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Resurrection day
tycho
#1 Posted : Monday, June 20, 2016 12:52:20 AM
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Soon, it will be possible to resurrect the dead- hint: existence is now increasingly being seen as a simulation, and many other reasons thankfully under the scope that many seem to trust, science...

So a question arises because it may cost you some money; if you were to choose who to ressurect, who would your first choice be, and why? You are free to time travel into the future and resurrect someone who's alive now so that hypothetically this person will never die.
AlphDoti
#2 Posted : Monday, June 20, 2016 3:02:32 PM
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I can tell you, it'll not happen. Bringing life is not in the hands of man. Take that to the bank. And that "miracle" was time bound, no more.
Wakanyugi
#3 Posted : Monday, June 20, 2016 3:51:34 PM
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tycho wrote:
Soon, it will be possible to resurrect the dead- hint: existence is now increasingly being seen as a simulation, and many other reasons thankfully under the scope that many seem to trust, science...

So a question arises because it may cost you some money; if you were to choose who to ressurect, who would your first choice be, and why? You are free to time travel into the future and resurrect someone who's alive now so that hypothetically this person will never die.


Dear Tycho,

Many greetings like the sand of the sea.

Recently you spoke about myth and I believe someone said myths are not true (an arguable proposition but that is another fight altogether). For the sake of making a point, let us assume he was right.

The belief that life and death are equivalent to the animation, or lack of it, of a human body is a myth, and a not very well crafted one at that.

The truth is death is an illusion - granted, one that serves an important evolutionary purpose, that of encouraging us to protect our earth vehicles when we have them.

We never die. We simply animate different vehicles depending on purpose, location and the lessons that we wish to learn. I hear scientists claiming it will soon be possible to upload our consciousness on a computer and presumably download it into another vehicle, maybe a robot. While I remain to be convinced of this, they actually have a point. Death, as an end or terminal transition, is an illusion.

Think about this: if humans are ever to reach the stars it will be minus our biological vehicles. We don't even go to heaven with them as Alphadoti will readily confirm (we can't even go far under the sea with our naked bodies).

Our bodies are complex and useful but they are made for a limited purpose. Operation on the surface of planet Earth, no more.

Yours very truly


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"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
tycho
#4 Posted : Tuesday, June 21, 2016 6:39:03 AM
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AlphDoti wrote:
I can tell you, it'll not happen. Bringing life is not in the hands of man. Take that to the bank. And that "miracle" was time bound, no more.


@Alph, notice that you've made a proposition without backing it up with reasons. On the other hand, genetics, and genetic engineering and a host of other technologies make it at least hypothetically possible for example to re-create even animals long extinct.

Besides, the questions of what life is, and what humanity is have never been really settled. Take this opportunity to reconsider them.
tycho
#5 Posted : Tuesday, June 21, 2016 6:44:38 AM
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Hello @Wakanyugi! Look at your post; does it have a commitment to all things as illusion?

But lets suppose that all things are either illusions and non illusions, they are all under laws, and at least are hypothetically reversible. Such that the loosing of earthly vessels can be undone.

Once again the questions I've prompted @Alph to reconsider arise...
AlphDoti
#6 Posted : Tuesday, June 21, 2016 2:46:57 PM
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tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
I can tell you, it'll not happen. Bringing life is not in the hands of man. Take that to the bank. And that "miracle" was time bound, no more.

@Alph, notice that you've made a proposition without backing it up with reasons. On the other hand, genetics, and genetic engineering and a host of other technologies make it at least hypothetically possible for example to re-create even animals long extinct.

Besides, the questions of what life is, and what humanity is have never been really settled. Take this opportunity to reconsider them.

It depends what you mean by resurrection. From the death?

And as for re-creating, the scientists are not creating anything new. They are just aiding the natural phenomena of a cell meeting another cell to make life. Can those scientists create cells from scratch?
AlphDoti
#7 Posted : Tuesday, June 21, 2016 2:52:48 PM
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tycho wrote:
Once again the questions I've prompted @Alph to reconsider arise...

My definition of death is the disengagement of the soul from the body. The first outward sign is stop of breathing. But not breathing alone doesn't mean death.

As for the day when the body and soul are reunited again, I refer to this as resurrection.

Human beings (scientists) are not the owners of the law of life. Yes, they can create the environment that either sustains life or that destroys life. No scientists is able to resurrect. And they will not be able. Ever.
AlphDoti
#8 Posted : Tuesday, June 21, 2016 3:34:21 PM
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tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
I can tell you, it'll not happen. Bringing life is not in the hands of man. Take that to the bank. And that "miracle" was time bound, no more.

On the other hand, genetics, and genetic engineering and a host of other technologies make it at least hypothetically possible for example to re-create even animals long extinct...

No human being can claim that he is able to bring the dead back to life. If anyone claims that, then all those people who died, let him bring them back to life if his claim is true!

Stories of sustaining life is not same as bringing back life.

Wacheni kutuchezea hapa!
Wakanyugi
#9 Posted : Tuesday, June 21, 2016 5:02:04 PM
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tycho wrote:
Hello @Wakanyugi! Look at your post; does it have a commitment to all things as illusion?

But lets suppose that all things are either illusions and non illusions, they are all under laws, and at least are hypothetically reversible. Such that the loosing of earthly vessels can be undone.

Once again the questions I've prompted @Alph to reconsider arise...


Hey, Tycho! Come srowry.

I have never said that all things are illusion. However most things that we create in a 3D reality, including the Universe itself are illusion.

Nevertheless, 'unity' or what some call the singularity (the one that includes all) is not illusion, I think. You (the real you) are not illusion, but then you are neither singular nor plural being as you are an integral part of 'unity.'
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
Wakanyugi
#10 Posted : Tuesday, June 21, 2016 5:17:51 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
Once again the questions I've prompted @Alph to reconsider arise...

My definition of death is the disengagement of the soul from the body. The first outward sign is stop of breathing. But not breathing alone doesn't mean death.

As for the day when the body and soul are reunited again, I refer to this as resurrection.

Human beings (scientists) are not the owners of the law of life. Yes, they can create the environment that either sustains life or that destroys life. No scientists is able to resurrect. And they will not be able. Ever.


I still think this a rather limited definition, even from a religious point of view.

I don't know the Koran or even the Bible very well. But when I read the story of Isa and his 'death' and 'resurrection' (including the examples where he 'raised people from the dead') I am persuaded to conclude that his key lesson for us was this:

"We can conquer death, the way he did, but we must first realize that we are much more than the limits of our bodies. That we are not our bodies at all, we just wear these wonderful instruments for a while."

In fact I think there is a place Isa said something like, 'much worse than bodily death, is the death of the soul.'

Again this is not an area I am well versed in, so I admit I could be wrong.
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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