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I have just watched this LINKThis man Uhuru is a genuine authoritative leader who has the bollocks of a King - Jomo himself. He has asked tough questions on this clip. Auditor general was there coiling like a decapitated earthworm when H.E. Uhuru (CGH) asked him to say who has stolen Eurobond. Halake Waqo was grinning like a goat when H.E. asked him what he has done with the list that H.E. himself read in parliament. Justice Kihara could not answer the question why the cases are still pending in court. Githogo was not present. He instead prefers to talk about corruption to foreigners in NGO forums. Clearly he has no balls (no wonder he could not tune a woman to marry until when he got to 50 years of age). Now Sisyphus Bupamba should tell Kenyans how Kenyan government conspired with the U.S.(USA) governmet to steal Eurobond money. In the long and short of it...Uhuru tena Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
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He actually sounded so'M'ber  Ati 'Ngai...'
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. Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
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Please explain to us who did not understand. Did he mean that there's no corruption in Kenya or Did he mean that his own officers like Halakhe lied to him or Did he blame everyone else but himself for not tackling corruption Please write slowly since I'm a bit confused. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Fyatu wrote:I have just watched this LINKThis man Uhuru is a genuine authoritative leader who has the bollocks of a King - Jomo himself. He has asked tough questions on this clip. Auditor general was there coiling like a decapitated earthworm when H.E. Uhuru (CGH) asked him to say who has stolen Eurobond. Halake Waqo was grinning like a goat when H.E. asked him what he has done with the list that H.E. himself read in parliament. Justice Kihara could not answer the question why the cases are still pending in court. Githogo was not present. He instead prefers to talk about corruption to foreigners in NGO forums. Clearly he has no balls (no wonder he could not tune a woman to marry until when he got to 50 years of age). Now Sisyphus Bupamba should tell Kenyans how Kenyan government conspired with the U.S.(USA) governmet to steal Eurobond money. In the long and short of it...Uhuru tena Must be love... serious manlove "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/20/2011 Posts: 1,820 Location: Nakuru
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alma1 wrote:Please explain to us who did not understand.
Did he mean that there's no corruption in Kenya or Did he mean that his own officers like Halakhe lied to him or Did he blame everyone else but himself for not tackling corruption
Please write slowly since I'm a bit confused. He acknowledged there is corruption... He acknowledged that Halake and co did their job 2 years ago and gave him a list in which some people were fired....they did not fire themselves Uhuru Kenyatta fired them He asked Halake whether work at EACC stopped with those in the list (Its been two years since the "name and Shame." He exonerated himself saying that his work is firing but not to prosecute ( I know gongos will lead some people to interpret this to mean blaming everyone else but ni sawa tu) He asked Auditor General to tell Kenyans kinag ubaga what his audit of Eurobond has yielded. To name and shame whoever the eurobond trail leads to but obviously Ouko is dancing to some other tune somewhere. i have tried to write srowry as lequested Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/20/2011 Posts: 1,820 Location: Nakuru
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Fyatu wrote:I have just watched this LINKThis man Uhuru is a genuine authoritative leader who has the bollocks of a King - Jomo himself. He has asked tough questions on this clip. Auditor general was there coiling like a decapitated earthworm when H.E. Uhuru (CGH) asked him to say who has stolen Eurobond. Halake Waqo was grinning like a goat when H.E. asked him what he has done with the list that H.E. himself read in parliament. Justice Kihara could not answer the question why the cases are still pending in court. Githogo was not present. He instead prefers to talk about corruption to foreigners in NGO forums. Clearly he has no balls (no wonder he could not tune a woman to marry until when he got to 50 years of age). Now Sisyphus Bupamba should tell Kenyans how Kenyan government conspired with the U.S.(USA) governmet to steal Eurobond money. In the long and short of it...Uhuru tena Must be love... serious manlove Ni kukula nyama wengine wakimeza mate.....Kiti imekaliwa squarely. Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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Fyatu wrote:alma1 wrote:Please explain to us who did not understand.
Did he mean that there's no corruption in Kenya or Did he mean that his own officers like Halakhe lied to him or Did he blame everyone else but himself for not tackling corruption
Please write slowly since I'm a bit confused. He acknowledged there is corruption... He acknowledged that Halake and co did their job 2 years ago and gave him a list in which some people were fired....they did not fire themselves Uhuru Kenyatta fired them He asked Halake whether work at EACC stopped with those in the list (Its been two years since the "name and Shame." He exonerated himself saying that his work is firing but not to prosecute ( I know gongos will lead some people to interpret this to mean blaming everyone else but ni sawa tu) He asked Auditor General to tell Kenyans kinag ubaga what his audit of Eurobond has yielded. To name and shame whoever the eurobond trail leads to but obviously Ouko is some other tune somewhere. i have tried to write srowry as lequested Thanks for writing srowry as lequested Now I'm even more confused. If Halakhe did his job, who failed in his job? If his work is firing, who's not prosecuting? I'll tell you why I'm more confused. We are having another seminar on corruption in Kenya. The executive blames the prosecutor, the prosecutor blames the police, the police blame the judges, then we have another seminar At the new seminar, the judges blame the police, the police blame the prosecutor, the prosecutor blames the executive and the executive blames Halakhe. Just in time for another seminar Where everyone blames everyone else Where does the buck stop...Fyatu...Did this new seminar come to a conclusion on who's to blame for corruption? Or do we wait for the next seminar? Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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alma1 wrote:Fyatu wrote:alma1 wrote:Please explain to us who did not understand.
Did he mean that there's no corruption in Kenya or Did he mean that his own officers like Halakhe lied to him or Did he blame everyone else but himself for not tackling corruption
Please write slowly since I'm a bit confused. He acknowledged there is corruption... He acknowledged that Halake and co did their job 2 years ago and gave him a list in which some people were fired....they did not fire themselves Uhuru Kenyatta fired them He asked Halake whether work at EACC stopped with those in the list (Its been two years since the "name and Shame." He exonerated himself saying that his work is firing but not to prosecute ( I know gongos will lead some people to interpret this to mean blaming everyone else but ni sawa tu) He asked Auditor General to tell Kenyans kinag ubaga what his audit of Eurobond has yielded. To name and shame whoever the eurobond trail leads to but obviously Ouko is some other tune somewhere. i have tried to write srowry as lequested Thanks for writing srowry as lequested Now I'm even more confused. If Halakhe did his job, who failed in his job? If his work is firing, who's not prosecuting? I'll tell you why I'm more confused. We are having another seminar on corruption in Kenya. The executive blames the prosecutor, the prosecutor blames the police, the police blame the judges, then we have another seminar At the new seminar, the judges blame the police, the police blame the prosecutor, the prosecutor blames the executive and the executive blames Halakhe. Just in time for another seminar Where everyone blames everyone else Where does the buck stop...Fyatu...Did this new seminar come to a conclusion on who's to blame for corruption? Or do we wait for the next seminar? The constitution "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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alma1 wrote:Fyatu wrote:alma1 wrote:Please explain to us who did not understand.
Did he mean that there's no corruption in Kenya or Did he mean that his own officers like Halakhe lied to him or Did he blame everyone else but himself for not tackling corruption
Please write slowly since I'm a bit confused. He acknowledged there is corruption... He acknowledged that Halake and co did their job 2 years ago and gave him a list in which some people were fired....they did not fire themselves Uhuru Kenyatta fired them He asked Halake whether work at EACC stopped with those in the list (Its been two years since the "name and Shame." He exonerated himself saying that his work is firing but not to prosecute ( I know gongos will lead some people to interpret this to mean blaming everyone else but ni sawa tu) He asked Auditor General to tell Kenyans kinag ubaga what his audit of Eurobond has yielded. To name and shame whoever the eurobond trail leads to but obviously Ouko is some other tune somewhere. i have tried to write srowry as lequested Thanks for writing srowry as lequested Now I'm even more confused. If Halakhe did his job, who failed in his job? If his work is firing, who's not prosecuting? I'll tell you why I'm more confused. We are having another seminar on corruption in Kenya. The executive blames the prosecutor, the prosecutor blames the police, the police blame the judges, then we have another seminar At the new seminar, the judges blame the police, the police blame the prosecutor, the prosecutor blames the executive and the executive blames Halakhe. Just in time for another seminar
Where everyone blames everyone else Where does the buck stop...Fyatu...Did this new seminar come to a conclusion on who's to blame for corruption? Or do we wait for the next seminar? that summit was a buck passing summit that wont help in fighting corruption. It is apparent that fighting corruption constitutionally wont work in kenya it simply is a game of musical chairs and when the music stops, dear wanjiku is left standing, since everyone involved has done their part and cant be blamed. To the president, why cant you just declare a state of emergency and issue an executive order suspending the constitution where corruption is involved, then set up set up an independent institution with investigative, prosecutorial and judging powers who will derive their authority from the executive order as opposed to the constitution, this will bypass the supposed hurdles the president was talking about at the summit. Unless something of this sort is done, the president is not sincere about fighting corruption, he has the power to do this but he wont 'One headache for famous medieval holy people was that someone might murder you to acquire your body parts for the relics trade'
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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Ahhh At last a resolution Corruption in Kenya is because of the constitution. Please inform us on the next dates for the next seminar and speech on Corruption in Kenya. Maybe next time we shall blame Global Warming Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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murchr wrote:alma1 wrote:Fyatu wrote:alma1 wrote:Please explain to us who did not understand.
Did he mean that there's no corruption in Kenya or Did he mean that his own officers like Halakhe lied to him or Did he blame everyone else but himself for not tackling corruption
Please write slowly since I'm a bit confused. He acknowledged there is corruption... He acknowledged that Halake and co did their job 2 years ago and gave him a list in which some people were fired....they did not fire themselves Uhuru Kenyatta fired them He asked Halake whether work at EACC stopped with those in the list (Its been two years since the "name and Shame." He exonerated himself saying that his work is firing but not to prosecute ( I know gongos will lead some people to interpret this to mean blaming everyone else but ni sawa tu) He asked Auditor General to tell Kenyans kinag ubaga what his audit of Eurobond has yielded. To name and shame whoever the eurobond trail leads to but obviously Ouko is some other tune somewhere. i have tried to write srowry as lequested Thanks for writing srowry as lequested Now I'm even more confused. If Halakhe did his job, who failed in his job? If his work is firing, who's not prosecuting? I'll tell you why I'm more confused. We are having another seminar on corruption in Kenya. The executive blames the prosecutor, the prosecutor blames the police, the police blame the judges, then we have another seminar At the new seminar, the judges blame the police, the police blame the prosecutor, the prosecutor blames the executive and the executive blames Halakhe. Just in time for another seminar Where everyone blames everyone else Where does the buck stop...Fyatu...Did this new seminar come to a conclusion on who's to blame for corruption? Or do we wait for the next seminar? The constitution You guys like riding on the constitution to cover inefficiencies and lack of effectiveness of our kings In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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Angelica _ann wrote:murchr wrote:alma1 wrote:Fyatu wrote:alma1 wrote:Please explain to us who did not understand.
Did he mean that there's no corruption in Kenya or Did he mean that his own officers like Halakhe lied to him or Did he blame everyone else but himself for not tackling corruption
Please write slowly since I'm a bit confused. He acknowledged there is corruption... He acknowledged that Halake and co did their job 2 years ago and gave him a list in which some people were fired....they did not fire themselves Uhuru Kenyatta fired them He asked Halake whether work at EACC stopped with those in the list (Its been two years since the "name and Shame." He exonerated himself saying that his work is firing but not to prosecute ( I know gongos will lead some people to interpret this to mean blaming everyone else but ni sawa tu) He asked Auditor General to tell Kenyans kinag ubaga what his audit of Eurobond has yielded. To name and shame whoever the eurobond trail leads to but obviously Ouko is some other tune somewhere. i have tried to write srowry as lequested Thanks for writing srowry as lequested Now I'm even more confused. If Halakhe did his job, who failed in his job? If his work is firing, who's not prosecuting? I'll tell you why I'm more confused. We are having another seminar on corruption in Kenya. The executive blames the prosecutor, the prosecutor blames the police, the police blame the judges, then we have another seminar At the new seminar, the judges blame the police, the police blame the prosecutor, the prosecutor blames the executive and the executive blames Halakhe. Just in time for another seminar Where everyone blames everyone else Where does the buck stop...Fyatu...Did this new seminar come to a conclusion on who's to blame for corruption? Or do we wait for the next seminar? The constitution You guys like riding on the constitution to cover inefficiencies and lack of effectiveness of our kings It's like Kenya is the only country with a constitution. It's so easy to jail a chicken thief with this constitution but impossible to jail a multi million thief. How quaint. Even Moi is blaming his corruption ridden gov't to the constitution. Constitution constitution. Where's Maghufuli? Aonyeshe hawa watu how to stop a policeman from taking a bribe? Ohhh the constitution made me not arrest that fellow for stealing land. ohhhh, ohhh ohhh I'll just wait here for the next seminar schedule. I know there's a speech being prepared somewhere on corruption killing the Kenyan economy. Coming to a state function near you. ohhh boy! Hii Konyagi inahitaji round 2. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/20/2011 Posts: 1,820 Location: Nakuru
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alma1 wrote:Fyatu wrote:alma1 wrote:Please explain to us who did not understand.
Did he mean that there's no corruption in Kenya or Did he mean that his own officers like Halakhe lied to him or Did he blame everyone else but himself for not tackling corruption
Please write slowly since I'm a bit confused. He acknowledged there is corruption... He acknowledged that Halake and co did their job 2 years ago and gave him a list in which some people were fired....they did not fire themselves Uhuru Kenyatta fired them He asked Halake whether work at EACC stopped with those in the list (Its been two years since the "name and Shame." He exonerated himself saying that his work is firing but not to prosecute ( I know gongos will lead some people to interpret this to mean blaming everyone else but ni sawa tu) He asked Auditor General to tell Kenyans kinag ubaga what his audit of Eurobond has yielded. To name and shame whoever the eurobond trail leads to but obviously Ouko is some other tune somewhere. i have tried to write srowry as lequested Thanks for writing srowry as lequested Now I'm even more confused. If Halakhe did his job, who failed in his job? If his work is firing, who's not prosecuting? I'll tell you why I'm more confused. We are having another seminar on corruption in Kenya. The executive blames the prosecutor, the prosecutor blames the police, the police blame the judges, then we have another seminar At the new seminar, the judges blame the police, the police blame the prosecutor, the prosecutor blames the executive and the executive blames Halakhe. Just in time for another seminar Where everyone blames everyone else Where does the buck stop...Fyatu...Did this new seminar come to a conclusion on who's to blame for corruption? Or do we wait for the next seminar? I beg to digress a little bit and refer to the thread about Rais Magufuli... The so called MBA's have faulted H.E. Pombes approach to the war against incompetence and corruption in TZ. Other wazuans have rightly argued that it would be impossible H.E. Pombe to pull such stunts in Kenya. Why?....meza mate kidogo (no pun).. THE CONSTITUTION MUST BE UPHELDNow back to your question? QUESTION:If Halakhe did his job, who failed in his job? ANSWER: I don't understand this question...it is an ambiguous question...i can easily answer that my housegirl failed to prepare breakfast on time for my kids and that is why they were late to catch the school bus and correctly answer this question. QUESTION: Whose work is to prosecute? ANSWER: DPP QUESTION: Where does the buck stop? ANSWER1: It stops at EACC and Halake Waqo has investigated and delivered many lists albeit rarely. However, Halake has not been doing a good job educating Kenyans on corruption as well as investigating counties and corporates (e.g., It took deloitte to expose the scam at KQ) ANSWER 2: It stops at the Presidency. H.E. The President of Kenya fired all those in government who were mentioned. Others like Waiguru fired themselves. ANSWER 3: The office DPP and Judiciary. A week or so ago a former MP and her husband were sentenced for eating CDF money. The DPP and Judicial system have to send more of these thieves to the gallows. ANSWER 4: Finally, the buck also stops with you and me. I personally have made a decision to queue and wait for my time in government offices and not give kitu kikubwa to government officers or cops at the roadblock QUESTION:Did this new seminar come to a conclusion on who's to blame for corruption? ANSWER: The AG conceded that the Judiciary has let Kenyans down in this war. They (judiciary) even suggested as way of making amends - the setting up of a special court complete with live TV coverage to expedite cases.(I hope CJ Magara will push for this) QUESTION: Or do we wait for the next seminar? ANSWER: It was not a seminar...it was a summit. It was the first one on corruption, there has never been another one... I am also confused why the judiciary, the DPP are not expediting the cases and delivering verdicts (guilty or not guilty) as stipulated in our overated constitution 2010 which some quarters of the political divide deem as their "legacy"...their gift to Kenyans. Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
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Corruption is in Kenya because of you and me.
It all boils down to individual behaviours?
If you can bribe that cop with 500 bob why do you feel bad when Waiguru greases Waqo with 23,000,000.00 bob.
Its one and the same thing.
And I agree with my prezzo, its one of the hardest thing to fight in any African country .Why? because the people themselves lack integrity!
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Incoherent speech, incoherent flow of ideas, ducking responsibility, energies focussed on trying to regain . . . . They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Angelica _ann wrote:murchr wrote:alma1 wrote:Fyatu wrote:alma1 wrote:Please explain to us who did not understand.
Did he mean that there's no corruption in Kenya or Did he mean that his own officers like Halakhe lied to him or Did he blame everyone else but himself for not tackling corruption
Please write slowly since I'm a bit confused. He acknowledged there is corruption... He acknowledged that Halake and co did their job 2 years ago and gave him a list in which some people were fired....they did not fire themselves Uhuru Kenyatta fired them He asked Halake whether work at EACC stopped with those in the list (Its been two years since the "name and Shame." He exonerated himself saying that his work is firing but not to prosecute ( I know gongos will lead some people to interpret this to mean blaming everyone else but ni sawa tu) He asked Auditor General to tell Kenyans kinag ubaga what his audit of Eurobond has yielded. To name and shame whoever the eurobond trail leads to but obviously Ouko is some other tune somewhere. i have tried to write srowry as lequested Thanks for writing srowry as lequested Now I'm even more confused. If Halakhe did his job, who failed in his job? If his work is firing, who's not prosecuting? I'll tell you why I'm more confused. We are having another seminar on corruption in Kenya. The executive blames the prosecutor, the prosecutor blames the police, the police blame the judges, then we have another seminar At the new seminar, the judges blame the police, the police blame the prosecutor, the prosecutor blames the executive and the executive blames Halakhe. Just in time for another seminar Where everyone blames everyone else Where does the buck stop...Fyatu...Did this new seminar come to a conclusion on who's to blame for corruption? Or do we wait for the next seminar? The constitution You guys like riding on the constitution to cover inefficiencies and lack of effectiveness of our kings @Angel. Ngilu was accused of corruption, and she was fired. - Executive decision. She was taken to court and charged by the prosecutor (independent office created by constitution with a security of tenure) The judge keeps pushing the hearing after listening to one witness or receiving one submission. Who is suffering? The accused? The accuser? Or the person who the injustice was committed? What's keeping these cases in court for years? Is it the lack of evidence or sheer incompetence? The constitution is very clear Quote:50. (1) Every person has the right to have any dispute that can be resolved by the application of law decided in a fair and public hearing before a court or, if appropriate, another independent and impartial tribunal or body.
(2) Every accused person has the right to a fair trial, "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/20/2011 Posts: 1,820 Location: Nakuru
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IG of police Boinnet had this to say LINKDumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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Fyatu, that's the best answer ever given for this gov't by anyone. It did not include Raila in it and none of the usual political matope we get here. I'm happy that something may have come out of the "seminar" But heck I'm not holding my breath. I'll tell you why. As long as the cops on my road are taking 50 bob from every matatu, there's no way the common man shall even imagine corruption is even being fought. I know you like Uhuru. But my friend as long as he's not seen being serious about this issue, no amount of "seminars" shall change that with the eyes of the common man. Please note that the only reason this gov't is winning any election is because of Raila. But no one on the ground believes a word its saying about corruption. It may be a sad thing it may even be unfair. It's just the way things are on the ground. So go back to your seminar and tell them to seem like they are serious. Not blaming everyone including mother Teresa for their failure. It's a failure of gov't when gov't employees are perceived to take hongo. And don't you dare use that hongo inaanza na wewe crap. That's bullshit and you know it. Deal with this issue and be seen to be dealing with this issue. f*** the seminars and just do something about it. The people will know when this gov't is serious. Right now, we think its another program like Vioja Mahakamani. If IG Boinett knows that its the public that are bribing his 4% corrupt officers, then I suggest the following: 1. Arrest the 4% corrupt officers he knows about 2. Arrest the public That's his constitutional mandate. Once he arrests the above two culprits, then we can turn our fire to the DPP et al Hii ingine ni Seminar. By the way did you know that in Maghufuli land, in Seminars, you only get served Tea without biscuits. That can also go a long way to reducing the number of seminars that are needed and get people to work instead. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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