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Can current non shareholder in Stanchart participate in the rights issue? If so is this viable?
anika66
#1 Posted : Tuesday, October 02, 2012 5:52:43 PM
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I am not a current share holder of stanchart. I wonder if it makes economic sense for me to buy some 'rights' and become a shareholder during this time. If so what is the procedure and does it make economic sense?
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young
#2 Posted : Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:28:57 PM
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anika66 wrote:
I am not a current share holder of stanchart. I wonder if it makes economic sense for me to buy some 'rights' and become a shareholder during this time. If so what is the procedure and does it make economic sense?



Your chances are slim from what are I know because for unsubcribed rights, priority is ussually given to existing shareholders.
I did not take up my KCB rights last time and as it is I have 1,230 units of Stanchart, I do not intend to take up the rights.

This is because I have reache my quota in NSE banking sector as I cannot risk it to be more than 20% of my portfolio no matter how rosy banking sector looks now.

I am one of those that expect a burst in the banking sector within the next 2 years when the
incoming regime CBK sanitize to ensure they truly declare their toxic assets and non performing loans. Their current profile a couple of years now is not sustainable for sure


The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
guru267
#3 Posted : Tuesday, October 02, 2012 8:05:14 PM
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young wrote:
I am one of those that expect a burst in the banking sector within the next 2 years when the
incoming regime CBK sanitize to ensure they truly declare their toxic assets and non performing loans. Their current profile a couple of years now is not sustainable for sure


@young you need to be on the ground & witness for yourself how quickly loans are being repaid in Kenya! instead of raising rates on existing customers the banks rescheduled the terms to prevent default!

Plus NPL ratio are within CBK guidelines so what is the problem??.. Just because it happened in Nigeria does not mean it will happen here!
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young
#4 Posted : Wednesday, October 03, 2012 12:30:39 AM
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@Guru of Kenya stocks
You know I will be happy as a beneficiary if Kenya banks continue with their hey wire copycat unsustainable returns among big banks with their
prohibitive interest rates.

My opinion is not from Nigerian perspective but from global trend in financial market with
African markets as a ready example.
At least I invest in a few banks in Botswana, Ghana, RSA.

All except Kenya has undergone reforms. Reforms entail Central Bank hiring independent advisor to re-examine their books,
Setting new bench marks like raising the bar in the capital base to make the banks stronger and more liquid.

I hope you are aware in Africa Kenya banks as big as they are to us are not among the top 10 in in terms of capital base ?

Kenyan banks deserve to have a place in the top 10 ranking.
If CBK raises the bar on the advise of investment advisors, banks will retain more cash in their reserve, this will affect their performace, this
is part of the reform or correction I am talking about, it ussually leads to diminished performance but makes the bank stronger. I have seen it happen in Ghana, Botswana
etc , this is the reality and the right way to go. It requires wherewithal of the regulatory agencies. It is like taking the bull by the horn.

. GCB (Ghana Commercial Bank), the Kenyan roar equivalent had its dividend reduced by half and
the price tumbled by 40 percent because of this rejuvination.


The NPL aspect , do not defend the banks so religiously. They have been consistently cooking the books, the assurance you have is that they have been paying improved dividend. This is temporary..
The familiar back door method Kenya banks are doing to cover their nakedness is to do rights issue every other year. It is an old fashioned trick that is not sustenable. They Raise cash from
investors every other year and pay back as improved dividend. It is a round robin approach
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The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
guru267
#5 Posted : Wednesday, October 03, 2012 1:46:02 AM
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young wrote:
the capital base to make the banks stronger and The NPL aspect , do not defend the banks so religiously. They have been consistently cooking the books, the assurance you have is that they have been paying improved dividend. This is temporary..


@young lets use KCB of Kenya as an example! Where does the problem lie??

Market cap = 80billion Kes
CASH BALANCE as at 30.06.2012 = 40billion Kes (50% of market cap)
2011 dividend = 5.5billion Kes (50% of PAT)
last rights issue 2010 = 12.5billion Kes

i doubt your examples like GCB could ever dream of cash & capital ratios like these above! I have tried to see cause for worry in the figures but i can't seem to..

the next rights issue for KCB is to come in 2014/2015 according to MOO which is very normal for an expanding bank!!

Maybe the reason Kenyan banks haven't needed reform is because the framework in Kenya is already ideal..

Our banks are TOO well capitalized and that is why we have many rights issues, to stay well capitalized!!
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
murchr
#6 Posted : Thursday, October 04, 2012 2:13:54 AM
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guru267 wrote:
young wrote:
the capital base to make the banks stronger and The NPL aspect , do not defend the banks so religiously. They have been consistently cooking the books, the assurance you have is that they have been paying improved dividend. This is temporary..


@young lets use KCB of Kenya as an example! Where does the problem lie??

Market cap = 80billion Kes
CASH BALANCE as at 30.06.2012 = 40billion Kes (50% of market cap)
2011 dividend = 5.5billion Kes (50% of PAT)
last rights issue 2010 = 12.5billion Kes

i doubt your examples like GCB could ever dream of cash & capital ratios like these above! I have tried to see cause for worry in the figures but i can't seem to..

the next rights issue for KCB is to come in 2014/2015 according to MOO which is very normal for an expanding bank!!

Maybe the reason Kenyan banks haven't needed reform is because the framework in Kenya is already ideal..

Our banks are TOO well capitalized and that is why we have many rights issues, to stay well capitalized!!


Reforms were undertaken when the likes of Trust Bank, Daima etc. and the likes collapsed. Since then, there have never been any other banking incident.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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sparkly
#7 Posted : Thursday, October 04, 2012 7:36:28 AM
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young wrote:


The familiar back door method Kenya banks are doing to cover their nakedness is to do rights issue every other year. It is an old fashioned trick that is not sustenable. They Raise cash from
investors every other year and pay back as improved dividend. It is a round robin approach
.


Valid concern. The same year KCB raised 12.5B they also increased their dividend. I questioned this on wazua but hey, the bank's are making money. Nobody cares
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young
#8 Posted : Thursday, October 04, 2012 10:45:03 AM
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sparkly wrote:


Valid concern. The same year KCB raised 12.5B they also increased their dividend. I questioned this on wazua but hey, the bank's are making money. Nobody cares

The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
VituVingiSana
#9 Posted : Thursday, October 04, 2012 1:45:41 PM
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It's only 1:13 (with SCBK confirming it will participate furi furi for its 74% stake) so very few shares will be on offer. I do not see why the rising blood pressure.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
guru267
#10 Posted : Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:49:40 PM
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sparkly wrote:

Valid concern. The same year KCB raised 12.5B they also increased their dividend. I questioned this on wazua but hey, the bank's are making money. Nobody cares


@sparkly the 12.5B was raised to boost core capital ratios without touching internal funds!

What i don't get is why a company growing profits at 40%+ p.a and sitting on 40billion CASH wouldn't increase its dividends..

You and @young seemed to have closed your minds to the fact that the balance sheet of these banks showed they needed more capital to allow growth in lending and expansion.. It was there in black & white!

The total dividend to be paid by KCB since the rights issue will reach 17billion in 2012 with the next rights issue in 2014/2015..
The asset size has grown from 270billion since the rights issue to 400billion in 2012..
PBT has grown from 7B since the rights issue to 20B in 2012!

What more could i have asked for!?
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
mwekez@ji
#11 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2012 11:49:11 AM
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Can current non shareholder in Stanchart participate in the rights issue?
Yes, by buying the rights from the market. currently trading at a premium of KES 65 meaning total purchase price will be KES 210 (65+145)

If so is this viable?
This counter is a HOLD. Not a BUY
erifloss
#12 Posted : Tuesday, October 16, 2012 11:36:30 AM
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@young has a valid point. We rely so much on the financial statements that are in most times cooked, @guru, i can tell you for a fact that a few of the 'big banks' hide/understate provisions. Our regulatory framework is yet to be on point, CBK relies heavily on banks' internal audits which at the highest level are normally played around with.
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