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murchr
#1 Posted : Saturday, November 21, 2015 8:14:28 AM
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What are they? Thoughts? I think not....Revelations? May be very possible

Larry Page in his own words on the dream that inspired Google

Leonardo Da vinci and his flying machine

"I saw in a dream a table where all elements fell into place as required. Awakening, I immediately wrote it down on a piece of paper, only in one place did a correction later seem necessary."

— Mendeleev, as quoted by Inostrantzev
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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tycho
#2 Posted : Saturday, November 21, 2015 12:34:54 PM
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Dreams entail thoughts and revelations that emerge when an individual mind encounters the universal mind at the subconscious and superconscious levels.
Njung'e
#3 Posted : Saturday, November 21, 2015 1:47:36 PM
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tycho wrote:
Dreams entail thoughts and revelations that emerge when an individual mind encounters the universal mind at the subconscious and superconscious levels.


Sasa umesema nini?Sad
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
Muheani
#4 Posted : Saturday, November 21, 2015 2:17:16 PM
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tycho wrote:
Dreams entail thoughts and revelations that emerge when an individual mind encounters the universal mind at the subconscious and superconscious levels.



OK!
tycho
#5 Posted : Saturday, November 21, 2015 2:19:40 PM
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Njung'e wrote:
tycho wrote:
Dreams entail thoughts and revelations that emerge when an individual mind encounters the universal mind at the subconscious and superconscious levels.


Sasa umesema nini?Sad


I have a mind that's connected to another mind whose nature and extent is almost mysterious and this mind communicates with my mind mostly via dreams. The communication entails me sending my thoughts subconsciously and the 'super mind' responds via its symbolic metaphor through experiences I call dreams.

When I work on these dreams I find out my subconscious thoughts and I find new perspectives and new thoughts about what I need to do in my conscious life.

Like right now I'm working on two vivid dreams I had today, and so far, I'm finding the material illuminating.
Njung'e
#6 Posted : Saturday, November 21, 2015 2:43:39 PM
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tycho wrote:
[quote=Njung'e][quote=tycho]

When I work on these dreams I find out my subconscious thoughts and I find new perspectives and new thoughts about what I need to do in my conscious life.

Like right now I'm working on two vivid dreams I had today, and so far, I'm finding the material illuminating.


Okay.....but are you sure you are not high?smile
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
tycho
#7 Posted : Saturday, November 21, 2015 2:54:24 PM
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Njung'e wrote:
tycho wrote:
[quote=Njung'e][quote=tycho]

When I work on these dreams I find out my subconscious thoughts and I find new perspectives and new thoughts about what I need to do in my conscious life.

Like right now I'm working on two vivid dreams I had today, and so far, I'm finding the material illuminating.


Okay.....but are you sure you are not high?smile


Unconscious material have an element of 'height', and the more one relates to them actively and consciously then the more likely one goes high.
washiku
#8 Posted : Saturday, November 21, 2015 4:03:57 PM
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tycho wrote:
Njung'e wrote:
tycho wrote:
[quote=Njung'e][quote=tycho]

When I work on these dreams I find out my subconscious thoughts and I find new perspectives and new thoughts about what I need to do in my conscious life.

Like right now I'm working on two vivid dreams I had today, and so far, I'm finding the material illuminating.


Okay.....but are you sure you are not high?smile


Unconscious material have an element of 'height', and the more one relates to them actively and consciously then the more likely one goes high.


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Taurrus
#9 Posted : Saturday, November 21, 2015 4:18:09 PM
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washiku wrote:
tycho wrote:
Njung'e wrote:
tycho wrote:
[quote=Njung'e][quote=tycho]

When I work on these dreams I find out my subconscious thoughts and I find new perspectives and new thoughts about what I need to do in my conscious life.

Like right now I'm working on two vivid dreams I had today, and so far, I'm finding the material illuminating.


Okay.....but are you sure you are not high?smile


Unconscious material have an element of 'height', and the more one relates to them actively and consciously then the more likely one goes high.


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

@Guka amesarendaa!Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
murchr
#10 Posted : Sunday, November 22, 2015 12:06:00 AM
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Why would mother nature inactivate your body and activate your brain to watch things that you may never have imagined?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Njung'e
#11 Posted : Sunday, November 22, 2015 11:30:01 AM
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Taurrus wrote:
washiku wrote:
tycho wrote:
Njung'e wrote:
tycho wrote:
[quote=Njung'e][quote=tycho]

When I work on these dreams I find out my subconscious thoughts and I find new perspectives and new thoughts about what I need to do in my conscious life.

Like right now I'm working on two vivid dreams I had today, and so far, I'm finding the material illuminating.


Okay.....but are you sure you are not high?smile


Unconscious material have an element of 'height', and the more one relates to them actively and consciously then the more likely one goes high.


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

@Guka amesarendaa!Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
tycho
#12 Posted : Sunday, November 22, 2015 3:27:09 PM
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murchr wrote:
Why would mother nature inactivate your body and activate your brain to watch things that you may never have imagined?


Meditation is consciously willed and controlled dreaming. . .
murchr
#13 Posted : Sunday, November 22, 2015 5:36:21 PM
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tycho wrote:
murchr wrote:
Why would mother nature inactivate your body and activate your brain to watch things that you may never have imagined?


Meditation is consciously willed and controlled dreaming. . .


Would you say that Syokimau, the one who dreamt of the train was meditating?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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tycho
#14 Posted : Sunday, November 22, 2015 8:15:17 PM
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murchr wrote:
tycho wrote:
murchr wrote:
Why would mother nature inactivate your body and activate your brain to watch things that you may never have imagined?


Meditation is consciously willed and controlled dreaming. . .


Would you say that Syokimau, the one who dreamt of the train was meditating?


Yes @murchr, she was.

Somehow this topic is filling me with 'fear and trembling'. . .
tycho
#15 Posted : Sunday, November 22, 2015 8:55:03 PM
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When I trace the dream, I find myself in the womb, and below the ground as the seed. I get a different glimpse of the brain as the germinated seed. I see the root and shoot and the dynamics therein I find hardly described by science as we know it.

The dream becomes a subject of a different science; occultic science, a science whose methods and practice are so different from what many of us are used to.

Conventional science, in my opinion, can only scratch the surface of this topic.
murchr
#16 Posted : Sunday, November 22, 2015 9:14:27 PM
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Occult science? Why? Why tremble? If Larry Page dreamt of google and it came to be as great as it is, why should you get scared of dreams?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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tycho
#17 Posted : Sunday, November 22, 2015 10:05:15 PM
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murchr wrote:
Occult science? Why? Why tremble? If Larry Page dreamt of google and it came to be as great as it is, why should you get scared of dreams?


I've been studying dreams for a while now, for example I have on record like a hundred of my dreams and I can say it has been a great experience to do dreamwork- though I stopped putting the dreams on pen and paper. I still do dreamwork and even now I'm grappling with yesterday's and today's dreams which apparently are about a common theme.

I use dreams sometimes to solve many of my problems. Dreams themselves aren't scary per se. I find it a waste of sleep if I can't recall my dreams.

Fear and trembling comes the more I probe into the dynamics of dreams, and meditation. There, I have found myself looking at what some would call 'God', or 'life force'. And the sensation I get is almost overwhelming. Then when I consider the power in the dream and how it can be used? The trembling increases.

Why the occult? For example when I consider the zygote, or the seed and what makes up for the development, I find a concept like 'Akashic space' useful and apt. And it's not the only idea that emerges as useful. How can a prophet see the future? These and many other situations like psychic phenomena belong to the dream world. Science as we know it can't handle these 'things' without changing its nature.

It's much like enjoying driving without caring about the mechanics. But once one decides to engage in mechanics one enters in a different and more demanding world all together.
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murchr
#19 Posted : Monday, November 23, 2015 7:22:40 AM
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tycho wrote:
murchr wrote:
Occult science? Why? Why tremble? If Larry Page dreamt of google and it came to be as great as it is, why should you get scared of dreams?


I've been studying dreams for a while now, for example I have on record like a hundred of my dreams and I can say it has been a great experience to do dreamwork- though I stopped putting the dreams on pen and paper. I still do dreamwork and even now I'm grappling with yesterday's and today's dreams which apparently are about a common theme.

I use dreams sometimes to solve many of my problems. Dreams themselves aren't scary per se. I find it a waste of sleep if I can't recall my dreams.

Fear and trembling comes the more I probe into the dynamics of dreams, and meditation. There, I have found myself looking at what some would call 'God', or 'life force'. And the sensation I get is almost overwhelming. Then when I consider the power in the dream and how it can be used? The trembling increases.

Why the occult? For example when I consider the zygote, or the seed and what makes up for the development, I find a concept like 'Akashic space' useful and apt. And it's not the only idea that emerges as useful. How can a prophet see the future? These and many other situations like psychic phenomena belong to the dream world. Science as we know it can't handle these 'things' without changing its nature.

It's much like enjoying driving without caring about the mechanics. But once one decides to engage in mechanics one enters in a different and more demanding world all together.



Oh wao! haha! So what have your findings been? Any idea as to why you have the common theme?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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tycho
#20 Posted : Wednesday, November 25, 2015 9:48:49 AM
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murchr wrote:
tycho wrote:
murchr wrote:
Occult science? Why? Why tremble? If Larry Page dreamt of google and it came to be as great as it is, why should you get scared of dreams?


I've been studying dreams for a while now, for example I have on record like a hundred of my dreams and I can say it has been a great experience to do dreamwork- though I stopped putting the dreams on pen and paper. I still do dreamwork and even now I'm grappling with yesterday's and today's dreams which apparently are about a common theme.

I use dreams sometimes to solve many of my problems. Dreams themselves aren't scary per se. I find it a waste of sleep if I can't recall my dreams.

Fear and trembling comes the more I probe into the dynamics of dreams, and meditation. There, I have found myself looking at what some would call 'God', or 'life force'. And the sensation I get is almost overwhelming. Then when I consider the power in the dream and how it can be used? The trembling increases.

Why the occult? For example when I consider the zygote, or the seed and what makes up for the development, I find a concept like 'Akashic space' useful and apt. And it's not the only idea that emerges as useful. How can a prophet see the future? These and many other situations like psychic phenomena belong to the dream world. Science as we know it can't handle these 'things' without changing its nature.

It's much like enjoying driving without caring about the mechanics. But once one decides to engage in mechanics one enters in a different and more demanding world all together.



Oh wao! haha! So what have your findings been? Any idea as to why you have the common theme?


The common theme was a result of the focus of my conscious thoughts and desires, and apparently my deeper needs as an organism. Let me illustrate:

1. In my conscious thought I was trying to reconcile my relationships to my learning experience - I have been working on healing myself and learning has been part of therapy. The feelings accompanying these thoughts have included anger, resentment, frustration, exertion ...

2. The dreams have illustrated my sense of dependence on others and the effects. For example I have appeared as insecure, aloof, ostentatious but shallow, contentious ...

3. In what I may term as 'superconscious' the dreams have not just been descriptive, they have been prescriptive showing me gradually the changes I need to make. For example the dreams have directed me to see how I need to depend on others and how others depend on me. The superconscious also has changed my understanding of the conscious thoughts I've been having. The feelings I get are of relief, reconciliation, enlightenment ...

Actually the common theme was pronounced in the last four days ending yesterday. Today I suspect I entered into new territory.


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