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Jon Jones
#1 Posted : Saturday, October 17, 2015 1:53:20 PM
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Hello Wazua Veterans. I am a young person aged 23yrs...salary around Ksh 100,000 net. I believe that most of you were once here at some point. Single, and not ready to mingle. I have been having many thoughts on how to use my extra cash because my expenses hardly reach 25k. Sometimes I think of buying a car, other times I think of land, matatu, etc. Please note that I have a full time job 8-5. I figured that since most wazuans have been at this point before, I can get some insight in things they would have done differently, and then apply them in my own life. Thanks in advance!
Since men have learned to shoot without missing, I have learned to fly without perching
sparkly
#2 Posted : Saturday, October 17, 2015 3:32:16 PM
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Joined: 9/23/2009
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Location: Enk are Nyirobi
Jon Jones wrote:
Hello Wazua Veterans. I am a young person aged 23yrs...salary around Ksh 100,000 net. I believe that most of you were once here at some point. Single, and not ready to mingle. I have been having many thoughts on how to use my extra cash because my expenses hardly reach 25k. Sometimes I think of buying a car, other times I think of land, matatu, etc. Please note that I have a full time job 8-5. I figured that since most wazuans have been at this point before, I can get some insight in things they would have done differently, and then apply them in my own life. Thanks in advance!


You are truly a special specie. In my years on earth, I have never met anyone who has no idea of what to do with extra cash.
Life is short. Live passionately.
aljazeera
#3 Posted : Saturday, October 17, 2015 6:23:32 PM
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Joined: 6/22/2015
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sparkly wrote:
Jon Jones wrote:
Hello Wazua Veterans. I am a young person aged 23yrs...salary around Ksh 100,000 net. I believe that most of you were once here at some point. Single, and not ready to mingle. I have been having many thoughts on how to use my extra cash because my expenses hardly reach 25k. Sometimes I think of buying a car, other times I think of land, matatu, etc. Please note that I have a full time job 8-5. I figured that since most wazuans have been at this point before, I can get some insight in things they would have done differently, and then apply them in my own life. Thanks in advance!


You are truly a special specie. In my years on earth, I have never met anyone who has no idea of what to do with extra cash Sad .



I once worked with an old guy at the same level and always got amazed at how he would find and give the best positive and motivative answer even to the most ridiculous questions from some of us who were almost age mates to his kids then.I adored him for that.This
Quote:
single and not ready to mingle young man
needs help ...and that is what he want most NOW not ridicule or dismissive language or mockery.The young man has faith in Wazua and more so ELDERS.
A Theory of Everything.
jerry
#4 Posted : Saturday, October 17, 2015 8:33:37 PM
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Simple answer: Make a five year strategic plan that should include courtshop! Invest in real estate, treasury bonds/bills, ... Matatu ???
The opposite of courage is not cowardice, it's conformity.
enyands
#5 Posted : Saturday, October 17, 2015 9:18:49 PM
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Joined: 12/25/2014
Posts: 2,300
Location: kenya
aljazeera wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Jon Jones wrote:
Hello Wazua Veterans. I am a young person aged 23yrs...salary around Ksh 100,000 net. I believe that most of you were once here at some point. Single, and not ready to mingle. I have been having many thoughts on how to use my extra cash because my expenses hardly reach 25k. Sometimes I think of buying a car, other times I think of land, matatu, etc. Please note that I have a full time job 8-5. I figured that since most wazuans have been at this point before, I can get some insight in things they would have done differently, and then apply them in my own life. Thanks in advance!


You are truly a special specie. In my years on earth, I have never met anyone who has no idea of what to do with extra cash Sad .



I once worked with an old guy at the same level and always got amazed at how he would find and give the best positive and motivative answer even to the most ridiculous questions from some of us who were almost age mates to his kids then.I adored him for that.This
Quote:
single and not ready to mingle young man
needs help ...and that is what he want most NOW not ridicule or dismissive language or mockery.The young man has faith in Wazua and more so ELDERS.



Thank you aljazeera. He is here to be helped with ideas . But putting someone down isn't leadership. Reminds me of someone i used to have in primo . I tried once to go ask for help with math and he made me feel like crap and never helped. I made sure I will proved him wrong one day . We went to different high schools . Guess what,he came to me for help during school holidays with the same math.I got satisfaction that I always wanted to achieve from him and there was nothing satisfying like that .

Back to young man , buy plots through saccos like safaricom sacco or stima sacco or any other prudent . The good thing with land they will appreciate as you figure out what you want to do with money . When you will have a business idea you will dispose and by then God willing they would have appreciated in one way or another. Exercise caution buying land from individual .
Some stocks are discounted now.if you buy them now look up to 4 yrs from now because don't expect them to rise anytime soon.things don't look good in kenyan market and won't in a while

Read other threads here you will find something resourceful too. All the best
obiero
#6 Posted : Saturday, October 17, 2015 9:36:44 PM
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whatever you do, never buy a car before the house.. u will loose about 5yrs of life incase u go for the car first

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aljazeera
#7 Posted : Saturday, October 17, 2015 9:49:59 PM
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Joined: 6/22/2015
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Location: Nairobi
enyands wrote:
aljazeera wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Jon Jones wrote:
Hello Wazua Veterans. I am a young person aged 23yrs...salary around Ksh 100,000 net. I believe that most of you were once here at some point. Single, and not ready to mingle. I have been having many thoughts on how to use my extra cash because my expenses hardly reach 25k. Sometimes I think of buying a car, other times I think of land, matatu, etc. Please note that I have a full time job 8-5. I figured that since most wazuans have been at this point before, I can get some insight in things they would have done differently, and then apply them in my own life. Thanks in advance!


You are truly a special specie. In my years on earth, I have never met anyone who has no idea of what to do with extra cash Sad .



I once worked with an old guy at the same level and always got amazed at how he would find and give the best positive and motivative answer even to the most ridiculous questions from some of us who were almost age mates to his kids then.I adored him for that.This
Quote:
single and not ready to mingle young man
needs help ...and that is what he want most NOW not ridicule or dismissive language or mockery.The young man has faith in Wazua and more so ELDERS.



Thank you aljazeera. He is here to be helped with ideas . But putting someone down isn't leadership. Reminds me of someone i used to have in primo . I tried once to go ask for help with math and he made me feel like crap and never helped. I made sure I will proved him wrong one day . We went to different high schools . Guess what,he came to me for help during school holidays with the same math.I got satisfaction that I always wanted to achieve from him and there was nothing satisfying like that .

Back to young man , buy plots through saccos like safaricom sacco or stima sacco or any other prudent . The good thing with land they will appreciate as you figure out what you want to do with money . When you will have a business idea you will dispose and by then God willing they would have appreciated in one way or another. Exercise caution buying land from individual .
Some stocks are discounted now.if you buy them now look up to 4 yrs from now because don't expect them to rise anytime soon.things don't look good in kenyan market and won't in a while

Read other threads here you will find something resourceful too. All the best



@Jon Jones Wazua is goldmine of information and if you take your time and search in the archives you will get a lot of information.I mean a lot of it from real estate to Forex to just almost any form of investment ideas and options.There are are also good people at Wazua who would be very helpful.Best saccos have been discussed here ,best unit trust funds have been discussed at Wazua,Pyramid schemes have been discussed ,best cars have been discussed ,best stocks have been discussed ,best banks have been discussed even best brothels and best rated hotel in mombasa have been discussed at Wazua and so many more .Just dig well.
some of the links here from Wazua would act to introduce you to previous discussions

1. Where Can I Invest 100k ?
2.Matatu Business
3. Wazua » Groups » Advice » The best sacco to join
Search Wazua and you wont come out empty handed.Thank me later.

A Theory of Everything.
Jon Jones
#8 Posted : Saturday, October 17, 2015 10:03:39 PM
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Joined: 9/11/2015
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Location: Thika
Thank you guys. I think the buying plots route is the best. I have checked "The best sacco to join" but contributors have digressed from what the originator wanted...the guy asked which sacco was the best to use for land purchases, but members have contributed without this specific request in mind citing other factors such as dividends etc. ::::My question is, has anyone here ever bought land successfully through a sacco, and received the TITLE DEED promptly? If yes, which sacco was it?::::with this information, I will be in a better position to google the rest of the information about the sacco/s
Since men have learned to shoot without missing, I have learned to fly without perching
sparkly
#9 Posted : Saturday, October 17, 2015 10:23:23 PM
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@Jon Jones, @Aljazeera, @enyands cut to the chase. What are you selling?

There is no living 23 year old with financial circumstances/ problems that you described.
Life is short. Live passionately.
enyands
#10 Posted : Sunday, October 18, 2015 2:57:43 AM
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Joined: 12/25/2014
Posts: 2,300
Location: kenya
sparkly wrote:
@Jon Jones, @Aljazeera, @enyands cut to the chase. What are you selling?

There is no living 23 year old with financial circumstances/ problems that you described.


What we are selling is if you have no help you want to give him it's better you leave him to figure it out than tell him something like what you did.you make it sound like here in wazua we have rude breed of people. Pole if I sound mean but it's what I see.
sparkly
#11 Posted : Sunday, October 18, 2015 7:29:53 AM
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Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
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enyands wrote:
sparkly wrote:
@Jon Jones, @Aljazeera, @enyands cut to the chase. What are you selling?

There is no living 23 year old with financial circumstances/ problems that you described.


What we are selling is if you have no help you want to give him it's better you leave him to figure it out than tell him something like what you did.you make it sound like here in wazua we have rude breed of people. Pole if I sound mean but it's what I see.


@rjaz, @aljazeera, @jon Jones, @enyands are multiple handles of one person.
Life is short. Live passionately.
enyands
#12 Posted : Sunday, October 18, 2015 7:39:02 AM
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Joined: 12/25/2014
Posts: 2,300
Location: kenya
sparkly wrote:
enyands wrote:
sparkly wrote:
@Jon Jones, @Aljazeera, @enyands cut to the chase. What are you selling?

There is no living 23 year old with financial circumstances/ problems that you described.


What we are selling is if you have no help you want to give him it's better you leave him to figure it out than tell him something like what you did.you make it sound like here in wazua we have rude breed of people. Pole if I sound mean but it's what I see.


@rjaz, @aljazeera, @jon Jones, @enyands are multiple handles of one person.


U just made my evening ..Applause
aljazeera
#13 Posted : Sunday, October 18, 2015 9:07:27 AM
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Joined: 6/22/2015
Posts: 51
Location: Nairobi
enyands wrote:
sparkly wrote:
enyands wrote:
sparkly wrote:
@Jon Jones, @Aljazeera, @enyands cut to the chase. What are you selling?

There is no living 23 year old with financial circumstances/ problems that you described.


What we are selling is if you have no help you want to give him it's better you leave him to figure it out than tell him something like what you did.you make it sound like here in wazua we have rude breed of people. Pole if I sound mean but it's what I see.


@rjaz, @aljazeera, @jon Jones, @enyands are multiple handles of one person.


U just made my evening ..Applause


@Sparkly How did you come to your conclusion ?Anyway am outta this thread!
A Theory of Everything.
sparkly
#14 Posted : Sunday, October 18, 2015 9:20:49 AM
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Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
enyands wrote:
sparkly wrote:
enyands wrote:
sparkly wrote:
@Jon Jones, @Aljazeera, @enyands cut to the chase. What are you selling?

There is no living 23 year old with financial circumstances/ problems that you described.


What we are selling is if you have no help you want to give him it's better you leave him to figure it out than tell him something like what you did.you make it sound like here in wazua we have rude breed of people. Pole if I sound mean but it's what I see.


@rjaz, @aljazeera, @jon Jones, @enyands are multiple handles of one person.


U just made my evening ..Applause

Gland I did.
Let's not forget the basics in the rush to advise...

Age 21-27: Age of starting careers. moving out of home. most income goes into buying stuff- households, electronics, first car. Best investment is in further education, professional courses.

Age 28-35: Age of growth. Established in career, moving into management, gets married, young family, upgrade car and neighborhood.

Age 36-42: Age of stability. career and earnings peak, probably gets a mortgage/constructing.

Age 43-49:Age of maturity. Kids in school, big household budget, mid life crises.

Age 50-56: Achievement. Kids in campus/moving out, completes mortgage, about to retire.

Age 57-69: Retirement, end of active income, holidays, grand kids, most expenses are health related.

70+ Bonus.

Bottom line is that a 23 yr old earning 100k net with a 8-5 job and 75k to spare will be busy moving out of his parents house, furnishing the house, shopping for a Subaru and enjoying freedom.

Best thing to do would be to save for self improvement/further studies. move into a bed sitter/studio apartment conveniently located near the workplace. This eliminates need to buy a car. Furnish it minimally, stuff he can give away or sell in case he wants to relocate for further studies.
Life is short. Live passionately.
aljazeera
#15 Posted : Sunday, October 18, 2015 9:25:45 AM
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Joined: 6/22/2015
Posts: 51
Location: Nairobi
sparkly wrote:
enyands wrote:
sparkly wrote:
enyands wrote:
sparkly wrote:
@Jon Jones, @Aljazeera, @enyands cut to the chase. What are you selling?

There is no living 23 year old with financial circumstances/ problems that you described.


What we are selling is if you have no help you want to give him it's better you leave him to figure it out than tell him something like what you did.you make it sound like here in wazua we have rude breed of people. Pole if I sound mean but it's what I see.


@rjaz, @aljazeera, @jon Jones, @enyands are multiple handles of one person.


U just made my evening ..Applause

Gland I did.
Let's not forget the basics in the rush to advise...

Age 21-27: Age of starting careers. moving out of home. most income goes into buying stuff- households, electronics, first car. Best investment is in further education, professional courses.

Age 28-35: Age of growth. Established in career, moving into management, gets married, young family, upgrade car and neighborhood.

Age 36-42: Age of stability. career and earnings peak, probably gets a mortgage/constructing.

Age 43-49:Age of maturity. Kids in school, big household budget, mid life crises.

Age 50-56: Achievement. Kids in campus/moving out, completes mortgage, about to retire.

Age 57-69: Retirement, end of active income, holidays, grand kids, most expenses are health related.

70+ Bonus.

Bottom line is that a 23 yr old earning 100k net with a 8-5 job and 75k to spare will be busy moving out of his parents house, furnishing the house, shopping for a Subaru and enjoying freedom.

Best thing to do would be to save for self improvement/further studies. move into a bed sitter/studio apartment conveniently located near the workplace. This eliminates need to buy a car. Furnish it minimally, stuff he can give away or sell in case he wants to relocate for further studies.


@Sparkly you have finally said something good to the young man.Applause
A Theory of Everything.
enyands
#16 Posted : Sunday, October 18, 2015 10:23:50 AM
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Joined: 12/25/2014
Posts: 2,300
Location: kenya
aljazeera wrote:
sparkly wrote:
enyands wrote:
sparkly wrote:
enyands wrote:
sparkly wrote:
@Jon Jones, @Aljazeera, @enyands cut to the chase. What are you selling?

There is no living 23 year old with financial circumstances/ problems that you described.


What we are selling is if you have no help you want to give him it's better you leave him to figure it out than tell him something like what you did.you make it sound like here in wazua we have rude breed of people. Pole if I sound mean but it's what I see.


@rjaz, @aljazeera, @jon Jones, @enyands are multiple handles of one person.


U just made my evening ..Applause

Gland I did.
Let's not forget the basics in the rush to advise...

Age 21-27: Age of starting careers. moving out of home. most income goes into buying stuff- households, electronics, first car. Best investment is in further education, professional courses.

Age 28-35: Age of growth. Established in career, moving into management, gets married, young family, upgrade car and neighborhood.

Age 36-42: Age of stability. career and earnings peak, probably gets a mortgage/constructing.

Age 43-49:Age of maturity. Kids in school, big household budget, mid life crises.

Age 50-56: Achievement. Kids in campus/moving out, completes mortgage, about to retire.

Age 57-69: Retirement, end of active income, holidays, grand kids, most expenses are health related.

70+ Bonus.

Bottom line is that a 23 yr old earning 100k net with a 8-5 job and 75k to spare will be busy moving out of his parents house, furnishing the house, shopping for a Subaru and enjoying freedom.

Best thing to do would be to save for self improvement/further studies. move into a bed sitter/studio apartment conveniently located near the workplace. This eliminates need to buy a car. Furnish it minimally, stuff he can give away or sell in case he wants to relocate for further studies.


@Sparkly you have finally said something good to the young man.Applause


@aljazeera, me you and the gentleman to sparkly eyes are assumed to be the same person in different user names .anyway he has given the young man good advise and let the case rest .Applause
Gathige
#17 Posted : Sunday, October 18, 2015 11:46:09 AM
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Joined: 3/29/2011
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Jon Jones wrote:
Hello Wazua Veterans. I am a young person aged 23yrs...salary around Ksh 100,000 net. I believe that most of you were once here at some point. Single, and not ready to mingle. I have been having many thoughts on how to use my extra cash because my expenses hardly reach 25k. Sometimes I think of buying a car, other times I think of land, matatu, etc. Please note that I have a full time job 8-5. I figured that since most wazuans have been at this point before, I can get some insight in things they would have done differently, and then apply them in my own life. Thanks in advance!



@Jon Jones, I was where you are 20yrs ago, earning 60k then. Here is my "old Mans" wisdom.

1. Before you get to 25, "settle down",i mean marry or get married, if you even plan to take that route. Don't hussle alone. Life is tough and one is too small a number for impact!
2. Look for a plot and build a home, where you can raise a family. This helps develop a long term view of life. The idea of renting and Kuhama hama , which i call a "pastoralists idea" is not good.
3. Build your career: Get all the requisite papers in your career line b4 you get to 30. After the papers, then solidify your career by identifying where you like to work and stick there. That way you become an authority early and the rest will be nyweeeeeee like in mteremko.
4. Avoid side hussles that are time and cash consuming. By the time i was 30, i had lost money in all money of biasharas- online catalogue ( never picked up), export of a unique product- used to make like 10times profit but conmen gallore and quit, Chicken farming--- imagine walking to wakulima market at 4.00am dressed in a suit to make a delivery and then move to woork before it. Side hussles were not worth it and lost cash.
5. Pack extra cash in cheap land where there potential of growth. Do the assessments yourself and don't relly on Saccos and land selling companies. They sell land at 2-5times what land in the same neighborhood goes for.
6. Avoid get rich schemes: Don't trust your barber shop guy to give you advice on gold.
7. Join several Saccos: They say it's illegal to be a member of more than one, but no one ever checks. Banks are a rip-off all the time, but Saccos can easily bail you out when you need cash.

Come back after 20 yrs and thank me.
"Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
UpcomingPaperChaser
#18 Posted : Sunday, October 18, 2015 12:50:27 PM
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Joined: 1/20/2015
Posts: 489
Location: Nairobi
Gathige wrote:
Jon Jones wrote:
Hello Wazua Veterans. I am a young person aged 23yrs...salary around Ksh 100,000 net. I believe that most of you were once here at some point. Single, and not ready to mingle. I have been having many thoughts on how to use my extra cash because my expenses hardly reach 25k. Sometimes I think of buying a car, other times I think of land, matatu, etc. Please note that I have a full time job 8-5. I figured that since most wazuans have been at this point before, I can get some insight in things they would have done differently, and then apply them in my own life. Thanks in advance!



@Jon Jones, I was where you are 20yrs ago, earning 60k then. Here is my "old Mans" wisdom.

1. Before you get to 25, "settle down",i mean marry or get married, if you even plan to take that route. Don't hussle alone. Life is tough and one is too small a number for impact!
2. Look for a plot and build a home, where you can raise a family. This helps develop a long term view of life. The idea of renting and Kuhama hama , which i call a "pastoralists idea" is not good.
3. Build your career: Get all the requisite papers in your career line b4 you get to 30. After the papers, then solidify your career by identifying where you like to work and stick there. That way you become an authority early and the rest will be nyweeeeeee like in mteremko.
4. Avoid side hussles that are time and cash consuming. By the time i was 30, i had lost money in all money of biasharas- online catalogue ( never picked up), export of a unique product- used to make like 10times profit but conmen gallore and quit, Chicken farming--- imagine walking to wakulima market at 4.00am dressed in a suit to make a delivery and then move to woork before it. Side hussles were not worth it and lost cash.
5. Pack extra cash in cheap land where there potential of growth. Do the assessments yourself and don't relly on Saccos and land selling companies. They sell land at 2-5times what land in the same neighborhood goes for.
6. Avoid get rich schemes: Don't trust your barber shop guy to give you advice on gold.
7. Join several Saccos: They say it's illegal to be a member of more than one, but no one ever checks. Banks are a rip-off all the time, but Saccos can easily bail you out when you need cash.

Come back after 20 yrs and thank me.


I agree with most of the tings that you have written above, but i disagree on the one that says that you should marry or be married. So according to you, you are marrying in order to get a helper and not because you are in love? i think for most of us who live in nairobi, marrying should be an affair of people who are 30 and above! at 25 you will be restricting yourself so much with a wife and a kid
Enjoy every moment of your life, you never know when your time will come.
point
#19 Posted : Sunday, October 18, 2015 1:36:32 PM
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Jon,

Join a good sacco,contribute as much as you can, actually, put a standing order if u can.

also,start buying plots in the range if 400-700 on the outskirts of Nairobi.

forget about the transport business for now and concentrate on real estate.

*Nairobi chiqs will milk u dry!! forget them!!
enyands
#20 Posted : Sunday, October 18, 2015 2:38:32 PM
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Joined: 12/25/2014
Posts: 2,300
Location: kenya
point wrote:
Jon,

Join a good sacco,contribute as much as you can, actually, put a standing order if u can.

also,start buying plots in the range if 400-700 on the outskirts of Nairobi.

forget about the transport business for now and concentrate on real estate.

*Nairobi chiqs will milk u dry!! forget them!!



Groom one from oocha. U don't need to marry her right away but be friends. when the time is ready for you to marry,then u marry your friend than bed associate. Look for long term investment goals like joining several saccos .this a good point from above . If I could take my years back to where you are I would have made better choices .but learn from guys above . I rest my case and tell us your success later .
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