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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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I am yet to hear of Africans south of the sahara being 'suicide bombers'. I could be wrong! I have noticed that they can be as nutty as Al-shabab or even boko haram. They generally throw grenades and shoot people. And lately they are now using sheep, goats, camels e.t.c. as suicide bombers. Why do you think this is the case? or it's an internal thing related to what we discussed hereAll Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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You are asking about what accounts for strategic and tactical differences between dissident operations north of the Sahara and those south of the Sahara. Many answers are available, but the way to go about it would involve plenty of intelligence analysis - and there are some analyses available on PDF if you search.
As for the fear factor, we need to ask if there have been instances south of Sahara where dissidents used tactics that are similar to suicide bombings. Marakana massacre is one of them and it comes from a tradition that goes to pre-colonial times.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:You are asking about what accounts for strategic and tactical differences between dissident operations north of the Sahara and those south of the Sahara. Many answers are available, but the way to go about it would involve plenty of intelligence analysis - and there are some analyses available on PDF if you search.
As for the fear factor, we need to ask if there have been instances south of Sahara where dissidents used tactics that are similar to suicide bombings. Marakana massacre is one of them and it comes from a tradition that goes to pre-colonial times. I could be wrong but participants in the Marakana massacre did not really 'jitolea mhanga' they never really thought that they will be shot at by their police right? kinda reminds me of a Jon Stewart and Trevor Noah skit Quote:
Jon: welcome, sir! (cheers and applause) now, you just flew in yesterday.
Trevor: yeah, and boy are my arms tired! all right, then, oldie but a goody. no, seriously, i've been holding my arms like this (holding them up) since i got here. i never thought i'd be more afraid of police in america than in south africa. you know, it makes me a little nostalgic for the old days back home.
Jon: c'mon, are you saying black people in south africa today don't get assaulted and killed by police?
Trevor: oh they do, but the difference is now they're getting killed by "black" police officers. progress!.
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:You are asking about what accounts for strategic and tactical differences between dissident operations north of the Sahara and those south of the Sahara. Many answers are available, but the way to go about it would involve plenty of intelligence analysis - and there are some analyses available on PDF if you search.
As for the fear factor, we need to ask if there have been instances south of Sahara where dissidents used tactics that are similar to suicide bombings. Marakana massacre is one of them and it comes from a tradition that goes to pre-colonial times. I could be wrong but participants in the Marakana massacre did not really 'jitolea mhanga' they never really thought that they will be shot at by their police right? kinda reminds me of a Jon Stewart and Trevor Noah skit Quote:
Jon: welcome, sir! (cheers and applause) now, you just flew in yesterday.
Trevor: yeah, and boy are my arms tired! all right, then, oldie but a goody. no, seriously, i've been holding my arms like this (holding them up) since i got here. i never thought i'd be more afraid of police in america than in south africa. you know, it makes me a little nostalgic for the old days back home.
Jon: c'mon, are you saying black people in south africa today don't get assaulted and killed by police?
Trevor: oh they do, but the difference is now they're getting killed by "black" police officers. progress!.
It's difficult to show that it was reasonable for the miners not to expect confrontation. Again it's important to note what similarities there are between this case and a typical suicide bombing case.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:You are asking about what accounts for strategic and tactical differences between dissident operations north of the Sahara and those south of the Sahara. Many answers are available, but the way to go about it would involve plenty of intelligence analysis - and there are some analyses available on PDF if you search.
As for the fear factor, we need to ask if there have been instances south of Sahara where dissidents used tactics that are similar to suicide bombings. Marakana massacre is one of them and it comes from a tradition that goes to pre-colonial times. I could be wrong but participants in the Marakana massacre did not really 'jitolea mhanga' they never really thought that they will be shot at by their police right? kinda reminds me of a Jon Stewart and Trevor Noah skit Quote:
Jon: welcome, sir! (cheers and applause) now, you just flew in yesterday.
Trevor: yeah, and boy are my arms tired! all right, then, oldie but a goody. no, seriously, i've been holding my arms like this (holding them up) since i got here. i never thought i'd be more afraid of police in america than in south africa. you know, it makes me a little nostalgic for the old days back home.
Jon: c'mon, are you saying black people in south africa today don't get assaulted and killed by police?
Trevor: oh they do, but the difference is now they're getting killed by "black" police officers. progress!.
It's difficult to show that it was reasonable for the miners not to expect confrontation. Again it's important to note what similarities there are between this case and a typical suicide bombing case. they expected confrontation in a traditional sense... tear gas, rungus but not to be shot dead in plain sight of cameras. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:You are asking about what accounts for strategic and tactical differences between dissident operations north of the Sahara and those south of the Sahara. Many answers are available, but the way to go about it would involve plenty of intelligence analysis - and there are some analyses available on PDF if you search.
As for the fear factor, we need to ask if there have been instances south of Sahara where dissidents used tactics that are similar to suicide bombings. Marakana massacre is one of them and it comes from a tradition that goes to pre-colonial times. I could be wrong but participants in the Marakana massacre did not really 'jitolea mhanga' they never really thought that they will be shot at by their police right? kinda reminds me of a Jon Stewart and Trevor Noah skit Quote:
Jon: welcome, sir! (cheers and applause) now, you just flew in yesterday.
Trevor: yeah, and boy are my arms tired! all right, then, oldie but a goody. no, seriously, i've been holding my arms like this (holding them up) since i got here. i never thought i'd be more afraid of police in america than in south africa. you know, it makes me a little nostalgic for the old days back home.
Jon: c'mon, are you saying black people in south africa today don't get assaulted and killed by police?
Trevor: oh they do, but the difference is now they're getting killed by "black" police officers. progress!.
It's difficult to show that it was reasonable for the miners not to expect confrontation. Again it's important to note what similarities there are between this case and a typical suicide bombing case. they expected confrontation in a traditional sense... tear gas, rungus but not to be shot dead in plain sight of cameras. We can try to estimate such a probability by looking at how past confrontations panned out, and the context of the case. On this count I doubt your hypothesis.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:You are asking about what accounts for strategic and tactical differences between dissident operations north of the Sahara and those south of the Sahara. Many answers are available, but the way to go about it would involve plenty of intelligence analysis - and there are some analyses available on PDF if you search.
As for the fear factor, we need to ask if there have been instances south of Sahara where dissidents used tactics that are similar to suicide bombings. Marakana massacre is one of them and it comes from a tradition that goes to pre-colonial times. I could be wrong but participants in the Marakana massacre did not really 'jitolea mhanga' they never really thought that they will be shot at by their police right? kinda reminds me of a Jon Stewart and Trevor Noah skit Quote:
Jon: welcome, sir! (cheers and applause) now, you just flew in yesterday.
Trevor: yeah, and boy are my arms tired! all right, then, oldie but a goody. no, seriously, i've been holding my arms like this (holding them up) since i got here. i never thought i'd be more afraid of police in america than in south africa. you know, it makes me a little nostalgic for the old days back home.
Jon: c'mon, are you saying black people in south africa today don't get assaulted and killed by police?
Trevor: oh they do, but the difference is now they're getting killed by "black" police officers. progress!.
It's difficult to show that it was reasonable for the miners not to expect confrontation. Again it's important to note what similarities there are between this case and a typical suicide bombing case. they expected confrontation in a traditional sense... tear gas, rungus but not to be shot dead in plain sight of cameras. We can try to estimate such a probability by looking at how past confrontations panned out, and the context of the case. On this count I doubt your hypothesis. this is what is known as tango dancing with confusion All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:You are asking about what accounts for strategic and tactical differences between dissident operations north of the Sahara and those south of the Sahara. Many answers are available, but the way to go about it would involve plenty of intelligence analysis - and there are some analyses available on PDF if you search.
As for the fear factor, we need to ask if there have been instances south of Sahara where dissidents used tactics that are similar to suicide bombings. Marakana massacre is one of them and it comes from a tradition that goes to pre-colonial times. I could be wrong but participants in the Marakana massacre did not really 'jitolea mhanga' they never really thought that they will be shot at by their police right? kinda reminds me of a Jon Stewart and Trevor Noah skit Quote:
Jon: welcome, sir! (cheers and applause) now, you just flew in yesterday.
Trevor: yeah, and boy are my arms tired! all right, then, oldie but a goody. no, seriously, i've been holding my arms like this (holding them up) since i got here. i never thought i'd be more afraid of police in america than in south africa. you know, it makes me a little nostalgic for the old days back home.
Jon: c'mon, are you saying black people in south africa today don't get assaulted and killed by police?
Trevor: oh they do, but the difference is now they're getting killed by "black" police officers. progress!.
It's difficult to show that it was reasonable for the miners not to expect confrontation. Again it's important to note what similarities there are between this case and a typical suicide bombing case. they expected confrontation in a traditional sense... tear gas, rungus but not to be shot dead in plain sight of cameras. We can try to estimate such a probability by looking at how past confrontations panned out, and the context of the case. On this count I doubt your hypothesis. this is what is known as tango dancing with confusion Known by who?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:You are asking about what accounts for strategic and tactical differences between dissident operations north of the Sahara and those south of the Sahara. Many answers are available, but the way to go about it would involve plenty of intelligence analysis - and there are some analyses available on PDF if you search.
As for the fear factor, we need to ask if there have been instances south of Sahara where dissidents used tactics that are similar to suicide bombings. Marakana massacre is one of them and it comes from a tradition that goes to pre-colonial times. I could be wrong but participants in the Marakana massacre did not really 'jitolea mhanga' they never really thought that they will be shot at by their police right? kinda reminds me of a Jon Stewart and Trevor Noah skit Quote:
Jon: welcome, sir! (cheers and applause) now, you just flew in yesterday.
Trevor: yeah, and boy are my arms tired! all right, then, oldie but a goody. no, seriously, i've been holding my arms like this (holding them up) since i got here. i never thought i'd be more afraid of police in america than in south africa. you know, it makes me a little nostalgic for the old days back home.
Jon: c'mon, are you saying black people in south africa today don't get assaulted and killed by police?
Trevor: oh they do, but the difference is now they're getting killed by "black" police officers. progress!.
It's difficult to show that it was reasonable for the miners not to expect confrontation. Again it's important to note what similarities there are between this case and a typical suicide bombing case. they expected confrontation in a traditional sense... tear gas, rungus but not to be shot dead in plain sight of cameras. We can try to estimate such a probability by looking at how past confrontations panned out, and the context of the case. On this count I doubt your hypothesis. this is what is known as tango dancing with confusion Known by who? by some random guy who thinks any conversation with you is in a constant state of disagreement but always agreeing - what's up with that? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Agreement and disagreement don't have to imply or translate to confusion.
The mind is exercised through adversity.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Let me introduce a twist @masukuma. You have a negative attitude, and unjustified at that, towards the black African. And seemingly, you're trying hard to justify the negative attitude, hence the thread and some other comments.
On my end, I have not only to justify confidence in myself as a black African, but I also NEED to arouse confidence and respect for black identity generally.
How's that?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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Why suicide bombing? Were the Mau Maus and all those who fought for independence and freedoms afraid of death? Naah! i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:Let me introduce a twist @masukuma. You have a negative attitude, and unjustified at that, towards the black African. And seemingly, you're trying hard to justify the negative attitude, hence the thread and some other comments.
On my end, I have not only to justify confidence in myself as a black African, but I also NEED to arouse confidence and respect for black identity generally.
How's that? not killing ourselves for a cause IS A GOOD THING! Mau Mau were at war but did not 'jitolea mhanga' kamikaze style..... All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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