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XCESS FUEL CONSUMPTION - DRIVE OR NEUTRAL
Burning Spear
#1 Posted : Tuesday, January 29, 2013 12:06:43 PM
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Dear Wazuans,

I know this is a debatable topic but I have noted over a long time that when I engage N while on traffic jam, the R/min rise as copared to when stopping while on D.

So when does the car consume alot, when on N or D.
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dnn
#2 Posted : Tuesday, January 29, 2013 1:41:54 PM
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well,some shift to N-mostly to step off the brakes in traffic...though an automatic vehicle should basically be on D...N is rare, probably when towed
Burning Spear
#3 Posted : Tuesday, January 29, 2013 2:06:14 PM
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dnn wrote:

well,some shift to N-mostly to step off the brakes in traffic...though an automatic vehicle should basically be on D...N is rare, probably when towed



Thanks for this. So,when on D, the car consumes less.
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XSK
#4 Posted : Tuesday, January 29, 2013 3:18:31 PM
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Burning Spear wrote:
dnn wrote:

well,some shift to N-mostly to step off the brakes in traffic...though an automatic vehicle should basically be on D...N is rare, probably when towed



Thanks for this. So,when on D, the car consumes less.


@BS

Think of it like this, when does a manual car consume more - with a gear engaged or free? The same case applies to automatics. When on position D (Drive) the gear is engaged. The engine is loaded, its only the brake or terrain that can stop the vehicle from moving. On the other hand when in N (neutral). The engine runs freely no load. Tell me when should it consume more?

Hint : when the revs are high (model dependant)when you car is idling, it means either there is a problem somewhere, its deliberately set at that point or the engine has not warmed to its optimum temp of operation.
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mukiha
#5 Posted : Wednesday, January 30, 2013 10:08:06 AM
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Burning Spear wrote:
Dear Wazuans,

I know this is a debatable topic but I have noted over a long time that when I engage N while on traffic jam, the R/min rise as copared to when stopping while on D.

So when does the car consume alot, when on N or D.


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tuvok
#6 Posted : Wednesday, January 30, 2013 12:48:08 PM
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In traffic I usually have it on N and engage the hand brake. To rest my foot. Fuel savings as @mukiha puts it is insignificant. Turn off the engine if stationary for long - that way you know you are saving fuel.

As for the RPM - possibly once a gear is engaged, there's a set RPM for that gear and thus could be a lower RPM than when idle. When idle for a petrol engine, typically should be an avg of 800 rpm. Less on a diesel I think (don't own one).
Tebes
#7 Posted : Wednesday, January 30, 2013 3:21:23 PM
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tuvok wrote:
In traffic I usually have it on N and engage the hand brake. To rest my foot. Fuel savings as @mukiha puts it is insignificant. Turn off the engine if stationary for long - that way you know you are saving fuel.

As for the RPM - possibly once a gear is engaged, there's a set RPM for that gear and thus could be a lower RPM than when idle. When idle for a petrol engine, typically should be an avg of 800 rpm. Less on a diesel I think (don't own one).


You will actually use more fuel if the rev meter goes up when you engage Neutral. Most car manuals will not advice you engage Neutral while driving.
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, January 30, 2013 3:42:53 PM
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Burning Spear wrote:
Dear Wazuans,

I know this is a debatable topic but I have noted over a long time that when I engage N while on traffic jam, the R/min rise as copared to when stopping while on D.

So when does the car consume alot, when on N or D.


XSK wrote:
........

Hint : when the revs are high (model dependant)when you car is idling, it means either there is a problem somewhere, its deliberately set at that point or the engine has not warmed to its optimum temp of operation.




It is definitely debatable... but the saving is insignificant. What I would find even more debatable, is whether its a good thing or not.

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But look for 'knowledgable' contributors to these debates.

As for you RPM rising it happens in some cars.There may be nothing wrong with your car. Many mercs will show the rpm dial rising slightly when you go into go into neutral compared to when in D and foot on brake.... nothing wrong with the car.
tuvok
#9 Posted : Wednesday, January 30, 2013 3:49:47 PM
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Another possible reason for having it on N while in stationary traffic is in case
a) someone tail-ends you ...

b) something makes you lose attention and you unconsciously lift your foot off the brake pedal... (like this time on Uhuru Highway when a phone got snatched) and in the resulting melee, the guy lifted his foot off the brake and gave the car in front a gentle nudge.
Kausha
#10 Posted : Wednesday, January 30, 2013 4:00:00 PM
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If at N it's revving higher it means your fuel injection or cooling system setting is very high and is wasting fuel. Also check whether you have enough engine oil and engine coolant and that your A/C controls work. When a car is idling it should burn the least because it only needs enough power to continue running the engine and a few components working as opposed to power to keep the engine running and transmission. Check your coolant and that you have enough oil, if no solution check the system settings at a qualified mech workshop!
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