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Parents Named their child 'Allah'
Nandwa
#1 Posted : Wednesday, March 29, 2017 10:39:19 AM
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Can that child travel to Middle East?

Parents Elizabeth Handy and Bilal Walk want to name their 22-month-old daughter ZalyKha Graceful Lorraina Allah.
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, March 29, 2017 10:03:58 PM
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Hiyo ni bangi.
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, March 29, 2017 10:32:36 PM
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Shida iko wapi. Mungai na Wangai wamejaa huku na hawaulizwi na mtu.
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#4 Posted : Thursday, March 30, 2017 10:41:56 AM
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Kusadikika wrote:
Shida iko wapi. Mungai na Wangai wamejaa huku na hawaulizwi na mtu.

Exactly @kusadikika! It is wa-Ngai or Mu-Ngai etc... It is NOT Ngai, the Supreme Creator.

Je! Umeshamuona mtu mmoja anajiita "NGAI"???
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#5 Posted : Thursday, March 30, 2017 10:59:21 AM
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Kusadikika wrote:
Shida iko wapi. Mungai na Wangai wamejaa huku na hawaulizwi na mtu.

I thought Mungai is from the name of the disease, mumps which goes by the same name in Gikuyu?
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#6 Posted : Thursday, March 30, 2017 12:32:01 PM
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I think this is largely due to ignorance about the meaning of something. If people bothered to understand the meaning, then it would be very easy to know what one is doing.

Just like "Ngai" is Kikuyu word for the "Supreme God", and Mungai (mu-Ngai) means "of-God", or Muigai (Mu-igai) means "of-the-Devider" (historically DIVIDED the region around Kirinyaga i.e. Mt. Kenya among the 9 daughters of Mumbi)... Similarly, the Word "Allah" is Arabic word to mean "The God". Allah does not mean "God" but "THE God" i.e. the Supreme God. And by the way this Arabic word is not exclusive to Islam, but for any Arab speaking person who believes in a Supreme Creator, which include even the Arab Christians who refer to Almighty God as "Allah". So if you find an Arab person who prays to a supreme God, then he calls that supreme God ALLAH... and that person is not necessarily a Muslim.

So naming your kid "The God" will not arise if one understands the meaning. It is inappropriate because you can imagine the child becomes an adult and writes an application letter, he would sign "Yours faithfully, The God Nandwa"
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#7 Posted : Thursday, March 30, 2017 12:56:58 PM
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They should go for it. Touchy feelings should not distract them. Then the child does something great for humanity, wins a Nobel or something and they are all forced to say it.
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#8 Posted : Thursday, March 30, 2017 1:11:30 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
I think this is largely due to ignorance about the meaning of something. If people bothered to understand the meaning, then it would be very easy to know what one is doing.

Just like "Ngai" is Kikuyu word for the "Supreme God", and Mungai (mu-Ngai) means "of-God", or Muigai (Mu-igai) means "of-the-Devider" (historically DIVIDED the region around Kirinyaga i.e. Mt. Kenya among the 9 daughters of Mumbi)... Similarly, the Word "Allah" is Arabic word to mean "The God". Allah does not mean "God" but "THE God" i.e. the Supreme God. And by the way this Arabic word is not exclusive to Islam, but for any Arab speaking person who believes in a Supreme Creator, which include even the Arab Christians who refer to Almighty God as "Allah". So if you find an Arab person who prays to a supreme God, then he calls that supreme God ALLAH... and that person is not necessarily a Muslim.

So naming your kid "The God" will not arise if one understands the meaning. It is inappropriate because you can imagine the child becomes an adult and writes an application letter, he would sign "Yours faithfully, The God Nandwa"

I know a guy called NGAI... not mungai but NGAI! a kyuk fellow!
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#9 Posted : Thursday, March 30, 2017 1:12:59 PM
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They should go for it. Touchy feelings should not distract them. Then the child does something great for humanity, wins a Nobel or something and they are all forced to say it.

I'm asking is that English? Is that Arabic? If meaning means nothing to you, then by God it is gibberish, it is not English, it is not Arabic...

You see, human intelligence has enabled us to develop language, a system of communication that uses symbols in a regular way to create meaning. Having structure of a language, is a vital importance to human beings.

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Language gives us the ability communicate our intelligence to others by talking, reading, and writing. Psychologist Steven Pinker puts it: language is the 'the jewel in the crown of cognition” (Pinker, 1994). New York, NY: William Morrow. Although other species have at least some ability to communicate, none of them have language.


So if we do not care about meaning, and settle for gibberish, then we are no different from animals...
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#10 Posted : Thursday, March 30, 2017 1:22:05 PM
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masukuma wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
I think this is largely due to ignorance about the meaning of something. If people bothered to understand the meaning, then it would be very easy to know what one is doing.

Just like "Ngai" is Kikuyu word for the "Supreme God", and Mungai (mu-Ngai) means "of-God", or Muigai (Mu-igai) means "of-the-Devider" (historically DIVIDED the region around Kirinyaga i.e. Mt. Kenya among the 9 daughters of Mumbi)... Similarly, the Word "Allah" is Arabic word to mean "The God". Allah does not mean "God" but "THE God" i.e. the Supreme God. And by the way this Arabic word is not exclusive to Islam, but for any Arab speaking person who believes in a Supreme Creator, which include even the Arab Christians who refer to Almighty God as "Allah". So if you find an Arab person who prays to a supreme God, then he calls that supreme God ALLAH... and that person is not necessarily a Muslim.

So naming your kid "The God" will not arise if one understands the meaning. It is inappropriate because you can imagine the child becomes an adult and writes an application letter, he would sign "Yours faithfully, The God Nandwa"

I know a guy called NGAI... not mungai but NGAI! a kyuk fellow!
Kulikuwa a Jehova wanyonyi and co.

They are definitely impostors. They are self-proclaimed individuals who don't care about the true meaning of the names or words, or don't respect the true owner of the names. If it were the time of Gikuyu, the father of Kikuyu people, he would be summoned to face Mt. Kenya to answer charges of blasphemy.
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#11 Posted : Thursday, March 30, 2017 2:47:35 PM
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Let me share further knowledge on this...

Allah's names all have 'Al' at the beginning eg. Al-lah, Ar-Rahman, Al-Malik etc. This prefix "al' is equivalent to "The" in English, and it makes a name definite i.e. makes the noun unique. So "The God" is a being whose unique and specific who is capable of functions such as creating, resurrecting, lordship, etc. In English we refer as "Almighty God" or "Mwenyezi Mungu" in Swahili.

So it is not permissible to call a human being by these names.

But, if you want to use these names like "Allah", then we prefix "abd" to that name. "Abd" is Arabic word meaning one who is subordinated or a servant of.
So we can use "Abd" and the name of Allah e.g. Abd-allah, Abd-Malik etc

This is similar to "mu" or "wa" in Kikuyu e.g. Mu-Ngai, Wa-Ngai etc
masukuma
#12 Posted : Thursday, March 30, 2017 3:17:11 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:

They are definitely impostors. They are self-proclaimed individuals who don't care about the true meaning of the names or words, or don't respect the true owner of the names. If it were the time of Gikuyu, the father of Kikuyu people, he would be summoned to face Mt. Kenya to answer charges of blasphemy.

blasphemy is really a show of insecurity! it's what a person is labeled after pushing against the boundaries of what adherents of a certain faith consider the forgivable boundaries. but to me it's really a matter of dates! what is blasphemy today may be permissible tomorrow. And that's the reason I think it's not an offense to God but rather his henchmen - if it was offensive to God... each time someone would do it... they would 'go'! but nope... that doesn't happen. Some have argued that it's a victimless crime!
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#13 Posted : Thursday, March 30, 2017 3:28:04 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
Let me share further knowledge on this...

Allah's names all have 'Al' at the beginning eg. Al-lah, Ar-Rahman, Al-Malik etc. This prefix "al' is equivalent to "The" in English, and it makes a name definite i.e. makes the noun unique. So "The God" is a being whose unique and specific who is capable of functions such as creating, resurrecting, lordship, etc. In English we refer as "Almighty God" or "Mwenyezi Mungu" in Swahili.

So it is not permissible to call a human being by these names.

But, if you want to use these names like "Allah", then we prefix "abd" to that name. "Abd" is Arabic word meaning one who is subordinated or a servant of.
So we can use "Abd" and the name of Allah e.g. Abd-allah, Abd-Malik etc

This is similar to "mu" or "wa" in Kikuyu e.g. Mu-Ngai, Wa-Ngai etc


Or else what? What you going to do? Kill Allah?

Oh wait, it has been a trend among you folk to kill even family members who do things 'not permissible' in the name of your beliefs and religion.

What's wrong with you muslims and killing? It's just your nature!
AlphDoti
#14 Posted : Thursday, March 30, 2017 4:46:33 PM
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masukuma wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:

They are definitely impostors. They are self-proclaimed individuals who don't care about the true meaning of the names or words, or don't respect the true owner of the names. If it were the time of Gikuyu, the father of Kikuyu people, he would be summoned to face Mt. Kenya to answer charges of blasphemy.

blasphemy is really a show of insecurity! it's what a person is labeled after pushing against the boundaries of what adherents of a certain faith consider the forgivable boundaries. but to me it's really a matter of dates! what is blasphemy today may be permissible tomorrow. And that's the reason I think it's not an offense to God but rather his henchmen - if it was offensive to God... each time someone would do it... they would 'go'! but nope... that doesn't happen. Some have argued that it's a victimless crime!

@mavegs, we cannot mix believe with disbelieve.

If you are a believer in Supreme Being, then you know what blasphemy is.

But if you are an atheist and you do no believe in The God the creator, then what does it concern you what believers do? You would be meddling in what does not concern you.

If you are atheist, then leave religious stuff alone as long as no one forces you to it. Leave their names alone. Use atheist names...
masukuma
#15 Posted : Thursday, March 30, 2017 5:21:51 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
masukuma wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:

They are definitely impostors. They are self-proclaimed individuals who don't care about the true meaning of the names or words, or don't respect the true owner of the names. If it were the time of Gikuyu, the father of Kikuyu people, he would be summoned to face Mt. Kenya to answer charges of blasphemy.

blasphemy is really a show of insecurity! it's what a person is labeled after pushing against the boundaries of what adherents of a certain faith consider the forgivable boundaries. but to me it's really a matter of dates! what is blasphemy today may be permissible tomorrow. And that's the reason I think it's not an offense to God but rather his henchmen - if it was offensive to God... each time someone would do it... they would 'go'! but nope... that doesn't happen. Some have argued that it's a victimless crime!

@mavegs, we cannot mix believe with disbelieve.

If you are a believer in Supreme Being, then you know what blasphemy is.

But if you are an atheist and you do no believe in The God the creator, then what does it concern you what believers do? You would be meddling in what does not concern you.

If you are atheist, then leave religious stuff alone as long as no one forces you to it. Leave their names alone. Use atheist names...

no... not really! religion does not own God!! God is not a muslim or is he/she a christian!

The thing is... you don't own God! Again... the repercussions of 'blasphemy' are real and not imaginary or unseen (someone said the two look very much the same - but that is a different story) and can affect believers and non believers. While atheists may argue about the existence of God no one argues about the repercussions of blasphemy and who does the 'enforcement'.
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#16 Posted : Thursday, March 30, 2017 5:56:07 PM
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That's confusing a child. Whenever people go down to pray the child will either answer to believers calling Allah or will wonder why people keep calling out her name.
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#17 Posted : Thursday, March 30, 2017 6:24:54 PM
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masukuma wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
masukuma wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:

They are definitely impostors. They are self-proclaimed individuals who don't care about the true meaning of the names or words, or don't respect the true owner of the names. If it were the time of Gikuyu, the father of Kikuyu people, he would be summoned to face Mt. Kenya to answer charges of blasphemy.

blasphemy is really a show of insecurity! it's what a person is labeled after pushing against the boundaries of what adherents of a certain faith consider the forgivable boundaries. but to me it's really a matter of dates! what is blasphemy today may be permissible tomorrow. And that's the reason I think it's not an offense to God but rather his henchmen - if it was offensive to God... each time someone would do it... they would 'go'! but nope... that doesn't happen. Some have argued that it's a victimless crime!

@mavegs, we cannot mix believe with disbelieve.

If you are a believer in Supreme Being, then you know what blasphemy is.

But if you are an atheist and you do no believe in The God the creator, then what does it concern you what believers do? You would be meddling in what does not concern you.

If you are atheist, then leave religious stuff alone as long as no one forces you to it. Leave their names alone. Use atheist names...

no... not really! religion does not own God!! God is not a muslim or is he/she a christian!

The thing is... you don't own God! Again... the repercussions of 'blasphemy' are real and not imaginary or unseen (someone said the two look very much the same - but that is a different story) and can affect believers and non believers. While atheists may argue about the existence of God no one argues about the repercussions of blasphemy and who does the 'enforcement'.

@mavegs, no one said anyone owns God. I think you read your own stuff there.

My point is, we cannot mix believe in God (of course if you believe in Supreme God then by extension you accept the repercussions of 'blasphemy'). You cannot mix that with disbelieve in God.

The point is, if you do not believe in the existence of God, why does it concern you the names of that God and what those believers believe in? Why do you want to associate yourself with what you don’t believe in?
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#18 Posted : Thursday, March 30, 2017 10:53:01 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:

@mavegs, no one said anyone owns God. I think you read your own stuff there.

My point is, we cannot mix believe in God (of course if you believe in Supreme God then by extension you accept the repercussions of 'blasphemy'). You cannot mix that with disbelieve in God.

The point is, if you do not believe in the existence of God, why does it concern you the names of that God and what those believers believe in? Why do you want to associate yourself with what you don’t believe in?

My point is the repercussions of blasphemy are rarely felt by adherents of the faith whose deity and/or chief messenger has been 'insulted' but rather by a minority of the population that don't give 2 f*cks about the religion and it's deities. A good example is the Pakistani blasphemy laws... when I lived there Christians and Hindus were being arrested all over! the case of Asia Bibi was very prominent when I was there... she has been condemned to death for asking the question - "I believe in my religion and in Jesus Christ, who died on the cross for the sins of mankind. What did your Prophet Mohammed ever do to save mankind?" after muslims made derogatory statements about her religion. Heck the case got so touchy until the then governor of Punjab was shot by his body guard coz he lobbied for Asia to get pardoned by the president and denounced section 295-C of the Pakistan Penal Code (aka the notorious blasphemy laws) that say
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Whoever by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representation or by any imputation, innuendo, or insinuation, directly or indirectly, defiles the sacred name of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) shall be punished with death, or imprisonment for life, and shall also be liable to fine
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AlphDoti
#19 Posted : Thursday, March 30, 2017 11:17:33 PM
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@masukuma, as we have agreed before, nobody should be prevented to practice his or her religion. And nobody should discredit the name of any personality in any other religion. These personalities must be accorded respect i.e. Moses, or Abraham, Jesus, or Muhammad, or God.

I have told you many times again and again, Muslims love and respect all prophets of God from Abraham, to Moses, to David, to Jesus to Muhammad peace be upon them all.

So no atheist should discredit these personalities just coz they don't believe in. They should not mock their names coz it does not concern them. Similarly a Christian should respect these personalities even if they don't believe in them. Saying "What did your Prophet Mohammed ever do to save mankind?" by that lady you quoted perhaps were derogatory. Such words should not be directed at any other religion...

masukuma wrote:
she has been condemned to death for asking the question - "What did your Prophet Mohammed ever do to save mankind?" after muslims made derogatory statements about her religion.
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#20 Posted : Friday, March 31, 2017 10:41:50 AM
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I remember a news story about an Asian Muslim majority Country where the Muslims objected to the use of the word “Allah” by Christians to refer to their (Christian) God!
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