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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Just stumbled upon some TV programme moderated by Victoria Rubadiri. They just told a group of young men to call their fathers and tell them that they love them. Yaani you call mzee and tell him "Mzee, nakupenda sana" Mimi sijawahi ona upuzi kama huo. No wonder I don't watch TV. Wacha nikasome.
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,909
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better tell him while both of you are well and alive In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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If a son tell his old school dad that he loves him, the father will never look at the son in the same way forever....Infact, the old man might die early due to stress If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/23/2014 Posts: 1,652
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Swenani wrote:If a son tell his old school dad that he loves him, the father will never look at the son in the same way forever....Infact, the old man might die early due to stress Kabisa.It is unafrican and unacceptable.Kuna moja ilifanywa na capital fm kitambo.. Hutia Mundu!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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Wamunyota wrote:Swenani wrote:If a son tell his old school dad that he loves him, the father will never look at the son in the same way forever....Infact, the old man might die early due to stress Kabisa.It is unafrican and unacceptable.Kuna moja ilifanywa na capital fm kitambo.. this clip was done like 10 years ago and still holds true... one of the most difficult things Fathers and grown up Sons can say to each other. Just tucked my son in bed and i told him i love him... not sure where that whole thing breaks but i guess for us africans we would rather sell our houses and everything to make our kids lives better than whisper those 3 words.. We were not socialized in this... (not in our culture). I suspect suspect if I called my dad and said those words it would be Quote:Me: Dad... I love you! Dad: what's wrong?
for some people here it would go like Quote:Son: Dad... I love you! Dad: what do you want?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Mine passed on close to a decade ago. He never uttered those words but I never doubted his love for me and my siblings. He showed it by his actions! That was enough. Hata mimi sitaki kushinda nimeambiwa nimependwa. Kwani some of these guys like Pst Simon Mbevi and Ian want to turn men into women? Then they're pushing us to cry...I can count the number of times I've cried since class 6 Let's just leave man the way he is
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/19/2010 Posts: 1,308 Location: nairobi metropolitan
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It is the way we are socialised. I mean which boy child does not love his father? Democracy does not belong to the dead
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,703
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githundi wrote:It is the way we are socialised. I mean which boy child does not love his father? It is more complicated than that. This word love is too simple to describe the emotions between people. The true nature of those feelings cannot be accurately captured in words. Also many people assume that the relationship they had with their parents is the same that everybody had with their parents. There is also the problem that there are certain feelings that are appropriate for certain relationships regardless of how that relationship actually is. For example the appropriate feeling to have for your parents is that of love regardless of how your actual relationship is or was. I have come to the accept the fact that I do not love my parents. (To the best of my understanding of what this word love means) I am not proud of the fact. I do not feel good that I do not love them, actually I feel bad that I do not love them and I feel real guilty about it when I think about it. I however cannot lie to myself that I love them. Its how I feel and I don't think I can change that.
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/25/2015 Posts: 839 Location: Kite
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Kusadikika wrote:githundi wrote:It is the way we are socialised. I mean which boy child does not love his father? It is more complicated than that. This word love is too simple to describe the emotions between people. The true nature of those feelings cannot be accurately captured in words. Also many people assume that the relationship they had with their parents is the same that everybody had with their parents. There is also the problem that there are certain feelings that are appropriate for certain relationships regardless of how that relationship actually is. For example the appropriate feeling to have for your parents is that of love regardless of how your actual relationship is or was. I have come to the accept the fact that I do not love my parents. (To the best of my understanding of what this word love means) I am not proud of the fact. I do not feel good that I do not love them, actually I feel bad that I do not love them and I feel real guilty about it when I think about it. I however cannot lie to myself that I love them. Its how I feel and I don't think I can change that. Umelewa?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,909
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Taurrus wrote:Kusadikika wrote:githundi wrote:It is the way we are socialised. I mean which boy child does not love his father? It is more complicated than that. This word love is too simple to describe the emotions between people. The true nature of those feelings cannot be accurately captured in words. Also many people assume that the relationship they had with their parents is the same that everybody had with their parents. There is also the problem that there are certain feelings that are appropriate for certain relationships regardless of how that relationship actually is. For example the appropriate feeling to have for your parents is that of love regardless of how your actual relationship is or was. I have come to the accept the fact that I do not love my parents. (To the best of my understanding of what this word love means) I am not proud of the fact. I do not feel good that I do not love them, actually I feel bad that I do not love them and I feel real guilty about it when I think about it. I however cannot lie to myself that I love them. Its how I feel and I don't think I can change that. Umelewa? In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/17/2010 Posts: 572
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Swenani wrote:If a son tell his old school dad that he loves him, the father will never look at the son in the same way forever....Infact, the old man might die early due to stress i always wondered why it was so then i concluded that this was colonial influence at play, if you think about it, those of us whose parents grew up at the height of colonization in Kenya picked on these traits from the british who were then well known for not showing any open affection towards their loved ones, the best a colonial era british father could do to show affection to his son was a very firm handshake. i might be stereotyping but i suspect this was the reality of those times and it influenced how our parents interacted with us. 'One headache for famous medieval holy people was that someone might murder you to acquire your body parts for the relics trade'
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Kusadikika wrote:githundi wrote:It is the way we are socialised. I mean which boy child does not love his father? It is more complicated than that. This word love is too simple to describe the emotions between people. The true nature of those feelings cannot be accurately captured in words. Also many people assume that the relationship they had with their parents is the same that everybody had with their parents. There is also the problem that there are certain feelings that are appropriate for certain relationships regardless of how that relationship actually is. For example the appropriate feeling to have for your parents is that of love regardless of how your actual relationship is or was. I have come to the accept the fact that I do not love my parents. (To the best of my understanding of what this word love means) I am not proud of the fact. I do not feel good that I do not love them, actually I feel bad that I do not love them and I feel real guilty about it when I think about it. I however cannot lie to myself that I love them. Its how I feel and I don't think I can change that. You've done well to be honest, and at least you've thought critically. I hope you'll overcome the guilt and find genuine love for the walking dead that surround you and that you are.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/23/2014 Posts: 1,652
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A man doesnt need to be loved.He needs to be respected. Hutia Mundu!!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/3/2014 Posts: 1,063
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Lolest! wrote: Hata mimi sitaki kushinda nimeambiwa nimependwa. Kwani some of these guys like Pst Simon Mbevi and Ian want to turn men into women?
Then they're pushing us to cry...I can count the number of times I've cried since class 6
Let's just leave man the way he is
Seems you are ignorant of what man enough does.Pst Mbevi provides a platform for men to interact and express themselves freely.Men normally are socialized to always show strength even at his lowest point.Like for instance what Kusadikika is expressing it normally would be considered unmanly but he is honest and at peace with himself. Consistency is better than intensity
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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PeterReborn wrote:Lolest! wrote: Hata mimi sitaki kushinda nimeambiwa nimependwa. Kwani some of these guys like Pst Simon Mbevi and Ian want to turn men into women?
Then they're pushing us to cry...I can count the number of times I've cried since class 6
Let's just leave man the way he is
Seems you are ignorant of what man enough does.Pst Mbevi provides a platform for men to interact and express themselves freely.Men normally are socialized to always show strength even at his lowest point.Like for instance what Kusadikika is expressing it normally would be considered unmanly but he is honest and at peace with himself. I am a follower of Pst. Mbevi's work. He once did a study in Kamiti and he realized that 86% of the prisoners there were fatherless or had issues with their dads is it a correlation or causation? I don't know.... I think we could do with a the removal of formality our relations with our old men - I am sure they will appreciate (I don't think they have heard those words even from their wives in a while) - bora usizoee.. but hizi ni zile vitu za "shini ya mae" Difficult to change - will require a couple of generations to change. is it healthy? Yes it is... is it going to get taken up.. not soon unless by this new set of fathers - teach your kids how to ride bikes, take them out for swimming. play ball with them - remove formality and the rest will follow. My story, my old man never stayed at home during the day... 7am ako nje... kurudi 9pm. He paid for everything - never lacked. He did not know of another way of expressing his love than being a supplier/provider a job he excelled in. I appreciate the dude - he played the cards he had really well. Can I improve on that? Yes!! I try to be very present in my kids lives - maybe it will make a difference and them saying "I love you" will not be so much of a labour.... do you notice the body language of the guys who are saying these words for the 1st time to their old men? https://www.youtube.com/...j55E9FI1F60&t=2m40s
it's very uncomfortable All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Is this the reason why men of nowadays are turning into boneless, crying, weak sissies?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/3/2014 Posts: 1,063
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masukuma wrote:PeterReborn wrote:Lolest! wrote: Hata mimi sitaki kushinda nimeambiwa nimependwa. Kwani some of these guys like Pst Simon Mbevi and Ian want to turn men into women?
Then they're pushing us to cry...I can count the number of times I've cried since class 6
Let's just leave man the way he is
Seems you are ignorant of what man enough does.Pst Mbevi provides a platform for men to interact and express themselves freely.Men normally are socialized to always show strength even at his lowest point.Like for instance what Kusadikika is expressing it normally would be considered unmanly but he is honest and at peace with himself. I am a follower of Pst. Mbevi's work. He once did a study in Kamiti and he realized that 86% of the prisoners there were fatherless or had issues with their dads is it a correlation or causation? I don't know.... I think we could do with a the removal of formality our relations with our old men - I am sure they will appreciate (I don't think they have heard those words even from their wives in a while) - bora usizoee.. but hizi ni zile vitu za "shini ya mae" Difficult to change - will require a couple of generations to change. is it healthy? Yes it is... is it going to get taken up.. not soon unless by this new set of fathers - teach your kids how to ride bikes, take them out for swimming. play ball with them - remove formality and the rest will follow. My story, my old man never stayed at home during the day... 7am ako nje... kurudi 9pm. He paid for everything - never lacked. He did not know of another way of expressing his love than being a supplier/provider a job he excelled in. I appreciate the dude - he played the cards he had really well. Can I improve on that? Yes!! I try to be very present in my kids lives - maybe it will make a difference and them saying "I love you" will not be so much of a labour.... do you notice the body language of the guys who are saying these words for the 1st time to their old men? https://www.youtube.com/...j55E9FI1F60&t=2m40s
it's very uncomfortable We have made great strides.Most men now are even changing their diapers and washing their babies.They are getting in to the maternity wards during the birth of their babies.They are deliberately scheduling time to spend with their kids even though they take them to playing fields that have bars in the name of family bonding.A man's role is not just paying for stuff but participating in the lives of his kids. Consistency is better than intensity
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:Is this the reason why men of nowadays are turning into boneless, crying, weak sissies? the culture is changing.... your sons may surprise you. not that the old way of doing things was right and not that the current one is bad... humans change. c'est la vie. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/19/2010 Posts: 1,308 Location: nairobi metropolitan
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PeterReborn wrote:masukuma wrote:PeterReborn wrote:Lolest! wrote: Hata mimi sitaki kushinda nimeambiwa nimependwa. Kwani some of these guys like Pst Simon Mbevi and Ian want to turn men into women?
Then they're pushing us to cry...I can count the number of times I've cried since class 6
Let's just leave man the way he is
Seems you are ignorant of what man enough does.Pst Mbevi provides a platform for men to interact and express themselves freely.Men normally are socialized to always show strength even at his lowest point.Like for instance what Kusadikika is expressing it normally would be considered unmanly but he is honest and at peace with himself. I am a follower of Pst. Mbevi's work. He once did a study in Kamiti and he realized that 86% of the prisoners there were fatherless or had issues with their dads is it a correlation or causation? I don't know.... I think we could do with a the removal of formality our relations with our old men - I am sure they will appreciate (I don't think they have heard those words even from their wives in a while) - bora usizoee.. but hizi ni zile vitu za "shini ya mae" Difficult to change - will require a couple of generations to change. is it healthy? Yes it is... is it going to get taken up.. not soon unless by this new set of fathers - teach your kids how to ride bikes, take them out for swimming. play ball with them - remove formality and the rest will follow. My story, my old man never stayed at home during the day... 7am ako nje... kurudi 9pm. He paid for everything - never lacked. He did not know of another way of expressing his love than being a supplier/provider a job he excelled in. I appreciate the dude - he played the cards he had really well. Can I improve on that? Yes!! I try to be very present in my kids lives - maybe it will make a difference and them saying "I love you" will not be so much of a labour.... do you notice the body language of the guys who are saying these words for the 1st time to their old men? https://www.youtube.com/...j55E9FI1F60&t=2m40s
it's very uncomfortable We have made great strides.Most men now are even changing their diapers and washing their babies.They are getting in to the maternity wards during the birth of their babies.They are deliberately scheduling time to spend with their kids even though they take them to playing fields that have bars in the name of family bonding.A man's role is not just paying for stuff but participating in the lives of his kids. Life is more complex than the way we think, what is your norm depends on how you have been socialised. What you think is progress can be viewed otherwise. I have come to realise that a boy brought up in the village and the one brought up in town have different expectations on what is being a man. This happens to be the biggest cause of unhealthy relationships of our generation. Men and women are creatures of socialisation,and woe unto you if you socialise your male new borns to be women or you have been socialised as that. And what is this love? ..and how is it expressed in men and women? . ..Our understanding of what is love definitely is critical in our expression or perceived expression. Let me talk about myself and not what ought to be, because what we think ought to be is just that,because each one of us socialise our kids and manages our relationships in what we think will be the best for us and our generations to come. It pisses me when we sometimes preach how we bring up our children as if it is the gospel; as if there is no other way. Women require affirmation, they need to be told they are loved, whatever love is because it's something nice. They need to be spoilt, once in while. For me, if love is kindness, don't tell me, show me. . As a man respect and loyalty comes first. .but when we rear a newborn male like a woman, he will definitely require affirmation. .and then it is just lying in the bed we have laid for ourselves. And then some of us will call it progress...my foot. Democracy does not belong to the dead
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