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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Quote: If it is an international scandal that the prepuce of a woman is removed to satisfy religious and cultural views, why is it okay to do the same to boys? If parents of baby girls do not have the right to practice an invasive, traumatic body modification to fit an idealised religious or cultural standard, then it is wrong for the parents of boys to do the same. Close to two thirds of males on earth are not circumcised, circumcision is primarily a religious expression. Some think that the foreskin is a vestigial organ like an appendix. You don’t even notice if you lost it as a child. The foreskin is not just a useless piece of skin, it provides lubrication, protection and has erogenous capabilities. It is after all a piece of skin filled with nerve endings. Some people claim that circumcision prevents infections. It is easy to dispel this ridiculous idea without resorting to the available medical reports available. Many Western European countries have publicly funded health services. If there really was money to be saved in the future by circumcising baby boys, you can be sure Margaret Thatcher would have pushed it through the British health service. All the claims on the benefits of circumcision are either exaggerated or plain wrong. A condom is a greater barrier to disease than circumcision, which shoots down circumcision as a prophylactic argument. Women are more at risk of disease, infection, odour, and disease than men due to their physiology. Why is it that men are told to chop off their foreskins due to the likelihood of future infection but women are not asked to get rid of their clitorises? http://www.nation.co.ke/...2/-/u3x0p8z/-/index.html
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,057 Location: Gwitu
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Following Truth forever on the scaffold Wrong forever on the throne (James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Now waiting for the likes of masukuma....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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it's a move in the nordic countries. The question of why one would mutilate their 8 day old child is still unanswered. What if the kid does not follow your religion? what if he feels 'robbed'? lol... interesting days ahead. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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No comparison between fore-skin and clitoris. Maybe clitoral hood. Which the Ugandans (kuskia tu  ) have, to their enjoyment, removed by elongating the clitoris. Small p£n!s. @Alph's Msungus should borrow a leaf
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,330 Location: Masada
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So how is clit elongate? A friend of mine once rejected manenoz on realizing the lady had a small elongated gear. Portfolio: Sold You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
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Mutilate? masukuma? Robbed of what? fundamentals? I believe they are taught as they grow so they can understand its importance and place in their culture.In case they want it so bad it can be grafted back with accesories.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,330 Location: Masada
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kysse wrote:Mutilate? masukuma? Robbed of what? fundamentals? I believe they are taught as they grow so they can understand its importance and place in their culture.In case they want it so bad it can be grafted back with accesories.
From sexperience,which type do you like?Sheathed or unsheathed? Portfolio: Sold You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
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Impunity wrote:kysse wrote:Mutilate? masukuma? Robbed of what? fundamentals? I believe they are taught as they grow so they can understand its importance and place in their culture.In case they want it so bad it can be grafted back with accesories.
From sexperience,which type do you like?Sheathed or unsheathed? porcupine.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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kysse wrote:Mutilate? masukuma? Robbed of what? fundamentals? I believe they are taught as they grow so they can understand its importance and place in their culture.In case they want it so bad it can be grafted back with accesories.
if you really think about it - the same argument can and has been given for FGM.... Anyway - here is a proclamation done in 2013 by the Nordic countries. Quote:Yesterday, during a meeting in Oslo, Nordic ombudsmen for children, Nordic paediatricians, and paediatric surgeons agreed a resolution urging their national governments to work for a ban on non-therapeutic circumcision of underage boys. The children's ombudsmen from the five Nordic countries (Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark, and Iceland), along with the Chair of the Danish Children's Council and the Children's spokesperson for Greenland passed a resolution to: "Let boys decide for themselves whether they want to be circumcised." The ombudsmen concluded that: "Circumcision without a medical indication on a person unable to provide informed consent conflicts with basic principles of medical ethics." They found the procedure "to be in conflict with the UN Convention of the Rights of the Child, articles 12, and 24 (3) which say that children should have the right to express their own views and must be protected from traditional rituals that may be harmful to their health." Dr Antony Lempert, a GP and spokesperson for the UK Secular Medical Forum (SMF), applauded this historic resolution and urged the UK and devolved Governments to work towards protecting all UK children at risk of forced genital cutting. He said: "This important statement by the Nordic child protection experts is grounded in common sense. Children's basic rights to bodily integrity and to form their own beliefs should not be overridden because of their parents' religious or cultural practices." Dr Lempert argued that, "with an increasing awareness of serious irreversible harm caused to boys and girls from forced genital cutting it is time for the genitals of all children to be protected from people with knives and strong religious or cultural beliefs. There can be no justification for healthy children to be forcibly cut. All children deserve society's protection from serious harm." I personally think snipping a kid at 8 days is not good... the kid does not opt in! if it happens as a rite of passage - the kid has already been indoctrinated and it actually means something.  All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
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mmh. Now bring that to Africa where we are culturally inclined.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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kysse wrote:mmh. Now bring that to Africa where we are culturally inclined.  Where >80% prevalence is the red 20-80% prevalence is the US color and the <20% prevalence is the Chinese color! My assessment is that Muslims and Jews are the traditional "spreaders" of circumcision and sometimes second hand influences by pastoral communities that rubbed shoulders with the Muslims. All our (Kenya) circumcision practices can then have originated from the Somalis and some ethiopians!!!  Coz Ug hakuna sana, Tz Same - South Sudan hata tusiongee!! I suggest that the Maasais were the vehicle that may have transported it around (their genes betray them  ) Have you noticed that majority of the world wako vile walikuja!! I remember Raila once laughing at people who were calling him kihii saying... hata George Bush, Tony Blair, Yoweri Museveni and most likely Kagame as well - have not faced the knife!! Maybe hata Obama and Trump pia! lol... Pick a world famous leader and it's very likely ako vile alikuja! Hata Pope Francis na Messi from argentina " where circumcision is practically unheard of" hawajaonana na hiyo kisu! so tuwache kuThump our bony chests over the practice. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
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80% of American men are circumcised.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,057 Location: Gwitu
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kysse wrote:Impunity wrote:kysse wrote:Mutilate? masukuma? Robbed of what? fundamentals? I believe they are taught as they grow so they can understand its importance and place in their culture.In case they want it so bad it can be grafted back with accesories.
From sexperience,which type do you like?Sheathed or unsheathed? porcupine. Kuna mtu ameitwa njegee Truth forever on the scaffold Wrong forever on the throne (James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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Lakini kuna wazuan girl/woman who said that yenye imechongwa ni tamu sana kuliko yenye haijachongwa If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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kysse wrote:80% of American men are circumcised. yeah - they stand out from the rest of the western world. The reason for them was pseudoscience Quote: The American medical fascination with the procedure can be traced to the enthusiasm of a New York-based orthopedic surgeon named Lewis Sayre. In the 1870s, Dr. Sayre—who would go on to become president of the American Medical Association—developed a theory about the value of circumcision in treating muscle paralysis. The theory depended on the then-popular notion of reflex neurosis, which held that many diseases were caused by persistent stimulation of the nervous system by “irritation.” Dr. Sayre believed that by removing the foreskin he could eliminate one form of this “irritation” and thereby relieve the paralysis. (Interestingly, this was also the basis for removing a woman’s ovaries to combat hysteria and backache.) Sayre’s intervention, which he first performed on a 5-year-old boy suffering from leg paralysis, was the beginning of the American medical appropriation of what had been a primarily religious ritual.
Quote: The situation in England was similar to that in the U.S. for the first half of the 20th century; Sayre was widely read in England, too. But by World War II, things began to change. After the war, as Britain began creating its system of national “cradle-to-grave” health insurance coverage, the cost-benefit ratio of various medical procedures became a central concern. And, it turns out, circumcision didn’t make the cut. A British doctor, Douglas Gairdner, who reviewed the issue in 1949 found that scientific understanding of the foreskin was woefully inadequate; little research had ever been done on its normal development, including the time it takes for the foreskin to fully separate from the head of the penis and become retractable. This was remarkable, since one of the most common indications for circumcision since the late 19th century had been “phimosis,” or the abnormal adhesion of the foreskin to the underlying glans. Doctors in both America and Britain believed that the foreskin was normally—that is, in healthy infants—separate from the glans at birth; when it was not, circumcision was indicated. But Gairdner discovered that no one had bothered to find out what happened to the foreskin when it was left alone. Contrary to common wisdom, Gairdner found that boys differed widely in the time it took for the foreskin to naturally separate from the glans—anywhere from birth to 3 years. Circumcision as a treatment for so-called “adherent prepuce” before this time was therefore unnecessary. The National Health Service agreed, and in the years following the circumcision rate in Britain fell, from about 33% in 1948 to less than 10% today, with most of those being done for religious reasons.
Things were very different in the United States. Lacking a national heath care system concerned with cost-containment, the U.S. was not forced to conduct similar cost-benefit analyses of circumcision. Health insurance companies were happy to provide reimbursement for the procedure, and doctors were content to continue to collect payments for performing it. Technical innovations also made the procedure simpler, allowing it to be performed by obstetricians rather than by surgeons. As a result, circumcision became even more common.
The neonatal circumcision rate peaked in the U.S. in the late 1960s, at around 80-90%. Since then, the procedure has been slowly declining—in part due to the skepticism of parents who no longer place blind faith in the medical establishment and in part due to the profession’s own writings.
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Mukiri wrote:No comparison between fore-skin and clitoris. Maybe clitoral hood. Which the Ugandans (kuskia tu  ) have, to their enjoyment, removed by elongating the clitoris. Small p£n!s. @Alph's Msungus should borrow a leaf @mukiri, I don't understand your post. But let us listen to a word from the Gospel: Luke 2:21 " And at the end of eight days, when he was circumcised, he was called Jesus, the name given by the angel before he was conceived in the womb."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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masukuma wrote:it's a move in the nordic countries. The question of why one would mutilate their 8 day old child is still unanswered. What if the kid does not follow your religion? what if he feels 'robbed'? lol... interesting days ahead. @mavegs, read your book. Luke 2:21 "And at the end of eight days, when he was circumcised, he was called Jesus, the name given by the angel before he was conceived in the womb." The covenant of circumcisionGenesis 17:7 God Said to Abraham "And I will establish my covenant between me and you and your descendants ...for an everlasting covenant" Genesis 17:9 And God said to Abraham, "... you shall keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you throughout their generations" What was the covenant?Genesis 17:13 And God said to Abraham, "both he that is born in your house and he that is bought with your money, shall be circumcised. So shall my covenant be in your flesh an everlasting covenant." What happens if you don't get circumcised?Genesis 17:14 "Any uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin shall be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.”
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:it's a move in the nordic countries. The question of why one would mutilate their 8 day old child is still unanswered. What if the kid does not follow your religion? what if he feels 'robbed'? lol... interesting days ahead. @mavegs, read your book. Luke 2:21 "And at the end of eight days, when he was circumcised, he was called Jesus, the name given by the angel before he was conceived in the womb." The covenant of circumcisionGenesis 17:7 God Said to Abraham "And I will establish my covenant between me and you and your descendants ...for an everlasting covenant" Genesis 17:9 And God said to Abraham, "... you shall keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you throughout their generations" What was the covenant?Genesis 17:13 And God said to Abraham, "both he that is born in your house and he that is bought with your money, shall be circumcised. So shall my covenant be in your flesh an everlasting covenant." What happens if you don't get circumcised?Genesis 17:14 "Any uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin shall be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.” as usual - you are missing the point!! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:it's a move in the nordic countries. The question of why one would mutilate their 8 day old child is still unanswered. What if the kid does not follow your religion? what if he feels 'robbed'? lol... interesting days ahead. @mavegs, read your book. Luke 2:21 "And at the end of eight days, when he was circumcised, he was called Jesus, the name given by the angel before he was conceived in the womb." The covenant of circumcisionGenesis 17:7 God Said to Abraham "And I will establish my covenant between me and you and your descendants ...for an everlasting covenant" Genesis 17:9 And God said to Abraham, "... you shall keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you throughout their generations" What was the covenant?Genesis 17:13 And God said to Abraham, "both he that is born in your house and he that is bought with your money, shall be circumcised. So shall my covenant be in your flesh an everlasting covenant." What happens if you don't get circumcised?Genesis 17:14 "Any uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin shall be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.” as usual - you are missing the point!! I gave you the "why" and corrected your malice and blind attack of the 8 days. So how is that missing the point?
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