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mikanjoroge
#1 Posted : Friday, September 01, 2017 2:19:56 PM
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Following the court ruling, I predict that KRA will not disable PINs and will wait till election is over.
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h2s
#2 Posted : Friday, September 01, 2017 8:59:36 PM
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mikanjoroge wrote:
Following the court ruling, I predict that KRA will not disable PINs and will wait till election is over.

I won't be surprised if the "polyethylene/plastic ban" is also suspended.
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mikanjoroge
#3 Posted : Monday, September 04, 2017 8:25:22 AM
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h2s wrote:
mikanjoroge wrote:
Following the court ruling, I predict that KRA will not disable PINs and will wait till election is over.

I won't be surprised if the "polyethylene/plastic ban" is also suspended.


So far I am half right:
KRA adds taxpayers 30 days to file returns
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FRM2011
#4 Posted : Wednesday, September 06, 2017 3:02:03 PM
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mikanjoroge wrote:
h2s wrote:
mikanjoroge wrote:
Following the court ruling, I predict that KRA will not disable PINs and will wait till election is over.

I won't be surprised if the "polyethylene/plastic ban" is also suspended.


So far I am half right:
KRA adds taxpayers 30 days to file returns


Quite a number of i-tax accounts have actually been suspended. Does anyone know whether the above extension is still there.
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kawambui
#5 Posted : Wednesday, September 06, 2017 3:30:07 PM
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FRM2011 wrote:
mikanjoroge wrote:
h2s wrote:
mikanjoroge wrote:
Following the court ruling, I predict that KRA will not disable PINs and will wait till election is over.

I won't be surprised if the "polyethylene/plastic ban" is also suspended.


So far I am half right:
KRA adds taxpayers 30 days to file returns


Quite a number of i-tax accounts have actually been suspended. Does anyone know whether the above extension is still there.


The pins that have not been updated on iTax as well a those who have never filed their returns have been suspended. KRA has not given any extension.

http://kra.go.ke/notices...%20filing%20returns.pdf
Proverbs 4:23
[23]Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.
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Chaka
#6 Posted : Wednesday, September 06, 2017 4:40:51 PM
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So if you are a retiree whose PIN had not been migrated to iTAX,or migrated but idle,and surviving on pension and some rental rooms and sale of miok from dairy animals isokay i,e tax man can keep off your affairs?

kawambui wrote:


The pins that have not been updated on iTax as well a those who have never filed their returns have been suspended. KRA has not given any extension.

http://kra.go.ke/notices...%20filing%20returns.pdf


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kawambui
#7 Posted : Wednesday, September 06, 2017 5:27:08 PM
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Chaka wrote:
So if you are a retiree whose PIN had not been migrated to iTAX,or migrated but idle,and surviving on pension and some rental rooms and sale of miok from dairy animals isokay i,e tax man can keep off your affairs?

kawambui wrote:


The pins that have not been updated on iTax as well a those who have never filed their returns have been suspended. KRA has not given any extension.

http://kra.go.ke/notices...%20filing%20returns.pdf





Is pension subject to PAYE? If it is then the pensioner is screwed.
Proverbs 4:23
[23]Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.
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Flo-ology
#8 Posted : Wednesday, September 06, 2017 8:39:00 PM
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My personal PIN got suspended today yet i have been paying taxes(PAYE). Though i have other side hustles apart from employment like transport biz and farming which might not be accurately filed. Will be making an appointment with the taxman to know why the pin was suspended
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maka
#9 Posted : Wednesday, September 06, 2017 11:18:47 PM
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kawambui wrote:
Chaka wrote:
So if you are a retiree whose PIN had not been migrated to iTAX,or migrated but idle,and surviving on pension and some rental rooms and sale of miok from dairy animals isokay i,e tax man can keep off your affairs?

kawambui wrote:


The pins that have not been updated on iTax as well a those who have never filed their returns have been suspended. KRA has not given any extension.

http://kra.go.ke/notices...%20filing%20returns.pdf





Is pension subject to PAYE? If it is then the pensioner is screwed.



I doubt it is...

http://www.businessdaily...085516-vma1yn/index.html
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maka
#10 Posted : Wednesday, September 06, 2017 11:22:02 PM
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Flo-ology wrote:
My personal PIN got suspended today yet i have been paying taxes(PAYE). Though i have other side hustles apart from employment like transport biz and farming which might not be accurately filed. Will be making an appointment with the taxman to know why the pin was suspended


Wololo pole...i think mine is also going that way...
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mikanjoroge
#11 Posted : Thursday, September 07, 2017 8:55:38 AM
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Flo-ology wrote:
My personal PIN got suspended today yet i have been paying taxes(PAYE). Though i have other side hustles apart from employment like transport biz and farming which might not be accurately filed. Will be making an appointment with the taxman to know why the pin was suspended



You say you have been paying tax?
1.) Have you migrated to I-tax?
2.) Did you file a non-nil return?
If yes to both questions then i think this is a mistake by KRA.

To KRA,
Maybe on October 17th because of all the stress of PIN deactivation/reactivation, I may be too tired to vote... (get the hint)?
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Angelica _ann
#12 Posted : Thursday, September 07, 2017 9:40:23 AM
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How do you know your PIN is deactivated?
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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maka
#13 Posted : Thursday, September 07, 2017 9:51:15 AM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
How do you know your PIN is deactivated?


Your bank account doesnt work.....d'oh! d'oh! d'oh! d'oh!

Am joking...smile
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Internet
#14 Posted : Thursday, September 07, 2017 11:51:06 AM
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To know if your PIN is deactivated, go to PIN checker and type in the PIN. The PIN status will be displayed.
https://itax.kra.go.ke/K...Page&viewType=static
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Angelica _ann
#15 Posted : Thursday, September 07, 2017 12:05:32 PM
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[quote=Internet]To know if your PIN is deactivated, go to PIN checker and type in the PIN. The PIN status will be displayed.
https://itax.kra.go.ke/K...age&viewType=static[/quote]

Asante ... active smile
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Flo-ology
#16 Posted : Thursday, September 07, 2017 12:34:56 PM
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mikanjoroge wrote:
Flo-ology wrote:
My personal PIN got suspended today yet i have been paying taxes(PAYE). Though i have other side hustles apart from employment like transport biz and farming which might not be accurately filed. Will be making an appointment with the taxman to know why the pin was suspended



You say you have been paying tax?
1.) Have you migrated to I-tax?
2.) Did you file a non-nil return?
If yes to both questions then i think this is a mistake by KRA.

To KRA,
Maybe on October 17th because of all the stress of PIN deactivation/reactivation, I may be too tired to vote... (get the hint)?


Yes, i have been filing returns and it is a lot of taxes. I am sure if you look at my payslip paye part you will pity me. Will take time tomorrow and meet those guys. Though i had a chat with a tax consultant and he said that if you have ever done business and the company withholds tax (3 %or 5%) and files it incorrectly as VAT then it will affect you. I think this might be the case with me.

So many things i need to learn now like Turn over taxes etc so i know how to defend myself tomorrow. I meant to understand that VAT is for companies who do more than 5m annually..., any hints here?
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FRM2011
#17 Posted : Friday, September 08, 2017 12:35:56 PM
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Flo-ology wrote:
My personal PIN got suspended today yet i have been paying taxes(PAYE). Though i have other side hustles apart from employment like transport biz and farming which might not be accurately filed. Will be making an appointment with the taxman to know why the pin was suspended


Hi, I have been engaging KRA and it is likely your PIN has been suspended specifically because of the side hustles.

Had you registered for VAT for the side hustles ?

Have you been filing monthly ?

There is a pin reactivation form being filed and sent to pinreactivation@kra.go.ke
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kawambui
#18 Posted : Friday, September 08, 2017 12:39:06 PM
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Flo-ology wrote:
mikanjoroge wrote:
Flo-ology wrote:
My personal PIN got suspended today yet i have been paying taxes(PAYE). Though i have other side hustles apart from employment like transport biz and farming which might not be accurately filed. Will be making an appointment with the taxman to know why the pin was suspended



You say you have been paying tax?
1.) Have you migrated to I-tax?
2.) Did you file a non-nil return?
If yes to both questions then i think this is a mistake by KRA.

To KRA,
Maybe on October 17th because of all the stress of PIN deactivation/reactivation, I may be too tired to vote... (get the hint)?


Yes, i have been filing returns and it is a lot of taxes. I am sure if you look at my payslip paye part you will pity me. Will take time tomorrow and meet those guys. Though i had a chat with a tax consultant and he said that if you have ever done business and the company withholds tax (3 %or 5%) and files it incorrectly as VAT then it will affect you. I think this might be the case with me.

So many things i need to learn now like Turn over taxes etc so i know how to defend myself tomorrow. I meant to understand that VAT is for companies who do more than 5m annually..., any hints here?


The VAT obligation could be your undoing; it requires that you file monthly by 20th.
Proverbs 4:23
[23]Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.
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Museveni
#19 Posted : Friday, September 08, 2017 2:43:00 PM
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kawambui wrote:
Flo-ology wrote:
mikanjoroge wrote:
Flo-ology wrote:
My personal PIN got suspended today yet i have been paying taxes(PAYE). Though i have other side hustles apart from employment like transport biz and farming which might not be accurately filed. Will be making an appointment with the taxman to know why the pin was suspended



You say you have been paying tax?
1.) Have you migrated to I-tax?
2.) Did you file a non-nil return?
If yes to both questions then i think this is a mistake by KRA.

To KRA,
Maybe on October 17th because of all the stress of PIN deactivation/reactivation, I may be too tired to vote... (get the hint)?


Yes, i have been filing returns and it is a lot of taxes. I am sure if you look at my payslip paye part you will pity me. Will take time tomorrow and meet those guys. Though i had a chat with a tax consultant and he said that if you have ever done business and the company withholds tax (3 %or 5%) and files it incorrectly as VAT then it will affect you. I think this might be the case with me.

So many things i need to learn now like Turn over taxes etc so i know how to defend myself tomorrow. I meant to understand that VAT is for companies who do more than 5m annually..., any hints here?


The VAT obligation could be your undoing; it requires that you file monthly by 20th.

1. Are you registered for VAT obligation ? (should be able to get this from the pdf they sent in the emails since you cannot log into the iTax portal)

2. Those side businesses have you registered with KRA and obtained VAT number ?

If any of the above questons is yes, then dont even think of turnover tax discussion as it is to guide you determine whether you will apply for VAT or not.

If the answer to both questions is NO, then start thinking of turnover tax.

This is applicable when your annual turnover is less than 5M and it is at 3% of the turnover - no deductions. Self assesed. Going this route I hope you have all transactions well documented and can show your turnover as well as the amounts paid to the taxman. Key word here is book keeping.

If you book keeping is poor then you will have veeeery long and deep discussions with the taxman. However showing up is enough goodwill and dont feign too much ignorance or be the 'know it all' defensively.

Just go through what you know (and can prove income wise) then show what you have paid for tthen ask to compare with their records. Should be ok and pin reactivated.
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Flo-ology
#20 Posted : Sunday, September 10, 2017 8:24:30 AM
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kawambui wrote:
Flo-ology wrote:
mikanjoroge wrote:
Flo-ology wrote:
My personal PIN got suspended today yet i have been paying taxes(PAYE). Though i have other side hustles apart from employment like transport biz and farming which might not be accurately filed. Will be making an appointment with the taxman to know why the pin was suspended



You say you have been paying tax?
1.) Have you migrated to I-tax?
2.) Did you file a non-nil return?
If yes to both questions then i think this is a mistake by KRA.

To KRA,
Maybe on October 17th because of all the stress of PIN deactivation/reactivation, I may be too tired to vote... (get the hint)?


Yes, i have been filing returns and it is a lot of taxes. I am sure if you look at my payslip paye part you will pity me. Will take time tomorrow and meet those guys. Though i had a chat with a tax consultant and he said that if you have ever done business and the company withholds tax (3 %or 5%) and files it incorrectly as VAT then it will affect you. I think this might be the case with me.

So many things i need to learn now like Turn over taxes etc so i know how to defend myself tomorrow. I meant to understand that VAT is for companies who do more than 5m annually..., any hints here?


The VAT obligation could be your undoing; it requires that you file monthly by 20th.



I am not registered for VAT. The system flagged a withholding tax transaction which was filed as VAT instead of income. My client had used my Personal PIN to claim the withholding tax. KRA reactivated the PIN and advised me to go and demand the 3% which was withheld by the client since this should not have been the case. KRA confirmed that I don't have to have VAT number as longer as my yearly turnover is below KES 5M
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