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There's a quote alluded to Jesus in the Bible, that's definitely contrary to what Jesus could have ever said.
And so, given the circumstances of the New Testament writing, it leaves us with no option but to take the Bible with the pinch of salt it deserves.
In other words, we've been brainwashed.
Hypnosis. To base our lives unthinkingly on a book. And an ethos based on theological scholarship alone is mental slavery.
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 What happens to Sola Scriptura ?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Mtu Biz wrote: What happens to Sola Scriptura ? I have reason to suspect that 'Sola scriptura' was an invention of Frederick the Great and not Luther. Luther was a mere reformer who found himself with an emergency. He wasn't even sure that Frederick would protect him... So, we live defenses aside for the moment. The real issue is on what we can base our ethics.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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The story of the gospels can't be of universal significance, and, the idea of salvation has only been dealt with in the most superficial of ways.
The gospels, are simply the work of Jewish propaganda.
Example: What causes dis-ease, and what does it take, or even mean to heal?
If just touching the hem of his garment results in healing why doesn't Nicodemus's conversation get him eternal life, which, for all reasons is equal to healing?
The healing stories then amount to mystical stories that were an expected part of a well crafted narrative. Otherwise all healed would qualify for eternal life.
And that would nullify Christ's demands on Nicodemus.
So there's a mixture of myth, legend, and history in the Gospels, and hence the truth of the Bible can only be contingent.
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tycho wrote:There's a quote alluded to Jesus in the Bible, that's definitely contrary to what Jesus could have ever said.
And so, given the circumstances of the New Testament writing, it leaves us with no option but to take the Bible with the pinch of salt it deserves.
In other words, we've been brainwashed.
Hypnosis. To base our lives unthinkingly on a book. And an ethos based on theological scholarship alone is mental slavery. Which one ?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Mtu Biz wrote:tycho wrote:There's a quote alluded to Jesus in the Bible, that's definitely contrary to what Jesus could have ever said.
And so, given the circumstances of the New Testament writing, it leaves us with no option but to take the Bible with the pinch of salt it deserves.
In other words, we've been brainwashed.
Hypnosis. To base our lives unthinkingly on a book. And an ethos based on theological scholarship alone is mental slavery. Which one ? Hahaha. It's taken you quite a while to ask this question. It should have been the first. Matthew 5:27-28
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Wacha kucheka, you are making serious allegations. In what way is this 27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’[a] 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. Contrary to his other teaching?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Mtu Biz wrote:Wacha kucheka, you are making serious allegations.
In what way is this
27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’[a] 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Contrary to his other teaching? All other teachings are focused on the understanding of human nature and the relief from guilt. This verse, is decidedly focused on the imposition of guilt, and, even has hints of not understanding human nature. So, if this is true, and Christ was for the first position then the latter can't be his words.
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tycho wrote:Mtu Biz wrote:Wacha kucheka, you are making serious allegations.
In what way is this
27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’[a] 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Contrary to his other teaching? All other teachings are focused on the understanding of human nature and the relief from guilt. This verse, is decidedly focused on the imposition of guilt, and, even has hints of not understanding human nature. So, if this is true, and Christ was for the first position then the latter can't be his words. Then his teachings which focus on understanding of human nature may be limited to the beatitudes and some parables. Otherwise verses like Matthew 5:22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’ is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell. Fall under your "Edited Bible" Category.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Let's call my verse '5:27' and your counter, '5:22'.
Your argument basically is that 5:22 and 5:27 are equivalent in form, and implication, and thus only a small portion remaining would qualify the 'Christ condition'.
Granted, they appear to have the same form. That is, 'If, then'.
But do they have the same implication?
5:22 implies a consequence or consequences of a state of being.
5:27 implies a state of being.
5:22 is then resonant with the Christ condition.
5:27 is the contrary to the Christ condition still.
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