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Kenya Re a/c policies
Scubidu
#1 Posted : Friday, November 20, 2009 10:30:00 AM
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Has anyone looked into Kenya Re's change in accounting policies with regard to earnings per share. I noticed earnings per share is 1.40 for September 2009 and was 1.97 for 31 December 2008. I realized that they were only recognising profits from general business. EPS is usually calculated from PAT. I hear the new accounting standards disregard profits from long term (life) business because it will be paid out at some future date. So earnings per share should comprise profits attributable to short term (general) business,while life profits simply add to reserves.

Has anyone heard of this? And does it make sense? Have composite insurers like Jubilee Holdings adopted this new standard? (u don't have to answer those questions btw) Kenya Re's annual report doesn't mention adoption of new accounting standards,so if anyone has a clue as to which IFRS standard it,I'd appreciate it.

Profits attributed to Life business comprised 25% of profits in 2007,20% in 2008 and 20% as at Sep 2009; so I think it (the 'IFRS' standard) creates some problems for valuation,forecasting and dividends. P/E appears higher than it should be,one can't forecast dividend policy accurately and are profits from life business really distributable (to shareholders) if they 'belong' to policyholders?

Appreciate any thoughts.


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jerry
#2 Posted : Friday, November 20, 2009 8:04:00 PM
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@scubidu. B4 we get the experts to answer u may be you could tell me what is happening to Pan Africa Insurance. Why did the share sell at KSH 6.40 today or it was a mistake in reporting?

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Scubidu
#3 Posted : Saturday, November 21, 2009 6:14:00 AM
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@ jerry. Pan African was probably a typo by the NSE. I don't see how it could have dropped so far in one day. And on the Kenya Re thing,I'm not an accountant so I found the whole rationale about the EPS thing confusing. Because there's no reason for the EPS to be based on general business profit. What implication does this have on Pan African Insurance that deals with life business only?

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Hi-Lo
#4 Posted : Saturday, November 21, 2009 7:14:00 AM
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@scub...dig up archives...an accountant in SK elaborated on the matter in time past...the gist of which was that Life Funds don't belong to shareholders (but to insured)...until an actuary values the Funds and transfers any excess to shareholders as profits (or even claws back any deficits)...meantime make do with general business profits...

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jerry
#5 Posted : Saturday, November 21, 2009 12:19:00 PM
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@hi-lo. nimesoma kitu. Then it means that since the life business is healthy (from reported profits) then we are assured that the 19.65% increase in EPS to 1.40 is safe. In other words the healthy life business is a 'disclosure' that reassures the shareholder. Is Pan Africa dominated by life business and is it the reason that it rarely pays dividends? Just thinking around!

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Scubidu
#6 Posted : Saturday, November 21, 2009 6:36:00 PM
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@ Hi-Lo. Aaah yes,you're right,I'm assuming the previous post you referred to was http://www.stockskenya.c...aspx?stk=0&top=9111

Nway it's in the Insurance Act section 46 (5) and Kenya Re's 2008 annual report on page 41 concerning the statutory reserve. There seems to be a threshold on which profits can be paid '...The Act restricts the amounts of surpluses of the long term business available for distribution to shareholders to 30% of the accumulated profits of the long term business'. Okay,so the Act has put a cap on dividends,which is sad for Pan investors (as the same 30% reserves can also be redirected to policy holders as bonuses).

The Act regulates the return on invested capital,so in my humble opinion the EPS seems really irrelevant when setting the dividend policy since the DPS is expressed as a % on par value. So why is Kenya Re not allowed to include life business surpluses in the EPS calculation but Pan African is? Doesn't Pan African's and Jubilee's surpluses on their life funds belong to policyholders as well? Nway I think I'll need to read up more on embedded value...

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Hi-Lo
#7 Posted : Sunday, November 22, 2009 10:25:00 AM
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@scub...the thread you've dug out is not the right one...there is/was another longer one with more dynamic arguments from an accountant and specifically on the matter you've raised...keep digging...

...on the life funds profits,I guess KNRE has contracted a lazy/conservative actuary who doesn't do valuations in time and/or refuses to transfer larger chunks to shareholders... as opposed to Jubilee and Panafrica actuaries who are quite liberal or inhouse...

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