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The YW Monologues
YesuWangu
#1 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 9:27:55 AM
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If it pleases the admin (primarily), YW will implement this thread where he / she will give his / her thoughts on various issues he /she comes across.

Whereas the entire membership can contribute, the thread, for as long as it goes, will be more like a monologue.

YW hopes QW will not be invoked and the thread shut down or YW usered or worse banned like QW.

Robinhood
#2 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 11:43:50 AM
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YW, leta ya kwanza, then we can tell you if it a good idea
Great men are not always wise, neither do the aged understand judgement...
tycho
#3 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 12:44:42 PM
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YesuWangu wrote:
If it pleases the admin (primarily), YW will implement this thread where he / she will give his / her thoughts on various issues he /she comes across.

Whereas the entire membership can contribute, the thread, for as long as it goes, will be more like a monologue.

YW hopes QW will not be invoked and the thread shut down or YW usered or worse banned like QW.



Good move! There was a time I wished you'd start something like this. You must have heard my thoughts!
YesuWangu
#4 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 1:44:32 PM
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Last week, YW was a participant in the 9th annual ethics conference in Strathmore University. A most informative conference. Kayamba for Strathmore University. For lack of time, questions were very limited to 1 or 2 after each presentation.

8 Strathmore students presented research papers on Contraception, Abortion and Population Control respectively.

Unfortunately, I could not ask them if hypothetically there are 1 million young people who have reached the age of marrying and bearing offspring but 100,000 choose celibacy. Is it then fair or ethical for the 100,000 to abscond population growth duties and shift this responsibility to the 900,000?

I will never know their thoughts about it.

Mukiri
#5 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 1:58:33 PM
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YesuWangu wrote:
Last week, YW was a participant in the 9th annual ethics conference in Strathmore University. A most informative conference. Kayamba for Strathmore University. For lack of time, questions were very limited to 1 or 2 after each presentation.

8 Strathmore students presented research papers on Contraception, Abortion and Population Control respectively.

Unfortunately, I could not ask them if hypothetically there are 1 million young people who have reached the age of marrying and bearing offspring but 100,000 choose celibacy. Is it then fair or ethical for the 100,000 to abscond population growth duties and shift this responsibility to the 900,000?

I will never know their thoughts about it.



Boss, don't you know it's now getting overcrowded? Kenya itself is limiting births to 2 a couple. Resources are depleting fast: Just the other day Kiambu coffee was cleared for high cost housing, Kitengela growth et al are choking Nairobi Park, do I even have to mention Mau?

And on the flipside, are all these condoms bio degradable? re recyclable? By protecting ourselves and avoiding unwanted pregnancies, are we slowly choking our same selves? Do I need to even need to mention pills and cancer?

Do you feel the talk was all encompassing, seeing as it is you didn't mention health and long livity?

Proverbs 19:21
Kaka M
#6 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 2:11:09 PM
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tycho wrote:
YesuWangu wrote:
If it pleases the admin (primarily), YW will implement this thread where he / she will give his / her thoughts on various issues he /she comes across.

Whereas the entire membership can contribute, the thread, for as long as it goes, will be more like a monologue.

YW hopes QW will not be invoked and the thread shut down or YW usered or worse banned like QW.



Good move! There was a time I wished you'd start something like this. You must have heard my thoughts!


@ Tycho Your thoughts were audible? (Pun intended.)
@ YW if u ask if it's fair to ABSCOND POPULATION DUTIES, are you implying that there is a target population that is supposed to be achieved and everybody has a duty to take part?
In my opinion, if one chooses to be celibate for noble reasons such Choosing to increase the quality of Population rather than quantity the it's perfectly in order. If it were to be unfair, whom would the unfairness be directed at?
YesuWangu
#7 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 2:41:30 PM
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@ Mukiri, YW thought so too. But the students made very scholarly and reasoned and supported arguments that the use of contraceptives was not ethical.

I think the condom point is conducive for their argument.

@kaka M, something like that. The students insisted that population is the greatest resource a country has.

YW did not observe a distinction being made between quality and quantity of population. Anyway, they concluded that population control was unethical.

Whereas YW can dispute the students research findings, that is not the aim of YW musings. The students invited further research about these issues anyway.

YW loved their approach, though did not necessarily agree with their conclusions.

Kayamba for the students for the effort.

@Tycho, your thoughts are pervasive, evidently.

@Robinhood, so far is it a good idea?
digitek1
#8 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 3:27:16 PM
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whats this business of referring to your self in third person? are you miguna
I may be wrong..but then I could be right
digitek1
#9 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 3:31:17 PM
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But i am in total agreement with the students..pop is our greatest asset. Kwanza with aids ,cancer road accidents decimating our numbers. It should be the moral duty of all women in kenya two get at least 3 offspring. Kenya is largely unhabited north of the railway
I may be wrong..but then I could be right
YesuWangu
#10 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 4:16:37 PM
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So, once upon a time in the distant past YW subscribed to a Dr. David Duke to get his periodic views and updates on zionism. Today, YW is surprised to get an email from Dr. Duke about the up coming US elections.

Whereas YW does not agree with Dr. Dukes past as a senior Ku Klux Klan man, his present is far more agreeable.

Watching what the jews are doing to Palestinians in the name of God is heart wrenching. Before you say the Palestinians shoot rockets into Israel, knowing the sentiment the Jews have for christians will pause the thought and render that thought unspoken.

Back to the US elections, according to Dr. Duke and as viewed by YW, Obama vs Romney, its as good as pinky-pinky-ponky ..... lets-choose-a-president!
mkeiyd
#11 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 4:51:24 PM
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digitek1 wrote:
But i am in total agreement with the students..pop is our greatest asset. Kwanza with aids ,cancer road accidents decimating our numbers. It should be the moral duty of all women in kenya two get at least 3 offspring. Kenya is largely unhabited north of the railway


@digitek, Our current population is our greatest DEBT.
For population to be an asset it has be productive,must be engaged in activities that promote production and consumption.
What we have in Kenya is a situation where "tunaomba serikali" has become the norm.
What 10 Kenyans produce per capita is produced elsewhere by 1 person. What 10 Kenyans consume per capita, is consumed by 1 person, and that is if we compare ourselves to some third world countries.
What matters in a population is the quality, not the quantity.
There should be a cap of 2 kids per couple,for more you show us the money.
Mukiri
#12 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 6:17:04 PM
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mkeiyd wrote:
digitek1 wrote:
But i am in total agreement with the students..pop is our greatest asset. Kwanza with aids ,cancer road accidents decimating our numbers. It should be the moral duty of all women in kenya two get at least 3 offspring. Kenya is largely unhabited north of the railway


@digitek, Our current population is our greatest DEBT.
For population to be an asset it has be productive,must be engaged in activities that promote production and consumption.
What we have in Kenya is a situation where "tunaomba serikali" has become the norm.
What 10 Kenyans produce per capita is produced elsewhere by 1 person. What 10 Kenyans consume per capita, is consumed by 1 person, and that is if we compare ourselves to some third world countries.
What matters in a population is the quality, not the quantity.
There should be a cap of 2 kids per couple,for more you show us the money.


Applause Kayambaaa

Longlivity is the way to go. How to have longer lifespans, quality life and controlled birth rates. We are not rats who reproduce rapidly and die at the same rate!

@YW.. Show me your friends and I will show you who you are. Hanging out with that quack, finger pointing at Jews makes me wonder, how often you get intouch with Yesu wako?

Proverbs 19:21
harrydre
#13 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 6:25:56 PM
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mkeiyd wrote:
digitek1 wrote:
But i am in total agreement with the students..pop is our greatest asset. Kwanza with aids ,cancer road accidents decimating our numbers. It should be the moral duty of all women in kenya two get at least 3 offspring. Kenya is largely unhabited north of the railway


@digitek, Our current population is our greatest DEBT.
For population to be an asset it has be productive,must be engaged in activities that promote production and consumption.
What we have in Kenya is a situation where "tunaomba serikali" has become the norm.
What 10 Kenyans produce per capita is produced elsewhere by 1 person. What 10 Kenyans consume per capita, is consumed by 1 person, and that is if we compare ourselves to some third world countries.
What matters in a population is the quality, not the quantity.
There should be a cap of 2 kids per couple,for more you show us the money.


You have nailed it perfectly. I have always stated we are too many mouths competing for scarce resources. It's time population growth was cut and fines imposed on those bearing more than 2 kids.
i.am.back!!!!
tycho
#14 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2012 6:51:50 PM
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YesuWangu wrote:
Last week, YW was a participant in the 9th annual ethics conference in Strathmore University. A most informative conference. Kayamba for Strathmore University. For lack of time, questions were very limited to 1 or 2 after each presentation.

8 Strathmore students presented research papers on Contraception, Abortion and Population Control respectively.

Unfortunately, I could not ask them if hypothetically there are 1 million young people who have reached the age of marrying and bearing offspring but 100,000 choose celibacy. Is it then fair or ethical for the 100,000 to abscond population growth duties and shift this responsibility to the 900,000?

I will never know their thoughts about it.



Fairness lies on the chooser's tongue.

But each choice carries privileges and responsibilities.

The question on fairness is also the ethical question. And if this is so, then Goodness is 'pro choice'.

But the motives behind choice may be unethical. For example, 'I will not reproduce because I am poor' is unethical because it is a negation of the Man God who can do all things.
YesuWangu
#15 Posted : Tuesday, October 30, 2012 10:27:15 AM
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@Mukiri, I even discuss with new agers, atheists and muslims. I was a new-ager before I quit. Pardon me for my former associates.

I had/have correspondence with them as I weed out. They are the crowd I 'hang' out with.

What does that make me?

The issue of zionism (not to be confused with Jews) was also partly discussed here should a christian pray for israel

Sometimes I put my nose on the ground as it were and follow the premises and then the conclusions lands me in a crowd whose overall philosophy I may not necessarily agree with then I am left with egg on my face.

@ Tycho, there was a topic I started way back on population growth. You can read it Overpopulation - the fallacyI did the usual background reading then started it.

This is the conundrum of ethics.

It is time to decide if there is an absolute truth. Or is truth relative.

YesuWangu
#16 Posted : Tuesday, October 30, 2012 10:52:33 AM
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It is now about 3 months since YW stopped watching television.

Has his / her life improved? Has not watching the telly played a role in making his / her life happy, the end of all human pursuits?

It seems to be retrogressive, with peers, friends and relatives acquiring better and bigger televisions. It seems to invite stares and whispers and not happiness.

But then again, does YW have to do something only because it will make him / her happy?

There are books to be read, information to be internalized ..... there is so much to do and not enough time!
tycho
#17 Posted : Tuesday, October 30, 2012 6:43:28 PM
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@YW, when you consider truth as being then it is absolute. But when it is a set of postulates it is relative.

But if truth is absolute in being, there must be a 'converter' that brings the absolute from the relative. This 'converter' can only be identity.

Once we become aware of our identity, that is our oneness, we cannot lack anything.

'Socialism' or even 'communism' still bear the burden of alienation. But when there is no alienation, what do we have? Identity.

YesuWangu
#18 Posted : Wednesday, October 31, 2012 9:20:35 AM
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@Tycho, how can truth be absolute and at the same time relative?

If it is relative, it is not truth but a modification of truth. I am not referring to modifications of truth, but to truth.

Ideally, we modify our identity to conform to the truth, we do not modify the truth to conform to our identity. Thats what you are doing. If the truth says humans will die, then humans will die. There is no other way about it because it is absolute.

Without further ado, what is truth? Pontius also asked this question though he did not wait for an answer.
YesuWangu
#19 Posted : Wednesday, October 31, 2012 9:30:55 AM
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Today is October 31.

October 31, 1517 marked a momentous day in world history.

Martin Luther nailed his 95 theses to the door of a Wittenberg church, starting the Protestant Reformation.



tycho
#20 Posted : Wednesday, October 31, 2012 3:15:56 PM
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YesuWangu wrote:
@Tycho, how can truth be absolute and at the same time relative?

If it is relative, it is not truth but a modification of truth. I am not referring to modifications of truth, but to truth.

Ideally, we modify our identity to conform to the truth, we do not modify the truth to conform to our identity. Thats what you are doing. If the truth says humans will die, then humans will die. There is no other way about it because it is absolute.

Without further ado, what is truth? Pontius also asked this question though he did not wait for an answer.


Today in the morning I found time to take a look at 'my life'. It was a very brief affair. But then it seemed like eternity.

My meditation was specific; it was about my regressions. And I could hear a voice saying, 'The problem is you have always taken yourself as the center'.

And indeed, I could see that all 'my life' has been centered on 'me'.

'Then I should have no center!' I said.

It was brief experience, but I am still looking at it. And now I have just realized that since I am a chooser I must have a center.

'Christ is the center!' I heard Bonhoeffer say.

The Man God is the center! For where is Christ? In my 'heart'? In my mind? And who am I? As long as there's a 'me' and a 'Christ' there are two centers. But can we have two or multiple centers?

There must only be identity.

What is truth? It is a spoken word. And can there be perfect communication? 'Only when there's a perfect conversation'. I'd say.

For conversation implies multiplicity. It also implies shaping perception through collective activity. That is, restructuring relativity. For example, God sending the children of Israel to captivity due to their rebellion, and at the same time raising a prophet among them.

The prophet is stimulating a conversation between the individual sinner and his maker.

Picture the blind man that was healed by Jesus. What can you see? People like trees. And then, What can you see? I can see! I can see!

Would you say, 'how can people look like trees? Are you sure you have gained your sight ama zako zime touch!'
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