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5 Monkey's experiment!!
masukuma
#1 Posted : Tuesday, May 20, 2014 8:40:43 PM
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All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
Mukiri
#2 Posted : Tuesday, May 20, 2014 9:03:45 PM
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Especially how and what we eat.

Proverbs 19:21
kysse
#3 Posted : Tuesday, May 20, 2014 9:24:02 PM
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Nice
My lessons.

Don't be a monkey
Don't embrace a monkey mentality.
Always Ask questions like 'why'
Substitution without changing the operating environment is a big waste of resources
Don't move with the masses without valid reasons
Challenges (cold water) can make us smart and creative or silly and destructive
There's power in team work-they should have brought down that ladder with bananas on top.

And lastly,I think the above depicts how the west plays with Africans.






masukuma
#4 Posted : Tuesday, May 20, 2014 9:26:27 PM
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kysse wrote:
Nice
My lessons.

Don't be a monkey
Don't embrace a monkey mentality.
Always Ask questions like 'why'
Substitution without changing the operating environment is a big waste of resources
Don't move with the masses without valid reasons
Challenges (cold water) can make us smart and creative or silly and destructive
There's power in team work-they should have brought down that ladder with bananas on top.

And lastly,I think the above depicts how the west plays with Africans.







the games were played along time ago we are now the 3rd generation enforcers. Beating up people for reasons we really know nothing about - it's societal conditioning.
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
kysse
#5 Posted : Tuesday, May 20, 2014 10:05:30 PM
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masukuma wrote:

the games were played along time ago we are now the 3rd generation enforcers. Beating up people for reasons we really know nothing about - it's societal conditioning.

Happens the world over.
AlphDoti
#6 Posted : Tuesday, May 20, 2014 10:23:38 PM
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Nice one! I told you the other day it's good to Verify truth. just because someone says he's sorcerer, don't believe it. Go an verify. We have a mind, use it. Verify what the people are saying. Don't be like the monkeys, joining in the beating without asking why, like some people, when people say yes, they say yes. When they say no, you say no. Don't just follow.

We're told to listen to what people are saying, because in that listening you might learn something. If you're told something which is true and you refuse, that's arrogance.
washiku
#7 Posted : Tuesday, May 20, 2014 10:23:43 PM
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Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Reminds me that Sometimes the chains that prevent us from being free and progressing are more mental than physical


alma
#8 Posted : Tuesday, May 20, 2014 10:25:35 PM
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This is Kenya masukuma. You should know better than post that nyef nyef picture. And why are they calling us monkeys?
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
masukuma
#9 Posted : Tuesday, May 20, 2014 10:33:34 PM
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alma wrote:
This is Kenya masukuma. You should know better than post that nyef nyef picture. And why are they calling us monkeys?

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly maybe they are beating us up!!!
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
tycho
#10 Posted : Wednesday, May 21, 2014 7:20:14 AM
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Question(s).

1. Was it foolish or unreasonable for the monkeys to keep the institution of the climbing of ladders? Or rather, was it important for them to know 'why'?

My opinion is that knowing why in this case would be totally irrelevant. They didn't even know or ask why they were where they were from the very beginning. So asking 'why' in the nth generation is useless. The game had already been validated.

2. What insights are applicable to humans?

Reality is a construction that is easily reified. And more often than not humans make monkeys of themselves.

For example, if we can think the 'west' makes the 'Africans' monkeys then we are monkeys indeed.
Kihara joni
#11 Posted : Wednesday, May 21, 2014 8:10:19 AM
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Mukiri wrote:
Especially how and what we eat.

True on this, I had some friends over and decided to make them a
meal so I made beans and added some full potatoes and served them
they looked at me and asked why nawapatia kitoweo tupu because to us
that meal should either come with ugali, rice or spaghetti,
another thing how many times a week does a kenyan eat ugali? at mum's
it's about 5 times the other 2 (weekend) are Githeri .
Muriel
#12 Posted : Wednesday, May 21, 2014 8:19:18 AM
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Kihara joni wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
Especially how and what we eat.

True on this, I had some friends over and decided to make them a
meal so I made beans and added some full potatoes and served them
they looked at me and asked why nawapatia kitoweo tupu because to us
that meal should either come with ugali, rice or spaghetti,
another thing how many times a week does a kenyan eat ugali? at mum's
it's about 5 times the other 2 (weekend) are Githeri .


I do not think that is what Mukiri meant. His is more to do with 'traditional' diets vs 'westernized' diets.
Muriel
#13 Posted : Wednesday, May 21, 2014 8:22:50 AM
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tycho wrote:
Question(s).

1. Was it foolish or unreasonable for the monkeys to keep the institution of the climbing of ladders? Or rather, was it important for them to know 'why'?

My opinion is that knowing why in this case would be totally irrelevant. They didn't even know or ask why they were where they were from the very beginning. So asking 'why' in the nth generation is useless. The game had already been validated.

2. What insights are applicable to humans?

Reality is a construction that is easily reified. And more often than not humans make monkeys of themselves.

For example, if we can think the 'west' makes the 'Africans' monkeys then we are monkeys indeed.



Somewhat true, brother. We cannot expect non-persons to do as persons would. Why, even mentally unstable grown men and women will make decisions that baffle the mentally stable grown men and women.

But an interesting story nevertheless and certainly with subtle lessons to be grasped as appropriate.
Edyj
#14 Posted : Wednesday, May 21, 2014 8:29:31 AM
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masukuma wrote:



Applause Applause Applause Applause
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#15 Posted : Wednesday, May 21, 2014 10:49:17 AM
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Interesting.
washiku
#16 Posted : Wednesday, May 21, 2014 10:58:43 AM
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Kihara joni wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
Especially how and what we eat.

True on this, I had some friends over and decided to make them a
meal so I made beans and added some full potatoes and served them
they looked at me and asked why nawapatia kitoweo tupu because to us
that meal should either come with ugali, rice or spaghetti,
another thing how many times a week does a kenyan eat ugali? at mum's
it's about 5 times the other 2 (weekend) are Githeri .


I always wonder who taught us that chai as we know it must always be a mixture of milk, water and tea leaves...

Heard about "Nipee Bamba 20 ya Airtel?"
masukuma
#17 Posted : Wednesday, May 21, 2014 11:02:37 AM
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Muriel wrote:
Kihara joni wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
Especially how and what we eat.

True on this, I had some friends over and decided to make them a
meal so I made beans and added some full potatoes and served them
they looked at me and asked why nawapatia kitoweo tupu because to us
that meal should either come with ugali, rice or spaghetti,
another thing how many times a week does a kenyan eat ugali? at mum's
it's about 5 times the other 2 (weekend) are Githeri .


I do not think that is what Mukiri meant. His is more to do with 'traditional' diets vs 'westernized' diets.

Perhaps what we consider Kosher type foods fall into this category. A long time ago people may have eaten dirty pigs, snakes, monkeys, hyenas, dogs or even rats and died out of some disease. People then established a societal conditioning that eating pigs, reptiles, primates, canines and some rodents is 'sin' coz they are unclean animals. fast forward a couple of thousand years. If you ask a man on the Kenyan Streets - Do you eat Monkeys? He will look at you like you have insulted him, his wife and his mother!! he will exclaim -NO!! NO!! but when you ask - Why not? He will not give you a satisfactory answer based on his own experience..... has anyone here tasted monkey flesh? If your neighbour was caught cooking monkeys - what would the village do to him???
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
Muriel
#18 Posted : Wednesday, May 21, 2014 11:39:35 AM
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masukuma wrote:
Muriel wrote:
Kihara joni wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
Especially how and what we eat.

True on this, I had some friends over and decided to make them a
meal so I made beans and added some full potatoes and served them
they looked at me and asked why nawapatia kitoweo tupu because to us
that meal should either come with ugali, rice or spaghetti,
another thing how many times a week does a kenyan eat ugali? at mum's
it's about 5 times the other 2 (weekend) are Githeri .


I do not think that is what Mukiri meant. His is more to do with 'traditional' diets vs 'westernized' diets.

Perhaps what we consider Kosher type foods fall into this category. A long time ago people may have eaten dirty pigs, snakes, monkeys, hyenas, dogs or even rats and died out of some disease. People then established a societal conditioning that eating pigs, reptiles, primates, canines and some rodents is 'sin' coz they are unclean animals. fast forward a couple of thousand years. If you ask a man on the Kenyan Streets - Do you eat Monkeys? He will look at you like you have insulted him, his wife and his mother!! he will exclaim -NO!! NO!! but when you ask - Why not? He will not give you a satisfactory answer based on his own experience..... has anyone here tasted monkey flesh? If your neighbour was caught cooking monkeys - what would the village do to him???



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They would probably lynch him, especially if he has been a generous guy sharing his food.

Anyway, that is a flimsy explanation. What would make one go chasing monkeys especially after he has discovered eating easier-to-get vegetation can fill his stomach?

I think that it is the eating of vegetation that has been rained upon by westernization such that today anyone who eats e.g. masukuma regularly is considered 'rural' or 'poor'. And is stigmatized.
washiku
#19 Posted : Wednesday, May 21, 2014 12:42:03 PM
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Like we didnt lynch a former minister for advising we eat rats. Yet we are fine eating rabbits. Lol
AlphDoti
#20 Posted : Wednesday, May 21, 2014 12:53:15 PM
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Muriel wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Muriel wrote:
Kihara joni wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
Especially how and what we eat.

True on this, I had some friends over and decided to make them a
meal so I made beans and added some full potatoes and served them
they looked at me and asked why nawapatia kitoweo tupu because to us
that meal should either come with ugali, rice or spaghetti,
another thing how many times a week does a kenyan eat ugali? at mum's
it's about 5 times the other 2 (weekend) are Githeri .


I do not think that is what Mukiri meant. His is more to do with 'traditional' diets vs 'westernized' diets.

Perhaps what we consider Kosher type foods fall into this category. A long time ago people may have eaten dirty pigs, snakes, monkeys, hyenas, dogs or even rats and died out of some disease. People then established a societal conditioning that eating pigs, reptiles, primates, canines and some rodents is 'sin' coz they are unclean animals. fast forward a couple of thousand years. If you ask a man on the Kenyan Streets - Do you eat Monkeys? He will look at you like you have insulted him, his wife and his mother!! he will exclaim -NO!! NO!! but when you ask - Why not? He will not give you a satisfactory answer based on his own experience..... has anyone here tasted monkey flesh? If your neighbour was caught cooking monkeys - what would the village do to him???

Laugh
Laugh
Laugh

They would probably lynch him, especially if he has been a generous guy sharing his food.

Anyway, that is a flimsy explanation. What would make one go chasing monkeys especially after he has discovered eating easier-to-get vegetation can fill his stomach?

I think that it is the eating of vegetation that has been rained upon by westernization such that today anyone who eats e.g. masukuma regularly is considered 'rural' or 'poor'. And is stigmatized.

@masukuma the part where you said a long time ago, there might be a possibility people went through a phase of trial and error in food and all other complex things we have today. I believe otherwise myself, and it is easy to prove.

Evidence of this is:
If you analyze the complexity of language, "primitive" people would not have developed linguistic complexities that we see today. In fact, if it were true that complexity grows with time, how come we don't use even a quarter of a language. I don't think there is anyone who knows half of my vernacular. That means, the less than half is adequate for survival, so how was it possible to develop the 100% in the first place? For what purpose if 50% is enough to communicate?

And this applies to all human languages the world over are equally complex.

My conviction
The first human was not ignorant creature.

He didn't acquire knowledge gradually.

He was not a pagan who came to know source of creation later.

He was not a dumb creation who learned language out of his own evolutionary faculties.

He didn't lead a life of beast and evolved civilization later.

Rather he was provided by faculty of thought and speech, freedom of choice.

Was taught to know creator from start. And was created in best of forms. Creator spoke to him, and he obeyed the designer or creator.
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