signature: Acts 2,38. Refer also to Acts 8:16 and Acts 10:48.
Christ disciples baptized believers in 'The Name of Jesus Christ'.
Why do present day baptizers do it in the name of the father(whose father), the son (which son) and holy ghost????
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/20/2008 Posts: 1,126 Location: Nairobi
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@ Wa P
 Thanks a lot for taking notice to my signature. That is why I put it there in the first place.
I take my convictions strictly from the Bible and not from church rituals. Thus (from the Bible) baptism should only be in the name of Jesus Christ, as you have seen from the two posts.
From Acts 2.38 you can see that emphasis is also put on repentance. Most people want to be baptized without undergoing true repentance. This is the tough bit because one needs to radically deal with sin and undergo ONE BAPTISM (Ephesians 4.3-6)not sijui infant baptism, baptism after classes, confirmation and then getting saved, backsliding and getting saved once again. Baptism should be strictly upon repentance and having a lifetime commitment to Jesus.
I like the fact that you have emphasized on the use of the name of Jesus Christ.
I recommend also the book The Name by Franklin Graham which has interesting insights on THE NAME.
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/28/2009 Posts: 290
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Wa P, Good observation! May i add that what Acts 2:38 records is a strong affirmation by Peter that “there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12). Being baptized in the name of Jesus indicates an understanding by the person being baptized that Christ is the Savior. Christian baptism is also in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (Matthew 28:19). Being baptized in this manner simply means we are identifying ourselves with the Trinity. We belong to the Father, are saved by the Son, and indwelt by the Spirit. This is similar to how we pray in Jesus’ name (John 14:13). If we pray in the name of Jesus, we are praying with His authority and asking God the Father to act upon our prayers because we come in the name of His Son, Jesus. Being baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is being baptized in identification with them and their power over and in our lives. Jesus Himself specifically tells us to baptize “in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” (Matthew 28:19). Hope that helps ,God Bless. For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous. Romans 5:19
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/6/2007 Posts: 1,177 Location: Nairobi - Kenya
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@Ja-kom thank you for the clarification... When you hear what I say, you will not understand. When you see what I do, you will not comprehend
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/19/2008 Posts: 1,267
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http://www.carm.org/ques...ly-spirit-or-name-jesus
The proper form of baptism is in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as Jesus designated in Matt. 28:19, "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit." The clear command of Jesus is to baptize this way. But, if that is so, then why do we see so many instances in the New Testament where people were baptized "in Jesus' name"?
Acts 2:38, "And Peter said to them, 'Repent, and let each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."
Acts 10:48, "And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days."
Acts 19:5, "And when they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus."
The reason they were baptizing "in the name of Jesus" is not because it was a formula, but because the phrase, "in the name of" means "in the authority of. We can see proof of this in Acts 4:7-10,
"And when they had placed them in the center, they began to inquire, 'By what power, or in what name, have you done this?' 8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, 'Rulers and elders of the people, 9 if we are on trial today for a benefit done to a sick man, as to how this man has been made well, 10 let it be known to all of you, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by this name this man stands here before you in good health.'"
The Jews asked "by what power, or in what name, have you done this?" Peter answers and says that it was in the name of Jesus that they had healed. In other words, "in the name of Jesus" means that it is by the power and authority found in Christ. We can see this usage many places in the New Testament.
Acts 3:6 "But Peter said, "I do not possess silver and gold, but what I do have I give to you: In the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene - walk!"
Acts 16:18, And she continued doing this for many days. But Paul was greatly annoyed, and turned and said to the spirit, "I command you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her!" And it came out at that very moment."
1 Cor. 5:4-5, "In the name of our Lord Jesus, when you are assembled, and I with you in spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus, 5 I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus."
1 Cor. 6:11, "And such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Spirit of our God."
Eph. 5:20, "always giving thanks for all things in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ to God, even the Father."
2 Thess. 3:6, "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep aloof from every brother who leads an unruly life and not according to the tradition which you received from us."
As you can see, "in the name of the Lord Jesus" and "in the name of Jesus" speaks of "in the authority of Jesus." Therefore, when someone is properly baptized, they are baptized in the name of Jesus; that is, by the authority of Jesus. Therefore, when they are properly baptized in the name of Jesus, they should say, "I baptize you in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit," just as Jesus commanded us to do.Isaiah 65:17-Look! I am creating new heavens and a new earth, and no one will even think about the old ones anymore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/7/2007 Posts: 2,182
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Good people, may i also chip in, firstly there is nothing like trinity, thats a false doctrine. 2nd, the father son or whatever is not a name, these are titles. The only true baptism is in the name of the lord jesus christ, other than that its a false baptism. LOVE WHAT YOU DO, DO WHAT YOU LOVE.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Hello people! Some of these things are man made. Even Jesus himself warned people about it.
In Mathew 15:8, Jesus says; "those people just respect me only in the mouth. They're worshipping for nothing. They teach the teachings of human beings". For example christmas, nowhere did God taught about it. Absolutely nowhere!
But the teacher of all this is Paul. See Acts of Apostles 26:26. Paul tells the people "...I will make you and those who are here Christians like me." He never said "I'll make you christians like jesus". You wnat to know when did Paul start preaching these things? Acts of Apostles 11:26.
Remember it's him who said "the laws that cam before him are old and useless". Phew, even Jesus himself said "I've come not to bring anything new but to fulfill the laws that came before me."
People you must wake up and seek the truth. God never does anything unless through his messengers, see Amos 3:7.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/30/2009 Posts: 1,390
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Nice topic.for even after being a born again christian for 10yrs, i havnt fully grasped the doctrine of the trinity.But i guess that's why we call it a mystery.it's not rationalisable or fathomable in human terms. @alphdot you're misleading us.Paul said 'follow me as I follow Christ'.that is what being xtian is all about What a wicked man I am!The things I want to do,I don't do.The things I don't want to do I find myself doing
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/6/2007 Posts: 1,177 Location: Nairobi - Kenya
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@ alpha which version of the bible have you quoted ACTS 26:26? mine reads: 'For the king knoweth of these things, before whom also I speak freely: for I am persuaded that none of these things are hidden from him; for this thing was not done in a corner.' When you hear what I say, you will not understand. When you see what I do, you will not comprehend
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/28/2009 Posts: 290
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The Trinity is a concept that is impossible for any human being to fully understand, let alone explain. God is infinitely greater than we are; therefore, we should not expect to be able to fully understand Him. The Bible teaches that the Father is God, that Jesus is God, and that the Holy Spirit is God. The Bible also teaches that there is only one God. Though we can understand some facts about the relationship of the different Persons of the Trinity to one another, ultimately, it is a difficult concept to the human mind. However, this does not mean the Trinity is not true or that it is not based on the teachings of the Bible. The members of the Trinity are distinguished one from another in various passages. In the Old Testament, “LORD” is distinguished from “Lord” (Genesis 19:24; Hosea 1:4). The LORD has a Son (Psalm 2:7, 12; Proverbs 30:2-4). The Spirit is distinguished from the “LORD” (Numbers 27:18) and from “God” (Psalm 51:10-12). God the Son is distinguished from God the Father (Psalm 45:6-7; Hebrews 1:8-9). In the New Testament, Jesus speaks to the Father about sending a Helper, the Holy Spirit (John 14:16-17). This shows that Jesus did not consider Himself to be the Father or the Holy Spirit. Consider also all the other times in the Gospels where Jesus speaks to the Father.Was He speaking to Himself? No. He spoke to another person in the Trinity—the Father.Add also what happened when He was being baptised,He(the son) was acknowledged by the Father and Had the Holy Spirit descent upon Him. Rather than attempting to fully define the Trinity with human minds, we would rather focus on God's greatness and His infinitely higher nature. For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous. Romans 5:19
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