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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Fire engulfs 27 floor apartment block.....while people were sleeping. http://edition.cnn.com/2...live-updates/index.html
 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Sad....people jumping out of windows... 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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When the fire started on the second floor of the 27 floor building, residents were told to stay put in their flats and put wet towels below their doors.....as per the building's fire safety policy/procedures. Then the fire spread to the whole building. And hundreds were trapped in their homes since it was too late escape. Surely that "stay put policy" is devoid of any common sense and has lead to many many deaths. 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Quote:Eyewitnesses said they saw lights - thought to be mobile phones or torches - flashing at the top of the block of flats, and trapped residents coming to their windows - some holding children from windows.
Eyewitness Jody Martin said: "I watched one person falling out, I watched another woman holding her baby out the window... hearing screams.
"I was yelling at everyone to get down and they were saying 'We can't leave our apartments, the smoke is too bad on the corridors.'"
Michael Paramaseevan, who lives on the seventh floor with his girlfriend and young daughter, said he ignored official advice to stay in your home.
"If we had stayed in that flat, we would've perished. My gut instinct told me just to get the girls out. I wrapped the little one up because of the smoke and I just got them out." http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-40269625
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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We were/are not bothered with the collapse of the 7 storey building in Embakasi where 15 lives are still unaccounted for yet we are more concerned with a burning building in London. #Blacklivesdonotmatter# If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Swenani wrote:We were/are not bothered with the collapse of the 7 storey building in Embakasi where 15 lives are still unaccounted for yet we are more concerned with a burning building in London.
#Blacklivesdonotmatter# start that thread sir
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/5/2011 Posts: 1,059
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Being in the building industry I am Following closely on how the fire spread so fast, building flaws eg the garbage chutes can channel smoke upstairs. That policy is so bad, even in small fires everyone should go outside to the fire assembly point, we use British building code in Kenya and it has some flaws eg. -open staircases in ideal situations you should open a door to the access to the staircase. -garbage chutes should automatically close when fire alarm goes off. -Have dry and wet risers, swimming pool acts as a fire fighting tank. -for 10 floors and above, have a fire proofed floor in the middle for those unable to use the staircase all the way down. -switch of central air conditioning -pioed gas and electric power switched off To Each His Own
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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kayhara wrote:Being in the building industry I am Following closely on how the fire spread so fast, building flaws eg the garbage chutes can channel smoke upstairs.
That policy is so bad, even in small fires everyone should go outside to the fire assembly point, we use British building code in Kenya and it has some flaws eg.
-open staircases in ideal situations you should open a door to the access to the staircase.
-garbage chutes should automatically close when fire alarm goes off.
-Have dry and wet risers, swimming pool acts as a fire fighting tank.
-for 10 floors and above, have a fire proofed floor in the middle for those unable to use the staircase all the way down.
-switch of central air conditioning
-pioed gas and electric power switched off This is the building layout. With such a floor layout, the stair case area acts like a fire chimney funneling the fire and smoke huko juu.... 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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Wow! These are not things that happen in London? What has gone wrong in London? I think burning alive is the worst way to die, no wonder some people were jumping out and as I've heard, parents were pushing their kids out of the windows over 8 floors up. Very traumatising, I don't even want to imagine.
BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/5/2011 Posts: 1,059
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Swenani wrote:We were/are not bothered with the collapse of the 7 storey building in Embakasi where 15 lives are still unaccounted for yet we are more concerned with a burning building in London.
#Blacklivesdonotmatter# We are concerned but in Kenya we find excuses throw blame forget and wait for the next, when we try to act the courts issue injunctions, residents refuse to leave. So in Kenya you look at yourself here is a list of what is wrong with Nairobi buildings -No professional approval by city hall if you have cash you are good. -no supervision if you have paid your fees you are okay. -no structural approvals for most buildings. When required it takes up to 2 years to get one. -how can a 9 storey building have 200 by 200mm columns? -one staircase of minimal width most furniture is moved through the balconies, the steps are also very high. -no cross ventilation, most nairobians don't have outside views from their houses. -fire fighting is a story in residential flats in Eastlands. -most ground floor units are dark and dump. -No laundry provisions, you bring your own hanging lines and hang them where you wish, the guys below suffer. -if ministry of health was serious most shared toilets in say single room flats would be condemned, very dirty and unventilated. -buildings are so close together that only the face of the building faces empty space, imagine the units at the end on the ground floor. Because we don't want to act WE SHALL BURY THE DEAD AND FORGET, THEN MEET HERE UNDER A NEW THREAD TITLED AFTER THE NEXT BUILDING TO COLLAPSE To Each His Own
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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kayhara wrote:Swenani wrote:We were/are not bothered with the collapse of the 7 storey building in Embakasi where 15 lives are still unaccounted for yet we are more concerned with a burning building in London.
#Blacklivesdonotmatter# We are concerned but in Kenya we find excuses throw blame forget and wait for the next, when we try to act the courts issue injunctions, residents refuse to leave. So in Kenya you look at yourself here is a list of what is wrong with Nairobi buildings -No professional approval by city hall if you have cash you are good. -no supervision if you have paid your fees you are okay. -no structural approvals for most buildings. When required it takes up to 2 years to get one. -how can a 9 storey building have 200 by 200mm columns? -one staircase of minimal width most furniture is moved through the balconies, the steps are also very high. -no cross ventilation, most nairobians don't have outside views from their houses. -fire fighting is a story in residential flats in Eastlands. -most ground floor units are dark and dump. -No laundry provisions, you bring your own hanging lines and hang them where you wish, the guys below suffer. -if ministry of health was serious most shared toilets in say single room flats would be condemned, very dirty and unventilated. -buildings are so close together that only the face of the building faces empty space, imagine the units at the end on the ground floor. Because we don't want to act WE SHALL BURY THE DEAD AND FORGET, THEN MEET HERE UNDER A NEW THREAD TITLED AFTER THE NEXT BUILDING TO COLLAPSE Now on the court cases...what prevents the CJ from appointing judges who will sit even on weekends so as to clear the 1000 cases or thereabout in regards to such buildings...The Political Parties tribunal sat even on Sunday...its possible but there is no will power...and I agree with you sir, we will discuss the same story in a few months.... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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Swenani wrote:We were/are not bothered with the collapse of the 7 storey building in Embakasi where 15 lives are still unaccounted for yet we are more concerned with a burning building in London.
#Blacklivesdonotmatter# Let me hopefully try to make you understand why. Have you ever heard the common question "Why do bad things happen to good people?" Sema eh, I give you the answer.
BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/27/2014 Posts: 560 Location: Eastlando
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Swenani wrote:We were/are not bothered with the collapse of the 7 storey building in Embakasi where 15 lives are still unaccounted for yet we are more concerned with a burning building in London.
#Blacklivesdonotmatter# I saw the embakasi thing in BBC too.all lives matter
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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Fullykenyan wrote:Swenani wrote:We were/are not bothered with the collapse of the 7 storey building in Embakasi where 15 lives are still unaccounted for yet we are more concerned with a burning building in London.
#Blacklivesdonotmatter# I saw the embakasi thing in BBC too.all lives matter The bane of middle class. You don't watch local channels, you don't discuss local tragedies. You watch exotic channels and "exotic" tragedies. If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Swenani wrote:Fullykenyan wrote:Swenani wrote:We were/are not bothered with the collapse of the 7 storey building in Embakasi where 15 lives are still unaccounted for yet we are more concerned with a burning building in London.
#Blacklivesdonotmatter# I saw the embakasi thing in BBC too.all lives matter The bane of middle class. You don't watch local channels, you don't discuss local tragedies. You watch exotic channels and "exotic" tragedies. You watched the local channel, did you discuss? Link to your thread?? There's something more hopeless in the London tragedy. It was a fire. It was not a collapse of an already condemned building. By the way, 3 hours before the Kware building collapsed, police had tried in vain to kick out tenants but they disobeyed the orders.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/18/2008 Posts: 3,434 Location: Kerugoya
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maka wrote:Now on the court cases...what prevents the CJ from appointing judges who will sit even on weekends so as to clear the 1000 cases or thereabout in regards to such buildings. The man from SDA was categorical. He does NOT work on Saturday. He will NOT work on Saturday. As such, he will NOT conjure anyone to work on Saturday.
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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Lolest! wrote:Swenani wrote:Fullykenyan wrote:Swenani wrote:We were/are not bothered with the collapse of the 7 storey building in Embakasi where 15 lives are still unaccounted for yet we are more concerned with a burning building in London.
#Blacklivesdonotmatter# I saw the embakasi thing in BBC too.all lives matter The bane of middle class. You don't watch local channels, you don't discuss local tragedies. You watch exotic channels and "exotic" tragedies. You watched the local channel, did you discuss? Link to your thread?? There's something more hopeless in the London tragedy. It was a fire. It was not a collapse of an already condemned building.By the way, 3 hours before the Kware building collapsed, police had tried in vain to kick out tenants but they disobeyed the orders. Which deaths matter? If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Swenani wrote:Lolest! wrote:Swenani wrote:Fullykenyan wrote:Swenani wrote:We were/are not bothered with the collapse of the 7 storey building in Embakasi where 15 lives are still unaccounted for yet we are more concerned with a burning building in London.
#Blacklivesdonotmatter# I saw the embakasi thing in BBC too.all lives matter The bane of middle class. You don't watch local channels, you don't discuss local tragedies. You watch exotic channels and "exotic" tragedies. You watched the local channel, did you discuss? Link to your thread?? There's something more hopeless in the London tragedy. It was a fire. It was not a collapse of an already condemned building.By the way, 3 hours before the Kware building collapsed, police had tried in vain to kick out tenants but they disobeyed the orders. Which deaths matter? All. What's the toll in Kware? The last I checked there were no fatalities. It was a building with issues, they had tried to fix cracks and on the eve of the collapse, they gave up
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