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Swenani, I tend to think this thing is not voluntary. There is some compulsion. Why would anyone go where he is not welcome?
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/6/2011 Posts: 391 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:
Swenani, I tend to think this thing is not voluntary. There is some compulsion. Why would anyone go where he is not welcome?
Muriel , would the illusion of safety etc not want you to cross? Besides maybe some of the people do not actually know the fate of those that go before them. "You can't have everything. Where would you put it?" - Stephen Wright
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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Muriel wrote:
Swenani, I tend to think this thing is not voluntary. There is some compulsion. Why would anyone go where he is not welcome?
It is a complex problem, but indeed it is not 'voluntary.' The conditions of economic deprivation and/or political repression are a important push factors that force people to take the risk. The following article makes for a painful read but is quite revealing: "If I die at sea, it's not a problem β at least I won't be tortured" "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Speculz wrote:Muriel wrote:
Swenani, I tend to think this thing is not voluntary. There is some compulsion. Why would anyone go where he is not welcome?
Muriel , would the illusion of safety etc not want you to cross? Besides maybe some of the people do not actually know the fate of those that go before them. I know not of others from other continents, but the African needs to stop boarding ships to other continents.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:
Swenani, I tend to think this thing is not voluntary. There is some compulsion. Why would anyone go where he is not welcome?
It is a complex problem, but indeed it is not 'voluntary.' The conditions of economic deprivation and/or political repression are a important push factors that force people to take the risk. The following article makes for a painful read but is quite revealing: "If I die at sea, it's not a problem β at least I won't be tortured" They are depleting Africa of fighters and defenders.
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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40 more dieIf Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/1/2010 Posts: 3,024 Location: Hapa
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Muriel wrote:
Swenani, I tend to think this thing is not voluntary. There is some compulsion. Why would anyone go where he is not welcome?
Same reason why Kenyans fall for pyramid scams everytime....the risk seems enormous but there is a perception that if one gets worth the reward, it will be totally worth it. IF... Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. - Muhammad Aliπ
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Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:
Swenani, I tend to think this thing is not voluntary. There is some compulsion. Why would anyone go where he is not welcome?
It is a complex problem, but indeed it is not 'voluntary.' The conditions of economic deprivation and/or political repression are a important push factors that force people to take the risk. The following article makes for a painful read but is quite revealing: "If I die at sea, it's not a problem β at least I won't be tortured" They are depleting Africa of fighters and defenders. The real paradox is Europe's myopic reaction to these modern day 'boat people.' They spend billions to keep the doors closed. Yet, with rapidly aging populations, in less than 50 years Europe will be begging for immigrants to save their economies. By then Africa, Asia and the Middle East will have moved on. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/2/2009 Posts: 2,458 Location: Nairobi
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Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:
Swenani, I tend to think this thing is not voluntary. There is some compulsion. Why would anyone go where he is not welcome?
It is a complex problem, but indeed it is not 'voluntary.' The conditions of economic deprivation and/or political repression are a important push factors that force people to take the risk. The following article makes for a painful read but is quite revealing: "If I die at sea, it's not a problem β at least I won't be tortured" They are depleting Africa of fighters and defenders. The real paradox is Europe's myopic reaction to these modern day 'boat people.' They spend billions to keep the doors closed. Yet, with rapidly aging populations, in less than 50 years Europe will be begging for immigrants to save their economies. By then Africa, Asia and the Middle East will have moved on. Please allow me to call you Schupid! Now go ahead... carry on
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poundfoolish wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:
Swenani, I tend to think this thing is not voluntary. There is some compulsion. Why would anyone go where he is not welcome?
It is a complex problem, but indeed it is not 'voluntary.' The conditions of economic deprivation and/or political repression are a important push factors that force people to take the risk. The following article makes for a painful read but is quite revealing: "If I die at sea, it's not a problem β at least I won't be tortured" They are depleting Africa of fighters and defenders. The real paradox is Europe's myopic reaction to these modern day 'boat people.' They spend billions to keep the doors closed. Yet, with rapidly aging populations, in less than 50 years Europe will be begging for immigrants to save their economies. By then Africa, Asia and the Middle East will have moved on. Please allow me to call you Schupid! Now go ahead... carry on Sorry, I don't do gutter Of course you are free to wallow to your hearts content. It is a free country. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/27/2010 Posts: 951 Location: Nyumbani
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People think that being an African out here you should sympathise with fellow African immigrants.I have watched the horror arrivals for some time now.Most of the current immigrants are from Senegal and Guinea plus more from Eritrea,Ethiopia,Sudan and Somalia.Most of them are saying they are seeking assylum.I think the only people who should be seeking assylum are Somalis.I have never heard of any war in Senegal or Guinea. Eritreans are in dictatorship. How come there are no Congolese on those ships? The problem is even the genuine assylum seekers will not get a chance coz they will all be treated the same. But the problem lies elsewhere! whereas Kenyans can queue at the US, UK,Australian,SA, German and any other embassy (nordic countries)Spanish, ,French,Italian etc , these guys only speak French.They will all seek visas to go to France.France went into an agreement with Morocco regarding student visas.At the moment, Morocco sends more students than all other African (Nyeuthi) countries combined so these guys will go to the embassy every day only to be told NO. The only hope is the sea. By the way i hear there are Kenyans who applied for assylum in Canada after 2003 "war" and got it.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 12/18/2012 Posts: 94
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Who would have thought Kenyans would be crossing the Mediterranean. Are things in Kenya that desperate?
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/23/2007 Posts: 604
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Tara wrote:Who would have thought Kenyans would be crossing the Mediterranean. Are things in Kenya that desperate? Akina Kamau do it for adventure...
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Coolbull wrote:Tara wrote:Who would have thought Kenyans would be crossing the Mediterranean. Are things in Kenya that desperate? Akina Kamau do it for adventure... Adventure? Which adventure? Death in high seas?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/9/2006 Posts: 1,502
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I wonder why only Africans are drowning trying to cross to other men land. work to prosper
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Tokyo wrote:I wonder why only Africans are drowning trying to cross to other men land. Its normal, nomads have to move here and there, thats how they met the neanderthal interbred and produced the white race. Such is life. Asians are drowning trying to get to Australia and in a few months, you'll hear of South Americans trying to get to N. America. Well...you know of how Australia, USA and Canada came to be "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Wakanyugi wrote:poundfoolish wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:
Swenani, I tend to think this thing is not voluntary. There is some compulsion. Why would anyone go where he is not welcome?
It is a complex problem, but indeed it is not 'voluntary.' The conditions of economic deprivation and/or political repression are a important push factors that force people to take the risk. The following article makes for a painful read but is quite revealing: "If I die at sea, it's not a problem β at least I won't be tortured" They are depleting Africa of fighters and defenders. The real paradox is Europe's myopic reaction to these modern day 'boat people.' They spend billions to keep the doors closed. Yet, with rapidly aging populations, in less than 50 years Europe will be begging for immigrants to save their economies. By then Africa, Asia and the Middle East will have moved on. Please allow me to call you Schupid! Now go ahead... carry on Sorry, I don't do gutter Of course you are free to wallow to your hearts content. It is a free country. Absolutely. The brotherhood does not do gutter. It has high social standards. That was a (censored) statement from pound foolish. Yes. Their populations are aging and they foster conflict in which hundreds of thousands die creating a backlash of sorts then attempt to 'protect' themselves. Indeed, a myopic reaction. It's untrue to insist the status quo will be, all other things being constant, in the next 100 years.
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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Tokyo wrote:I wonder why only Africans are drowning trying to cross to other men land. Because African leaders and society have failed them If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa
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Muriel wrote:
Swenani, I tend to think this thing is not voluntary. There is some compulsion. Why would anyone go where he is not welcome?
Lots of people are hopeless, desperate or depressed and are seeking a better life. Man we Africans need to fix our countries.
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