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How are corruption proceeds shared?
KulaRaha
#1 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2016 11:12:59 AM
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So say I pull a tender and get paid 100M.

How is the loot shared? Who gets what? How much am I left with in the end?
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
tycho
#2 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2016 11:28:24 AM
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Are you looking for the laws of corruption proceeds distribution?

Well, for an outsider, the best way I'd go about your question is by developing a 'world model' of corruption test it on a simulator then come up with distribution approximations, then test till I get the best approximations. Which is quite tedious.

So I'll let @alma to answer from personal experience.
Swenani
#3 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2016 11:28:43 AM
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KulaRaha wrote:
So say I pull a tender and get paid 100M.

How is the loot shared? Who gets what? How much am I left with in the end?


Depending with your experience in looting, you might end up with nothing or you retain at least 30%. But @Harrydre can confirm!
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
KulaRaha
#4 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2016 11:38:11 AM
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Only 30%? Who gets the rest?
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
Impunity
#5 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2016 12:19:03 PM
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KulaRaha wrote:
So say I pull a tender and get paid 100M.

How is the loot shared? Who gets what? How much am I left with in the end?


Depends on your hierachy on the chain!
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Swenani
#6 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2016 12:29:12 PM
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KulaRaha wrote:
Only 30%? Who gets the rest?


1Procurement guys
2.Finance guys
3.Internal audit guys
4.Treasury guys
5.Political connected guys
6.Procurement cartels

30% is the highest one group gets due to risk exposure
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
timizo
#7 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2016 12:58:41 PM
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Swenani wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Only 30%? Who gets the rest?


1Procurement guys
2.Finance guys
3.Internal audit guys
4.Treasury guys
5.Political connected guys
6.Procurement cartels

30% is the highest one group gets due to risk exposure


Where are the Politicians in this list? I mean your elected leaders? We are wiser than you think.
KulaRaha
#8 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2016 1:36:10 PM
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timizo wrote:
Swenani wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Only 30%? Who gets the rest?


1Procurement guys
2.Finance guys
3.Internal audit guys
4.Treasury guys
5.Political connected guys
6.Procurement cartels

30% is the highest one group gets due to risk exposure


Where are the Politicians in this list? I mean your elected leaders? We are wiser than you think.


So it may look like this:

1.Procurement guys 10%
2.Finance guys 10%
3.Internal audit guys 10%
4.Treasury guys 10%
5.Political connected guys - who are these?
6.Procurement cartels - false excuses, who are these?
7.Elected Leaders 30%
8.Me 30%
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
whiteowl
#9 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2016 1:50:42 PM
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Usually 20 to 40℅. You should ensure the sum total is well inflated so that your share is palatable.
Iganamagana
#10 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2016 1:54:54 PM
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KulaRaha wrote:
timizo wrote:
Swenani wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Only 30%? Who gets the rest?


1Procurement guys
2.Finance guys
3.Internal audit guys
4.Treasury guys
5.Political connected guys
6.Procurement cartels

30% is the highest one group gets due to risk exposure


Where are the Politicians in this list? I mean your elected leaders? We are wiser than you think.


So it may look like this:

1.Procurement guys 10%
2.Finance guys 10%
3.Internal audit guys 10%
4.Treasury guys 10%
5.Political connected guys - who are these?
6.Procurement cartels - false excuses, who are these?
7.Elected Leaders 30%
8.Me 30%


NO!

Like this:

1.Procurement guys 10%
2.Finance guys 10%
3.Internal audit guys 10%
4.Treasury guys 10%
5.Politicians & Political fixers (wrong numbers if you know what I mean)- 50%
6.Procurement cartels - false excuses, who are these? These are wheeler dealers in social places with three phones driving Toyota VX's but report to no particular office. They "know people" and act as errand boys for the fixers and politicians- 5%.
7.Me 5% (You are just used as a conduit and can be dispensed with or substituted easily.
urstill1
#11 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2016 2:02:37 PM
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Iganamagana wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
timizo wrote:
Swenani wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Only 30%? Who gets the rest?


1Procurement guys
2.Finance guys
3.Internal audit guys
4.Treasury guys
5.Political connected guys
6.Procurement cartels

30% is the highest one group gets due to risk exposure


Where are the Politicians in this list? I mean your elected leaders? We are wiser than you think.


So it may look like this:

1.Procurement guys 10%
2.Finance guys 10%
3.Internal audit guys 10%
4.Treasury guys 10%
5.Political connected guys - who are these?
6.Procurement cartels - false excuses, who are these?
7.Elected Leaders 30%
8.Me 30%


NO!

Like this:

1.Procurement guys 10%
2.Finance guys 10%
3.Internal audit guys 10%
4.Treasury guys 10%
5.Politicians & Political fixers (wrong numbers if you know what I mean)- 50%
6.Procurement cartels - false excuses, who are these? These are wheeler dealers in social places with three phones driving Toyota VX's but report to no particular office. They "know people" and act as errand boys for the fixers and politicians- 5%.
7.Me 5% (You are just used as a conduit and can be dispensed with or substituted easily.


Does that apply when you have supplied air?
Intelligentsia
#12 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2016 2:22:22 PM
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Chissos, is sounds like a uni course, CORRUPTION UNIT 101
masukuma
#13 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2016 2:26:59 PM
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Intelligentsia wrote:
Chissos, is sounds like a uni course, CORRUPTION UNIT 101

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Wealth distribution! Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Enyewe food chain ni mrefu!
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
Njung'e
#14 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2016 3:35:18 PM
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masukuma wrote:
Intelligentsia wrote:
Chissos, is sounds like a uni course, CORRUPTION UNIT 101

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Wealth distribution! Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Enyewe food chain ni mrefu!


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly ....Can't believe what's being discussed here but again, i am at a point where, like many more Kenyans, i accept. Can we begin with the basics?. I mean,"Introduction to corruption" and then move through systematically ( I think the last topic will be how to spend your loot)Pray
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
sitaki.kujulikana
#15 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2016 4:00:33 PM
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timizo wrote:
Swenani wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Only 30%? Who gets the rest?


1Procurement guys
2.Finance guys
3.Internal audit guys
4.Treasury guys
5.Political connected guys
6.Procurement cartels

30% is the highest one group gets due to risk exposure


Where are the Politicians in this list? I mean your elected leaders? We are wiser than you think.

Angelica _ann
#16 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2016 4:01:11 PM
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Njung'e wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Intelligentsia wrote:
Chissos, is sounds like a uni course, CORRUPTION UNIT 101

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Wealth distribution! Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Enyewe food chain ni mrefu!


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly ....Can't believe what's being discussed here but again, i am at a point where, like many more Kenyans, i accept. Can we begin with the basics?. I mean,"Introduction to corruption" and then move through systematically ( I think the last topic will be how to spend your loot)Pray

We are at accept stage Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
AlphDoti
#17 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2016 4:10:26 PM
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Njung'e wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Intelligentsia wrote:
Chissos, is sounds like a uni course, CORRUPTION UNIT 101

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Wealth distribution! Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Enyewe food chain ni mrefu!

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly ....Can't believe what's being discussed here but again, i am at a point where, like many more Kenyans, i accept. Can we begin with the basics?. I mean,"Introduction to corruption" and then move through systematically ( I think the last topic will be how to spend your loot)Pray

Definition of Corruption: Stealing public money is nothing wrong. The only wrong thing is being arrested. But with compromised judiciary, "sullendered" president, and "eating" police... the definition is complete.
AlphDoti
#18 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2016 4:20:36 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Njung'e wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Intelligentsia wrote:
Chissos, is sounds like a uni course, CORRUPTION UNIT 101

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Wealth distribution! Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Enyewe food chain ni mrefu!

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly ....Can't believe what's being discussed here but again, i am at a point where, like many more Kenyans, i accept. Can we begin with the basics?. I mean,"Introduction to corruption" and then move through systematically ( I think the last topic will be how to spend your loot)Pray

We are at accept stage Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

@angel, don't say "we accept", say "we sullender", or better still "I sullender" Angel
Angelica _ann
#19 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2016 4:34:54 PM
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There are also those who eat bigger chunks by exaggerating the people in tier lineup smile
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
kaka2za
#20 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2016 4:58:08 PM
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Iganamagana wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
timizo wrote:
Swenani wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Only 30%? Who gets the rest?


1Procurement guys
2.Finance guys
3.Internal audit guys
4.Treasury guys
5.Political connected guys
6.Procurement cartels

30% is the highest one group gets due to risk exposure


Where are the Politicians in this list? I mean your elected leaders? We are wiser than you think.


So it may look like this:

1.Procurement guys 10%
2.Finance guys 10%
3.Internal audit guys 10%
4.Treasury guys 10%
5.Political connected guys - who are these?
6.Procurement cartels - false excuses, who are these?
7.Elected Leaders 30%
8.Me 30%


NO!

Like this:

1.Procurement guys 10%
2.Finance guys 10%
3.Internal audit guys 10%
4.Treasury guys 10%
5.Politicians & Political fixers (wrong numbers if you know what I mean)- 50%
6.Procurement cartels - false excuses, who are these? These are wheeler dealers in social places with three phones driving Toyota VX's but report to no particular office. They "know people" and act as errand boys for the fixers and politicians- 5%.
7.Me 5% (You are just used as a conduit and can be dispensed with or substituted easily.


So Kabura got only 5% and the Puppeteers the rest?!
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Wrong forever on the throne
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