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Governments don't make good business decisions. That is why they should stay away from running anything that involves generating profits. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:Governments don't make good business decisions. That is why they should stay away from running anything that involves generating profits. Can the rail/train business be profitable? possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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Very beautiful.It's just reminded me i used to pay 7 bob from Eldie to Nai. Maybe that is why they closed shop. Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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maka wrote:masukuma wrote:Governments don't make good business decisions. That is why they should stay away from running anything that involves generating profits. Can the rail/train business be profitable? Yes, in Europe especially. The Virgin trains and the Great Western! In African they are hardly profitable. Portfolio: Sold You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/15/2015 Posts: 681 Location: Kenya
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masukuma wrote:Governments don't make good business decisions. That is why they should stay away from running anything that involves generating profits. Shainis and Rashians Gaaments are doing pretty well. 60% Learning, 30% synthesizing, 10% Debating
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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Thitifini wrote:masukuma wrote:Governments don't make good business decisions. That is why they should stay away from running anything that involves generating profits. Shainis and Rashians Gaaments are doing pretty well. In India working in the state rail is like eternal blessing! It rakes billions in revenue and pays pension in time! Portfolio: Sold You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa
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Lost glory indeed. It was at one time the biggest employer in Kenya and provided housing for all employees. They had huge estates in Nairobi, Mombasa and Kisumu. And boy were those estates fun places to be. They had all kinds of houses all the way from one room bedsitters to 3 and 4 bedroom houses and everything in between. Houses were well maintained, estates looked good with wide open spaces, social halls, football fields, there were open air movies and all other amenities.
Because there were so many football fields, these Kenya railways estates produced a disproportionate number of top footballers in Kenya. Kaloleni and Makongeni even had two teams in the national football league. And when they played, the whole estate would come to city stadium to cheer. Fun times.
And Muthurwa social hall aka Dallas is responsible for producing something like 50% of the Kenyan boxers who have won medals at the Olympics and Commonwealth games.
And I am very nostalgic about riding those second class coaches, sleeping in the middle bunk on the way to coast or elsewhere.
Can a public railway be well managed? Only if the public demands accountability, something that Kenyans are not interested in. In Brazil there are riots when public transport companies raise fares. In new York the mayor and the MTA carefully needs to explain each time the MTA raises subway fares. And in Kenya the public is mostly hoodwinked by appeals to tribal loyalty. So while public officials loot, the public focuses on which tribe is in power.
I said well managed, not profitable. IMO The goal of a public utility is not to make profits but to provide badly needed services. To make business possible by efficiently moving goods across the country. To alleviate traffic by providing alternative transportation. And so forth. Financially, a public utility just needs to break even while providing badly needed services.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Alba wrote:Lost glory indeed. It was at one time the biggest employer in Kenya and provided housing for all employees. They had huge estates in Nairobi, Mombasa and Kisumu. And boy were those estates fun places to be. They had all kinds of houses all the way from one room bedsitters to 3 and 4 bedroom houses and everything in between. Houses were well maintained, estates looked good with wide open spaces, social halls, football fields, there were open air movies and all other amenities.
Because there were so many football fields, these Kenya railways estates produced a disproportionate number of top footballers in Kenya. Kaloleni and Makongeni even had two teams in the national football league. And when they played, the whole estate would come to city stadium to cheer. Fun times.
And I am very nostalgic about riding those second class coaches, sleeping in the middle bunk on the way to coast or elsewhere.
Can a public railway be well managed? Only if the public demands accountability, something that Kenyans are not interested in. In Brazil there are riots when public transport companies raise fares. In new York the mayor and the MTA carefully needs to explain each time the MTA raises subway fares. And in Kenya the public is mostly hoodwinked by appeals to tribal loyalty.
I said well managed, not profitable. IMO The goal of a public utility is not to make profits but to provide badly needed services. To make business possible by efficiently moving goods across the country. To alleviate traffic by providing alternative transportation. And so forth. Financially, a public utility just needs to break even while providing badly needed services.
That's where they lost the plot. They should have invested in the core business...upgrading the rail and trains "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:Alba wrote:Lost glory indeed. It was at one time the biggest employer in Kenya and provided housing for all employees. They had huge estates in Nairobi, Mombasa and Kisumu. And boy were those estates fun places to be. They had all kinds of houses all the way from one room bedsitters to 3 and 4 bedroom houses and everything in between. Houses were well maintained, estates looked good with wide open spaces, social halls, football fields, there were open air movies and all other amenities.
Because there were so many football fields, these Kenya railways estates produced a disproportionate number of top footballers in Kenya. Kaloleni and Makongeni even had two teams in the national football league. And when they played, the whole estate would come to city stadium to cheer. Fun times.
And I am very nostalgic about riding those second class coaches, sleeping in the middle bunk on the way to coast or elsewhere.
Can a public railway be well managed? Only if the public demands accountability, something that Kenyans are not interested in. In Brazil there are riots when public transport companies raise fares. In new York the mayor and the MTA carefully needs to explain each time the MTA raises subway fares. And in Kenya the public is mostly hoodwinked by appeals to tribal loyalty.
I said well managed, not profitable. IMO The goal of a public utility is not to make profits but to provide badly needed services. To make business possible by efficiently moving goods across the country. To alleviate traffic by providing alternative transportation. And so forth. Financially, a public utility just needs to break even while providing badly needed services.
That's where they lost the plot. They should have invested in the core business...upgrading the rail and trains Governments don't make business decisions they make political ones. Business decisions are not always popular some of the railways that are being touted as being successful are actually not profitable - they still require the tax payer to fork out some cash. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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masukuma wrote:murchr wrote:Alba wrote:Lost glory indeed. It was at one time the biggest employer in Kenya and provided housing for all employees. They had huge estates in Nairobi, Mombasa and Kisumu. And boy were those estates fun places to be. They had all kinds of houses all the way from one room bedsitters to 3 and 4 bedroom houses and everything in between. Houses were well maintained, estates looked good with wide open spaces, social halls, football fields, there were open air movies and all other amenities.
Because there were so many football fields, these Kenya railways estates produced a disproportionate number of top footballers in Kenya. Kaloleni and Makongeni even had two teams in the national football league. And when they played, the whole estate would come to city stadium to cheer. Fun times.
And I am very nostalgic about riding those second class coaches, sleeping in the middle bunk on the way to coast or elsewhere.
Can a public railway be well managed? Only if the public demands accountability, something that Kenyans are not interested in. In Brazil there are riots when public transport companies raise fares. In new York the mayor and the MTA carefully needs to explain each time the MTA raises subway fares. And in Kenya the public is mostly hoodwinked by appeals to tribal loyalty.
I said well managed, not profitable. IMO The goal of a public utility is not to make profits but to provide badly needed services. To make business possible by efficiently moving goods across the country. To alleviate traffic by providing alternative transportation. And so forth. Financially, a public utility just needs to break even while providing badly needed services.
That's where they lost the plot. They should have invested in the core business...upgrading the rail and trains Governments don't make business decisions they make political ones. Business decisions are not always popular some of the railways that are being touted as being successful are actually not profitable - they still require the tax payer to fork out some cash. Masukuma I partly agree, but then again, such a service cannot operate without government involvement. They have to get a balance between the politics and business. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa
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murchr wrote:
That's where they lost the plot. They should have invested in the core business...upgrading the rail and trains
The housing was built by the British colonial government. For example, Kaloleni estate was built around 1940 or earlier. And as far as I can tell, it never prevented them from investing adequately in the core business. The British figured that employees would be more productive and more loyal if they had decent housing and housing that was actually near their job. Also it is the responsibility of the government to ensure adequate housing is available. The social amenities and fields were geared towards keeping youth busy in positive activity and away from idling which leads to crime and drug use. And for the Brits they especially wanted to avoid political agitation from the natives. So they pacified them. Remember that Kenya Railways was never intended to be a profit generating business. It provided numerous indirect benefits to the colonial government which far outweighed the costs In modern times, a railway provides indirect benefits to the government : by easing transportation, it raises productivity which can create jobs or business opportunities. It can ease traffic. Provide direct employment........
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Alba wrote:murchr wrote:
That's where they lost the plot. They should have invested in the core business...upgrading the rail and trains
The housing was built by the British colonial government. For example, Kaloleni estate was built around 1940 or earlier. And as far as I can tell, it never prevented them from investing adequately in the core business. The British figured that employees would be more productive and more loyal if they had decent housing and housing that was actually near their job. Also it is the responsibility of the government to ensure adequate housing is available. The social amenities and fields were geared towards keeping youth busy in positive activity and away from idling which leads to crime and drug use. And for the Brits they especially wanted to avoid political agitation from the natives. So they pacified them. Remember that Kenya Railways was never intended to be a profit generating business. It provided numerous indirect benefits to the colonial government which far outweighed the costs In modern times, a railway provides indirect benefits to the government : by easing transportation, it raises productivity which can create jobs or business opportunities. It can ease traffic. Provide direct employment........ I have not read the rest of the narrative apart from what is highlighted. If Housing was done by the British gov, then the railway as a company "east african railway and harbours corporation" should not have gotten involved in the housing business at all the successive govt and municipality should have "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Roger Whitaker made a song of it "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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NOSTALGIC! Although shown in the pic are not coached used on the EAR&H, those seems like Indian coaches! Portfolio: Sold You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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The first mistake made was to break the east African rail and habour my grandfather tells me in the days of old it was the most reliable mode of transport he could do Karatina Nairobi Nyahururu very comfortably, when he imported his first jalopy he collected it at Nyahururu station not Mombasa, nowadays Kenya railways is not even able to provide frequent services in Nairobi while clearly there is potential, the Mombasa station is so dilapidated the photos hanging on the walls tell of a long gone era, I would like to know who will run SGR if it's the same guys same fomula then expect no change, truckers pay KR to make sure inefficiency is maintained, only trains that run well are the magadi and the Uganda owned ones, SOME THRIVE FROM OUR INEFFICIENCY To Each His Own
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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kayhara wrote:The first mistake made was to break the east African rail and habour my grandfather tells me in the days of old it was the most reliable mode of transport he could do Karatina Nairobi Nyahururu very comfortably, when he imported his first jalopy he collected it at Nyahururu station not Mombasa, nowadays Kenya railways is not even able to provide frequent services in Nairobi while clearly there is potential, the Mombasa station is so dilapidated the photos hanging on the walls tell of a long gone era, I would like to know who will run SGR if it's the same guys same fomula then expect no change, truckers pay KR to make sure inefficiency is maintained, only trains that run well are the magadi and the Uganda owned ones, SOME THRIVE FROM OUR INEFFICIENCY Which are these Uganda owned trains doing rounds in Kenya? Tell me. Portfolio: Sold You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/5/2011 Posts: 1,059
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Impunity wrote:kayhara wrote:The first mistake made was to break the east African rail and habour my grandfather tells me in the days of old it was the most reliable mode of transport he could do Karatina Nairobi Nyahururu very comfortably, when he imported his first jalopy he collected it at Nyahururu station not Mombasa, nowadays Kenya railways is not even able to provide frequent services in Nairobi while clearly there is potential, the Mombasa station is so dilapidated the photos hanging on the walls tell of a long gone era, I would like to know who will run SGR if it's the same guys same fomula then expect no change, truckers pay KR to make sure inefficiency is maintained, only trains that run well are the magadi and the Uganda owned ones, SOME THRIVE FROM OUR INEFFICIENCY Which are these Uganda owned trains doing rounds in Kenya? Tell me. There is a Ugandan business man he owns 2 engines and a number of wagons, well known in Mombasa, he operates them same way Magadi does,handles most Uganda destined cargo. To Each His Own
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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kayhara wrote:Impunity wrote:kayhara wrote:The first mistake made was to break the east African rail and habour my grandfather tells me in the days of old it was the most reliable mode of transport he could do Karatina Nairobi Nyahururu very comfortably, when he imported his first jalopy he collected it at Nyahururu station not Mombasa, nowadays Kenya railways is not even able to provide frequent services in Nairobi while clearly there is potential, the Mombasa station is so dilapidated the photos hanging on the walls tell of a long gone era, I would like to know who will run SGR if it's the same guys same fomula then expect no change, truckers pay KR to make sure inefficiency is maintained, only trains that run well are the magadi and the Uganda owned ones, SOME THRIVE FROM OUR INEFFICIENCY Which are these Uganda owned trains doing rounds in Kenya? Tell me. There is a Ugandan business man he owns 2 engines and a number of wagons, well known in Mombasa, he operates them same way Magadi does,handles most Uganda destined cargo. How does he pay the KR and UR and RVR the dues? I would like to know since I harbor such thoughts of operating a private train on the existing KR tracks, just as done in Britain. Portfolio: Sold You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/5/2011 Posts: 1,059
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Just saw a KR train with about 15 flat bed wagons in githurai, kwani they have a cargo service to Central Kenya or is it kina TATA motors and vw assemblies in Ruiru. To Each His Own
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