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NSE HY 2016 Profit decline
kimanimsc
#1 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2016 8:39:26 AM
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kimanimsc
#2 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2016 9:15:02 AM
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mkate_nusu
#3 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2016 10:19:30 AM
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kimanimsc wrote:


Ebenyo this is what I was talking about on stocks to sell. The bonus shares further diluted the poor earnings. 2nd half will even be worse. sub 10 bob on the way
KEGN, KPLC, KQ, SCOM
Ericsson
#4 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2016 10:28:53 AM
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Told you guys this was coming
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Ebenyo
#5 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2016 11:20:50 AM
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mkate_nusu wrote:
kimanimsc wrote:


Ebenyo this is what I was talking about on stocks to sell. The bonus shares further diluted the poor earnings. 2nd half will even be worse. sub 10 bob on the way


I can see their operating income declined.Where was the problem?
Their main income is transaction fees from brokers and investment bankers.Im always charged 2.1% whenever i buy or sell shares.Does this mean some brokers didnt remit their dues?.Their other income stream,annual listing,was boosted this year with the listing of Nbv and fusion.That should have boosted their income.
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watesh
#6 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2016 12:23:00 PM
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Bear run must be really affecting this company. They should encourage more listings...sweet talk Comcraft Group, Deepa industries, wananchi group, Chandaria Group and Nakumatt to list
Ericsson
#7 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2016 12:34:28 PM
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@watesh;
Those are suspect companies.
After listing you will be left with an empty shell and the owners taken off.
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mkate_nusu
#8 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2016 12:45:51 PM
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Ebenyo wrote:
mkate_nusu wrote:
kimanimsc wrote:


Ebenyo this is what I was talking about on stocks to sell. The bonus shares further diluted the poor earnings. 2nd half will even be worse. sub 10 bob on the way


I can see their operating income declined.Where was the problem?
Their main income is transaction fees from brokers and investment bankers.Im always charged 2.1% whenever i buy or sell shares.Does this mean some brokers didnt remit their dues?.Their other income stream,annual listing,was boosted this year with the listing of Nbv and fusion.That should have boosted their income.


Ebenyo that 2.1 % comprises the brokerage commissions, nse levy among other taxes.
To make it simple we shall just assume NSE gets the 2.1% whenever you trade. 2.1% of 1 million KCB shares transacted at 60 KES last year is way more than the 2.1% of half a million KCB transacting at 30 KES this year.
Do this for almost all other companies listed and you have the YoY earnings decline
KEGN, KPLC, KQ, SCOM
Ebenyo
#9 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2016 1:05:54 PM
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mkate_nusu wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
mkate_nusu wrote:
kimanimsc wrote:


Ebenyo this is what I was talking about on stocks to sell. The bonus shares further diluted the poor earnings. 2nd half will even be worse. sub 10 bob on the way


I can see their operating income declined.Where was the problem?
Their main income is transaction fees from brokers and investment bankers.Im always charged 2.1% whenever i buy or sell shares.Does this mean some brokers didnt remit their dues?.Their other income stream,annual listing,was boosted this year with the listing of Nbv and fusion.That should have boosted their income.


Ebenyo that 2.1 % comprises the brokerage commissions, nse levy among other taxes.
To make it simple we shall just assume NSE gets the 2.1% whenever you trade. 2.1% of 1 million KCB shares transacted at 60 KES last year is way more than the 2.1% of half a million KCB transacting at 30 KES this year.
Do this for almost all other companies listed and you have the YoY earnings decline


@ mkate nusu,thanks for the clear elaboration.That means their income depends on daily traded volumes.High volumes=high income.Low volumes=low income.That also goes with the bear and bull runs.
The issuing of bonus shares was misplaced.I can see full year results with massive EPS dilution.With the income decline,i think the kshs 0.49 DPS might not be revisited.But if i can jump in at sub 10 bob,it will be a fair value to me.Let me see the market reaction .
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shiznit
#10 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2016 1:11:07 PM
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Will be waiting for this one sub-10. Worth relooking at in 2017 for entry. When the bear ends, I reckon it will be a counter worth taking a ride on.
“The market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.” - John Maynard Keynes
VituVingiSana
#11 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2016 8:33:56 PM
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watesh wrote:
Bear run must be really affecting this company. They should encourage more listings...sweet talk Comcraft Group, Deepa industries, wananchi group, Chandaria Group and Nakumatt to list

Unless they need funding, exposure or for "retirement planning" I do not think these firms' owners need/want to list. Who wants the hassle of running a "public" firm when they can run a tight ship and borrow from local/international banks?

Then there are the scam artists like merali and matu... And HAFR... And Kurwitu...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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