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Total operating income - Sh25.46bn
Total operating expenses - Sh14.49bn
PBT - Sh11bn
PAT - Sh7.08bn
Dividend maintained at Sh2.60/share, book closure May 23rd.
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/20/2008 Posts: 503
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Superprime1 wrote:Total operating income - Sh25.46bn
Total operating expenses - Sh14.49bn
PBT - Sh11bn
PAT - Sh7.08bn
Dividend maintained at Sh2.60/share, book closure May 23rd. This kind of nonsensical dividend payout can only be entertained by VVS
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,684 Location: NAIROBI
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Net earnings up 2% Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,515 Location: nairobi
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xxxxx wrote:Superprime1 wrote:Total operating income - Sh25.46bn
Total operating expenses - Sh14.49bn
PBT - Sh11bn
PAT - Sh7.08bn
Dividend maintained at Sh2.60/share, book closure May 23rd. This kind of nonsensical dividend payout can only be entertained by VVS A certified terrorism financier according to DPP HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,103 Location: Nairobi
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xxxxx wrote:Superprime1 wrote:Total operating income - Sh25.46bn
Total operating expenses - Sh14.49bn
PBT - Sh11bn
PAT - Sh7.08bn
Dividend maintained at Sh2.60/share, book closure May 23rd. This kind of nonsensical dividend payout can only be entertained by VVS I see you have no love for Warren Buffett or Berkshire Hathaway Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,515 Location: nairobi
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The problem is that you get excited about such and brag about it, but someone selling smokies outside Mamlaka Hall makes more in a day than such an annual dividend payout by DTB HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,103 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:The problem is that you get excited about such and brag about it, but someone selling smokies outside Mamlaka Hall makes more in a day than such an annual dividend payout by DTB 297mn (or so) shares x 2.60 = 750mn (or so) in dividends The Mamlaka guy is doing very well if he makes more than 750mn/day! The smokies guy should be given KQ to run. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/20/2008 Posts: 503
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I love WB but a dividend of 2.6 for a company trading at 130 or 150 is just careless. DTB should just declare a period of no dividends so its clear just like Centum did during Centum 1.0. That way investors are programmed to focus on capital gains.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,103 Location: Nairobi
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xxxxx wrote:I love WB but a dividend of 2.6 for a company trading at 130 or 150 is just careless. DTB should just declare a period of no dividends so its clear just like Centum did during Centum 1.0. That way investors are programmed to focus on capital gains. "DTB should just declare a period of no dividends" You should propose that at the AGM. "a dividend of 2.6 for a company trading at 130 or 150 is just careless" What would you call a share that trades at $300,000+ and pays zilch in dividends? Question: If you know DTB's dividend policy is "stingy" and has been the case for years, if not decades, then why bother with DTB if you want a high dividend payout ratio? BAT and BBK seem better suited for you. Another is KCB with a decent payout ratio. I have Centum whose dividend (vs PAT) is nothing to write home about. But I knew it going in. They retain "profits" to re-invest or pay down debt rather than have Rights Issues. Another is Car & General. Lousy dividend vs PAT. Lousy for years. They retain "profits" to pay down debt, increase working capital and re-invest rather than have Rights Issues. For both Centum and C&G, I focus on the Earnings Yield, NAV and potential future gains when they sell their "For Sale" investments. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/20/2008 Posts: 503
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VituVingiSana wrote:xxxxx wrote:I love WB but a dividend of 2.6 for a company trading at 130 or 150 is just careless. DTB should just declare a period of no dividends so its clear just like Centum did during Centum 1.0. That way investors are programmed to focus on capital gains. "DTB should just declare a period of no dividends" You should propose that at the AGM. "a dividend of 2.6 for a company trading at 130 or 150 is just careless" What would you call a share that trades at $300,000+ and pays zilch in dividends? Question: If you know DTB's dividend policy is "stingy" and has been the case for years, if not decades, then why bother with DTB if you want a high dividend payout ratio? BAT and BBK seem better suited for you. Another is KCB with a decent payout ratio. I have Centum whose dividend (vs PAT) is nothing to write home about. But I knew it going in. They retain "profits" to re-invest or pay down debt rather than have Rights Issues. Another is Car & General. Lousy dividend vs PAT. Lousy for years. They retain "profits" to pay down debt, increase working capital and re-invest rather than have Rights Issues. For both Centum and C&G, I focus on the Earnings Yield, NAV and potential future gains when they sell their "For Sale" investments. But does the capital gains part of the equation work out for DTB?
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/1/2017 Posts: 288
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Have guys received their DTB dividend cheques for 2019?I am yet to receive mine yet their book closure was on 24th May 2019 and dividend payout was on 26 June 2019 Contrarian Investor and Trader.Advocate of free markets,limited government interference in the economy and sound money
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,103 Location: Nairobi
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xxxxx wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:xxxxx wrote:I love WB but a dividend of 2.6 for a company trading at 130 or 150 is just careless. DTB should just declare a period of no dividends so its clear just like Centum did during Centum 1.0. That way investors are programmed to focus on capital gains. "DTB should just declare a period of no dividends" You should propose that at the AGM. "a dividend of 2.6 for a company trading at 130 or 150 is just careless" What would you call a share that trades at $300,000+ and pays zilch in dividends? Question: If you know DTB's dividend policy is "stingy" and has been the case for years, if not decades, then why bother with DTB if you want a high dividend payout ratio? BAT and BBK seem better suited for you. Another is KCB with a decent payout ratio. I have Centum whose dividend (vs PAT) is nothing to write home about. But I knew it going in. They retain "profits" to re-invest or pay down debt rather than have Rights Issues. Another is Car & General. Lousy dividend vs PAT. Lousy for years. They retain "profits" to pay down debt, increase working capital and re-invest rather than have Rights Issues. For both Centum and C&G, I focus on the Earnings Yield, NAV and potential future gains when they sell their "For Sale" investments. But does the capital gains part of the equation work out for DTB? First, do you think it is a quality business? If yes, then read further. Capital Gains will happen when it happens. For now, I am more concerned about their NPLs and provisioning policy. WHETHER WE’RE TALKING ABOUT SOCKS OR STOCKS, I LIKE BUYING QUALITY MERCHANDISE WHEN IT IS MARKED DOWN – WARREN BUFFET Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 12/16/2009 Posts: 34 Location: NAIROBI
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slick wrote:Have guys received their DTB dividend cheques for 2019?I am yet to receive mine yet their book closure was on 24th May 2019 and dividend payout was on 26 June 2019 They do not send cheques but dividend notification letter. Then they credit your bank account with cash. My cash was well recieved on time.
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/1/2017 Posts: 288
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Marthegorgeous wrote:slick wrote:Have guys received their DTB dividend cheques for 2019?I am yet to receive mine yet their book closure was on 24th May 2019 and dividend payout was on 26 June 2019 They do not send cheques but dividend notification letter. Then they credit your bank account with cash. My cash was well recieved on time. @Marthegorgeous.It seems you registered to have your dividend funds directly transferred to your bank account.I normally receive the dividend cheques from DTB and my other counters. Anyway,I called DTB Shares registry Department and they indicated they sent out the cheques in July and it seems my post office may have misplaced it.I will follow up with Post Office. Thanks Marthegorgeous for confirming to me the dividend funds were disbursed Contrarian Investor and Trader.Advocate of free markets,limited government interference in the economy and sound money
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,515 Location: nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:xxxxx wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:xxxxx wrote:I love WB but a dividend of 2.6 for a company trading at 130 or 150 is just careless. DTB should just declare a period of no dividends so its clear just like Centum did during Centum 1.0. That way investors are programmed to focus on capital gains. "DTB should just declare a period of no dividends" You should propose that at the AGM. "a dividend of 2.6 for a company trading at 130 or 150 is just careless" What would you call a share that trades at $300,000+ and pays zilch in dividends? Question: If you know DTB's dividend policy is "stingy" and has been the case for years, if not decades, then why bother with DTB if you want a high dividend payout ratio? BAT and BBK seem better suited for you. Another is KCB with a decent payout ratio. I have Centum whose dividend (vs PAT) is nothing to write home about. But I knew it going in. They retain "profits" to re-invest or pay down debt rather than have Rights Issues. Another is Car & General. Lousy dividend vs PAT. Lousy for years. They retain "profits" to pay down debt, increase working capital and re-invest rather than have Rights Issues. For both Centum and C&G, I focus on the Earnings Yield, NAV and potential future gains when they sell their "For Sale" investments. But does the capital gains part of the equation work out for DTB? First, do you think it is a quality business? If yes, then read further. Capital Gains will happen when it happens. For now, I am more concerned about their NPLs and provisioning policy. WHETHER WE’RE TALKING ABOUT SOCKS OR STOCKS, I LIKE BUYING QUALITY MERCHANDISE WHEN IT IS MARKED DOWN – WARREN BUFFET I am also worried about their NPL HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,684 Location: NAIROBI
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obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:xxxxx wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:xxxxx wrote:I love WB but a dividend of 2.6 for a company trading at 130 or 150 is just careless. DTB should just declare a period of no dividends so its clear just like Centum did during Centum 1.0. That way investors are programmed to focus on capital gains. "DTB should just declare a period of no dividends" You should propose that at the AGM. "a dividend of 2.6 for a company trading at 130 or 150 is just careless" What would you call a share that trades at $300,000+ and pays zilch in dividends? Question: If you know DTB's dividend policy is "stingy" and has been the case for years, if not decades, then why bother with DTB if you want a high dividend payout ratio? BAT and BBK seem better suited for you. Another is KCB with a decent payout ratio. I have Centum whose dividend (vs PAT) is nothing to write home about. But I knew it going in. They retain "profits" to re-invest or pay down debt rather than have Rights Issues. Another is Car & General. Lousy dividend vs PAT. Lousy for years. They retain "profits" to pay down debt, increase working capital and re-invest rather than have Rights Issues. For both Centum and C&G, I focus on the Earnings Yield, NAV and potential future gains when they sell their "For Sale" investments. But does the capital gains part of the equation work out for DTB? First, do you think it is a quality business? If yes, then read further. Capital Gains will happen when it happens. For now, I am more concerned about their NPLs and provisioning policy. WHETHER WE’RE TALKING ABOUT SOCKS OR STOCKS, I LIKE BUYING QUALITY MERCHANDISE WHEN IT IS MARKED DOWN – WARREN BUFFET I am also worried about their NPL DTB to write off sh.3bn of debt owed by Nakumatt Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,103 Location: Nairobi
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Ericsson wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:xxxxx wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:xxxxx wrote:I love WB but a dividend of 2.6 for a company trading at 130 or 150 is just careless. DTB should just declare a period of no dividends so its clear just like Centum did during Centum 1.0. That way investors are programmed to focus on capital gains. "DTB should just declare a period of no dividends" You should propose that at the AGM. "a dividend of 2.6 for a company trading at 130 or 150 is just careless" What would you call a share that trades at $300,000+ and pays zilch in dividends? Question: If you know DTB's dividend policy is "stingy" and has been the case for years, if not decades, then why bother with DTB if you want a high dividend payout ratio? BAT and BBK seem better suited for you. Another is KCB with a decent payout ratio. I have Centum whose dividend (vs PAT) is nothing to write home about. But I knew it going in. They retain "profits" to re-invest or pay down debt rather than have Rights Issues. Another is Car & General. Lousy dividend vs PAT. Lousy for years. They retain "profits" to pay down debt, increase working capital and re-invest rather than have Rights Issues. For both Centum and C&G, I focus on the Earnings Yield, NAV and potential future gains when they sell their "For Sale" investments. But does the capital gains part of the equation work out for DTB? First, do you think it is a quality business? If yes, then read further. Capital Gains will happen when it happens. For now, I am more concerned about their NPLs and provisioning policy. WHETHER WE’RE TALKING ABOUT SOCKS OR STOCKS, I LIKE BUYING QUALITY MERCHANDISE WHEN IT IS MARKED DOWN – WARREN BUFFET I am also worried about their NPL DTB to write off sh.3bn of debt owed by Nakumatt Good. Over and done with. It will not affect the PBT or Shareholder Funds. Provisions vs Write Off (of provisions). Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,684 Location: NAIROBI
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https://pbs.twimg.com/me...ormat=png&name=smallWealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/16/2019 Posts: 313
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Ugandan court declares syndicated loan to DTB Uganda borrower is illegal since DTB Kenya is not licensed to operate in Uganda. This has made other foreign banks which rely on their parent banks when syndicating loans very jittery. Equity Uganda has a similar court in case. The loan defaulters are celebrating like there is no tomorrow. Uganda Bankers Association has termed the ruling as "reckless". LinkQuote:“I do declare that the appointment of the 1st defendant(DTB Uganda) by the 2nd defendant(DTB Kenya) as agent bank and security agent in respect of the 2nd defendant’s(DTB Kenya) loan was illegal, unethical, unlawful, in breach of trust, in breach of fiduciary duty and in breach of the Financial Institutions Act 2004 as well the Bank of Uganda Consumer Protection Guidelines 2011 and the Kenyan Banking Act.”
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/16/2019 Posts: 313
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kmucheke wrote:Ugandan court declares syndicated loan to DTB Uganda borrower is illegal since DTB Kenya is not licensed to operate in Uganda. This has made other foreign banks which rely on their parent banks when syndicating loans very jittery. Equity Uganda has a similar court in case. The loan defaulters are celebrating like there is no tomorrow. Uganda Bankers Association has termed the ruling as "reckless". LinkQuote:“I do declare that the appointment of the 1st defendant(DTB Uganda) by the 2nd defendant(DTB Kenya) as agent bank and security agent in respect of the 2nd defendant’s(DTB Kenya) loan was illegal, unethical, unlawful, in breach of trust, in breach of fiduciary duty and in breach of the Financial Institutions Act 2004 as well the Bank of Uganda Consumer Protection Guidelines 2011 and the Kenyan Banking Act.” Uganda regulator hands relief to Kenyan lendersI would not yet call it relief. The judiciary needs also to clear the air on the same. The borrower knew very well that this was a syndicated loan involving a foreign bank and is just trying to avoid paying back the loan Quote:Uganda’s central bank has said foreign-based commercial banks do not need its approval to lend funds originating abroad, bringing relief to Kenyan banks that had been rattled by a court ruling last week that declared some syndicated loans illegal.
The Bank of Uganda said it did not regulate lending that involved “using funds obtained from foreign banks that do not take deposits from the public in Uganda.”
“Foreign banks lending deposits held in jurisdictions other than Uganda are regulated and supervised by their home authorities,” it said in a statement. “It is not mandatory for a foreign bank to establish a representative office in Uganda in order to conduct lending.”
Though the Bank of Uganda’s position does not override the court’s ruling, it boosts chances of a successful appeal by Diamond Trust Bank (DTB), which was the subject of a commercial court ruling.
Uganda’s Commercial Division Judge Justice Henry Peter Adoyo last week ruled that DTB, together with its Ugandan subsidiary, DTB Uganda, acted illegally by jointly lending money to Ham Enterprises Ltd and Kiggs International (U) Ltd, owned by Ugandan businessman Hamis Kiggundu.
Both banks had put together syndicated loans for Mr Kiggundu and his businesses over several years. But after a dispute over repayments Kiggundu sued, arguing the loans were illegal because the Kenyan bank did not have a Ugandan banking licence issued by the central bank.
Ugandan banks have traditionally relied on syndicating big credit lines with parent banks in bigger markets to serve major corporate customers and the ruling, which has been appealed, put the fate of such loans in doubt.
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