The answer depends on where you are.

The winter solstice?

And whether you are in motion or not.

We live in a world of symbols, yet can a symbol have a singular meaning? Laws are interpreted, yet they are an advanced form of symbology.

Every thing is a symbol. You are a symbol. The world beyond the thing has no symbols. We may try to magnify our symbols but unless we be silent as Wittgenstein asked, then there'll be nothing to be said.

Interestingly, this 25 Dec. matter, in being associated with Christ, is associated with the deepest craving of Man that the sun should never set.

I remember this account of Saint Paul being knowledgeable on Mithraism courtesy of his Roman ways. And him being the philosopher of the time couldn't escape the light, of the sun, shining specifically on him.

For he saw the depths of Man, even though like a shattered glass, darkness. He could now speak to all humanity with boldness and authority.

Hence opened the gates to the association of Mithraic tradition with the Church fathers. For me I see the symbology of Easter being linked to the birth of Christ in a most interesting fashion. Coming out of the tomb is like being born of a rock. To conquer the bull of passion you must look and understand the mystery of the sun, ancient of days.

Though the seasons come and go, birth never ends. So life is eternal. Hence Christ, the Savior of the world is born and reborn.

It's the same thing as celebrating Christ. In every aspect.

Hello Tycho,

All may be fine and well until I disagree that Paul was more conversant with Judaism, most conversant with Judaism, being a pharisee and the son of a pharisee.

Why then shouldn't you revise your assertion to be in harmony with that characteristic?

Because when this light, of the sun, allegedly shone on him, he had no knowledge of Sun worship, and did not practice it or endorse it so as to be visited of it.

Hence 'endorsing' sun worship on the singular base of Paul, the Roman, the individual, is not consistent and therefore crumbles.

Let's wait for the person who knows the exact date. But you can deduce the period.

We are told that Mary conceived in the month of June. Luka 1:26 - Month of June, Angel Gabriel visited Mary, Will give birth to a child, baby boy:


So let us count together. The Bible says he was conceived in month of June and Mary went through normal pregnancy.
- 1st month of pregnancy Jul,
- 2nd month Aug,
- 3rd month Sep,
- 4th month Oct,
- 5th month Nov,
- 6th month Dec,
- 7th month Jan,
- 8th month Feb,
- 9th month Mar the following year.

So from this, we say that Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) WOULD NOT have been born on 25 Dec, but around Mar or Apr. Can you see the possibility that Jesus was actually born around Mar or Apr?

The Romans just put the date as 25th Dec, which was originally the celebration of pagan god, the sun-god.

December 25th or Christmas celebration came from the Roman Church, who inherited it from Roman pagans. But where did the pagans get it from?
The celebration of Christmas is a custom, practice or tradition inherited from ancient Babylon. The original Babylon (tower of Babel) was built Nimrod, who started the first great apostasy from which all false and fake religious systems originated.

Nimrod married his mother, Semiramis. After his death, the mother propagated an evil doctrine of reincarnation of Nimrod’s spirit. She claimed she conceived Tammuz, without a man, through the spirit of Nimrod. Incidentally, Tammuz was born on December 25th during the winter solstice. So, Semiramis son, Tammuz became a ‘god’ in the eyes of the people. The Christmas tree and the yule log used today, were first used to celebrate the birthday of Tammuz in ancient Babylon. December 25th was the last day of a week-long Babylonian feast, saturnalia, celebrated in honor of deity Saturn.

Through her scheming, Semiramis claimed that Nimrod sprang back to life in form of an evergreen tree. On each anniversary of his death, she claimed he would visit and leave gifts on it. This is the origin of the Christmas tree.

Later, Semiramis, became the queen of heaven and her son Tammuz, ‘the divine son of heaven’, a kind of a false Messiah, the son of Baal, the Sun-god. This is the origin of the idolatrous “Mother and Child” – Madonna worship which spread over the world. In Egypt ( Iris and Osiris/Horus);In Asia (Cybele and Deoius); In Rome (Fortuna and Jupiter); In Greece (Ceres and Plutus); Other manes applied to Semiramis; Diana, Madonna, Venus, Aphrodite, Artemis, Athena, Gaea, Hera, Demeter, Terra…

Therefore, Christmas is an ancient Babylonian holiday, which has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus Christ. If any Christian wanted to genuinely celebrate Jesus’s birthday (the exact date is unknown), they would do it sometime in the month of September!

The wide-spread worship of Mary by Roman Church, as ‘mother of God’ and the doctrine of immaculate conception is a continuation of ancient Babylonian idolatry founded by Semiramis, the mother-wife of Nimrod.

Thus, the ancient “Chaldean mysteries”, have been handed down through Roman Church, and from there into the Protestant denominations and to all of us today.

The Plain Truth About Christmas

Naturally, as you would expect, I am saddened by your refusal. Because earlier you had acknowledged he had other beliefs and religion notwithstanding his citizenship as shown in his ID card. Is that not valid and true?

Babylon, Tammuz, these are symbols and their meaning can only be determined now as we live. This is a motif in mythology remains constant.