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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/9/2008 Posts: 5,389
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What is wrong with a public servant owning a matatu, flats, houses, land, having cash in the bank etc? Judging from the police vetting, it appears like its a crime for a public officer to own anything. I have seen many enterprising public officers who are making quite some money, from business etc not stealing from govt.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2011 Posts: 4,818 Location: -1.2107, 36.8831
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jaggernaut wrote:What is wrong with a public servant owning a matatu, flats, houses, land, cash in the bank etc? Judging from the police vetting, its like a public officer owning anything is a crime. I have seen many enterprising public officers who are making quite some money, from business etc not stealing from govt. Really? No one is supposed to be poor, but the wealth of MOST of this "Evil servants" is shocking, to say the least. Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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dunkang wrote:jaggernaut wrote:What is wrong with a public servant owning a matatu, flats, houses, land, cash in the bank etc? Judging from the police vetting, its like a public officer owning anything is a crime. I have seen many enterprising public officers who are making quite some money, from business etc not stealing from govt. Really? No one is supposed to be poor, but the wealth of MOST of this "Evil servants" is shocking, to say the least. No. No one is supposed to be poor. But if the rich are evil, then the poor must be equally evil. How can the public servant be rich without being evil, when the poor citizen has condemned himself?
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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Nope. They just need to account for their wealth logically. That is why you can see they are looking at both the assets and liabilities. Eg...if you own pieces of land and you took a loan at a sacco or its an inheritance from your dad, why would anyone want to ask you about it? In fact, the ones they are paying attention to are those whose sources dont really make sense or those that people out there have claimed they own yet they have not declared them. You remember like for King'ori Mwangi there was someone who had said he owns matatus, hotels and a rental apartment at Roysambu yet he had not declared them.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/21/2012 Posts: 1,739
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washiku wrote:Nope. They just need to account for their wealth logically. That is why you can see they are looking at both the assets and liabilities. Eg...if you own pieces of land and you took a loan at a sacco or its an inheritance from your dad, why would anyone want to ask you about it? In fact, the ones they are paying attention to are those whose sources dont really make sense or those that people out there have claimed they own yet they have not declared them. You remember like for King'ori Mwangi there was someone who had said he owns matatus, hotels and a rental apartment at Roysambu yet he had not declared them. Followed the Vetting and sometimes found the Questions and answers very Funny.. Question: Mr Mwangi Kingori, Is it true that you have an estate within Zimmerman. Answer: I am not aware. and if I have sir, the tenants can stop paying rent. Question: Mr Mwangi Kingori, Do you own BELLA VISTA Restaurant? Answer: There are many people called Kingori. Its not Mine sir, and if it is, you can go have lunch for free. Question: Mr Gideon Kimilu, Do you have a house in your Makueni Land. Answer: Of course I do not live under a tree sir... Who really is the other's boss here??  Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God..
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2009 Posts: 2,863
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Am wrote:washiku wrote:Nope. They just need to account for their wealth logically. That is why you can see they are looking at both the assets and liabilities. Eg...if you own pieces of land and you took a loan at a sacco or its an inheritance from your dad, why would anyone want to ask you about it? In fact, the ones they are paying attention to are those whose sources dont really make sense or those that people out there have claimed they own yet they have not declared them. You remember like for King'ori Mwangi there was someone who had said he owns matatus, hotels and a rental apartment at Roysambu yet he had not declared them. Followed the Vetting and sometimes found the Questions and answers very Funny.. Question: Mr Mwangi Kingori, Is it true that you have an estate within Zimmerman. Answer: I am not aware. and if I have sir, the tenants can stop paying rent. Question: Mr Mwangi Kingori, Do you own BELLA VISTA Restaurant? Answer: There are many people called Kingori. Its not Mine sir, and if it is, you can go have lunch for free. Question: Mr Gideon Kimilu, Do you have a house in your Makueni Land. Answer: Of course I do not live under a tree sir... Who really is the other's boss here?? ....and was it a coincidence that most of them had more than one date of birth? IF YOU EXPECT ME TO POST ANYTHING POSITIVE ABOUT ASENO, YOU MAY AS WELL SIT ON A PIN
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/28/2008 Posts: 2,276 Location: Kibish
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Kwani police are supposed to be poor???? Nadondosha meli kubwa seuze ngalawa!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 2,038 Location: GA
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Coolio wrote:Kwani police are supposed to be poor???? No but also how can you explain a cop whose salary is 60k but he is worth 100 million
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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madollar wrote:Coolio wrote:Kwani police are supposed to be poor???? No but also how can you explain a cop whose salary is 60k but he is worth 100 million Who lied to you that people get rich from a salary? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/26/2008 Posts: 2,097
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mwenza wrote:Am wrote:washiku wrote:Nope. They just need to account for their wealth logically. That is why you can see they are looking at both the assets and liabilities. Eg...if you own pieces of land and you took a loan at a sacco or its an inheritance from your dad, why would anyone want to ask you about it? In fact, the ones they are paying attention to are those whose sources dont really make sense or those that people out there have claimed they own yet they have not declared them. You remember like for King'ori Mwangi there was someone who had said he owns matatus, hotels and a rental apartment at Roysambu yet he had not declared them. Followed the Vetting and sometimes found the Questions and answers very Funny.. Question: Mr Mwangi Kingori, Is it true that you have an estate within Zimmerman. Answer: I am not aware. and if I have sir, the tenants can stop paying rent. Question: Mr Mwangi Kingori, Do you own BELLA VISTA Restaurant? Answer: There are many people called Kingori. Its not Mine sir, and if it is, you can go have lunch for free. Question: Mr Gideon Kimilu, Do you have a house in your Makueni Land. Answer: Of course I do not live under a tree sir... Who really is the other's boss here?? ....and was it a coincidence that most of them had more than one date of birth? That was very arrogant for King'ori. I think some of them are damn rich that a threat of a mare retirement is inconsequential. They already know(at least some) that they are headed home and hence Kavulundi can go take free lunch if he is man enough. If today they are retired most of them will be given meager pension compared to their net worth. In any case do you expect any of them to be taken to court to account for their wealth? None! "Never regret, if its good, its wonderful. If its bad, its experience."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/9/2008 Posts: 5,389
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murchr wrote:madollar wrote:Coolio wrote:Kwani police are supposed to be poor???? No but also how can you explain a cop whose salary is 60k but he is worth 100 million Who lied to you that people get rich from a salary? I found some of them quite enterprising like the one who said he's selling water at tassia making 10k per day, and has contracted tractors to Mumias sugar, and used to farm 100+ acres of wheat in narok and has leased lorries to some mining company, among various other business. He must be making over 2m per month.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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Tebes wrote:mwenza wrote:Am wrote:washiku wrote:Nope. They just need to account for their wealth logically. That is why you can see they are looking at both the assets and liabilities. Eg...if you own pieces of land and you took a loan at a sacco or its an inheritance from your dad, why would anyone want to ask you about it? In fact, the ones they are paying attention to are those whose sources dont really make sense or those that people out there have claimed they own yet they have not declared them. You remember like for King'ori Mwangi there was someone who had said he owns matatus, hotels and a rental apartment at Roysambu yet he had not declared them. Followed the Vetting and sometimes found the Questions and answers very Funny.. Question: Mr Mwangi Kingori, Is it true that you have an estate within Zimmerman. Answer: I am not aware. and if I have sir, the tenants can stop paying rent. Question: Mr Mwangi Kingori, Do you own BELLA VISTA Restaurant? Answer: There are many people called Kingori. Its not Mine sir, and if it is, you can go have lunch for free. Question: Mr Gideon Kimilu, Do you have a house in your Makueni Land. Answer: Of course I do not live under a tree sir... Who really is the other's boss here?? ....and was it a coincidence that most of them had more than one date of birth? That was very arrogant for King'ori. I think some of them are damn rich that a threat of a mare retirement is inconsequential. They already know(at least some) that they are headed home and hence Kavulundi can go take free lunch if he is man enough. If today they are retired most of them will be given meager pension compared to their net worth. In any case do you expect any of them to be taken to court to account for their wealth? None! There was one who pleaded with the panel to forgive some of the small mistakes they could have done coz if he is fired, he will just die. "You will start seeing us on the obituaries pages..." He said.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/30/2008 Posts: 6,029
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Tebes wrote:mwenza wrote:Am wrote:washiku wrote:Nope. They just need to account for their wealth logically. That is why you can see they are looking at both the assets and liabilities. Eg...if you own pieces of land and you took a loan at a sacco or its an inheritance from your dad, why would anyone want to ask you about it? In fact, the ones they are paying attention to are those whose sources dont really make sense or those that people out there have claimed they own yet they have not declared them. You remember like for King'ori Mwangi there was someone who had said he owns matatus, hotels and a rental apartment at Roysambu yet he had not declared them. Followed the Vetting and sometimes found the Questions and answers very Funny.. Question: Mr Mwangi Kingori, Is it true that you have an estate within Zimmerman. Answer: I am not aware. and if I have sir, the tenants can stop paying rent. Question: Mr Mwangi Kingori, Do you own BELLA VISTA Restaurant? Answer: There are many people called Kingori. Its not Mine sir, and if it is, you can go have lunch for free. Question: Mr Gideon Kimilu, Do you have a house in your Makueni Land. Answer: Of course I do not live under a tree sir... Who really is the other's boss here?? ....and was it a coincidence that most of them had more than one date of birth? That was very arrogant for King'ori. I think some of them are damn rich that a threat of a mare retirement is inconsequential. They already know(at least some) that they are headed home and hence Kavulundi can go take free lunch if he is man enough. If today they are retired most of them will be given meager pension compared to their net worth. In any case do you expect any of them to be taken to court to account for their wealth? None! It is whispered in certain circles Kingori is a Mason.I would be surprised if he fails the vetting.He takes care of many interests!!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:madollar wrote:Coolio wrote:Kwani police are supposed to be poor???? No but also how can you explain a cop whose salary is 60k but he is worth 100 million Who lied to you that people get rich from a salary? True but atleast you should be able to account as to how you made the 100 million it just dint magically appear... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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jaggernaut wrote:What is wrong with a public servant owning a matatu, flats, houses, land, having cash in the bank etc? Judging from the police vetting, it appears like its a crime for a public officer to own anything. I have seen many enterprising public officers who are making quite some money, from business etc not stealing from govt. It is a crime to own things bought with stollen money. They are just being asked to justify how they got the assets where the mathematics is not adding up.
BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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maka wrote:murchr wrote:madollar wrote:Coolio wrote:Kwani police are supposed to be poor???? No but also how can you explain a cop whose salary is 60k but he is worth 100 million Who lied to you that people get rich from a salary? True but atleast you should be able to account as to how you made the 100 million it just dint magically appear... 100M is pesa kidogo sana for a smart 45-55 year old. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:maka wrote:murchr wrote:madollar wrote:Coolio wrote:Kwani police are supposed to be poor???? No but also how can you explain a cop whose salary is 60k but he is worth 100 million Who lied to you that people get rich from a salary? True but atleast you should be able to account as to how you made the 100 million it just dint magically appear... 100M is pesa kidogo sana for a smart 45-55 year old. yes we know but your missing the point by a mile... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2011 Posts: 4,818 Location: -1.2107, 36.8831
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murchr wrote:maka wrote:murchr wrote:madollar wrote:Coolio wrote:Kwani police are supposed to be poor???? No but also how can you explain a cop whose salary is 60k but he is worth 100 million Who lied to you that people get rich from a salary? True but atleast you should be able to account as to how you made the 100 million it just dint magically appear... 100M is pesa kidogo sana for a smart 45-55 year old. Very true, as long as its not illegally acquired esp. misuse of their positions to seek for or/and receive bribes. Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 344
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Do they follow up on the explanations or does it end after the cop explains himself.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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dunkang wrote:murchr wrote:maka wrote:murchr wrote:madollar wrote:Coolio wrote:Kwani police are supposed to be poor???? No but also how can you explain a cop whose salary is 60k but he is worth 100 million Who lied to you that people get rich from a salary? True but atleast you should be able to account as to how you made the 100 million it just dint magically appear... 100M is pesa kidogo sana for a smart 45-55 year old. Very true, as long as its not illegally acquired esp. misuse of their positions to seek for or/and receive bribes. Ditto! "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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