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jaggernaut
#1 Posted : Saturday, August 18, 2012 3:03:58 PM
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Seems the worst mistake one can make is to invest in S. Sudan. Didn't know things were this bad for Kenyan investors in SS. According to a statement presented in Parliament by Foreign minister Sam Ongeri, 24 Kenyans have been killed in South Sudan since 2008.


Kenyans face hostility in South Sudan





Gathige
#2 Posted : Saturday, August 18, 2012 3:14:44 PM
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@jaggernaut,

The Standard story is a bit exaggerated. I have lived and worked here for the past six years and the perception i have is a bit different.
"Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
tinker
#3 Posted : Saturday, August 18, 2012 3:36:00 PM
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@jaggernaut

Thanks for raising this issue in this forum. I am 3 months old in SS and such reports as one by nation is worrying most of kenyans living in ss including me.

I can confirm that almost every adult man in SS. is a uniformed officer - and needless to say, very few are well trained to match International std. Corruption is live here and whenever they see a kenyan they see a chance to extort (Bcuz most kenyans here are humble (read -softie)and thay have money since they are Medical specialists/Engineers/technicians and business men.)

@Gathige

Pliz share your perception.
....He who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion..
jamplu
#4 Posted : Saturday, August 18, 2012 7:15:41 PM
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there have been so many cases of kenyans doing work then end up not being paid. a friend was stranded there for a while.
Ali Baba
#5 Posted : Saturday, August 18, 2012 7:46:47 PM
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Gathige:I was in SS last year and I did not like the place.I'm not investing my hard earned money there.The Nation report is not blown out of proportion.I think your argument stems from the assumption that bad things happen to other people~~until it happens close to home~~~~~
Gathige
#6 Posted : Saturday, August 18, 2012 9:41:28 PM
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@tinker,

My perception of this place is a lawless jungle where the expectation for order is purely an alien. One has to understand the environment and make the best out of it. In my assessment, there are several categories of people in this place I) expatriates sent here by big corporates( Kcb,Equity,uap, etc) and INGOS working here. This category is on purely work basis and mostly catered for in terms of housing and security by their employers. 2) Business people. They range from hospitality, service etc. The law here is an ass and anything that can go wrong puts people in problems. Any trade disputes are normally resolved by brute force and mostly the locals have an upper hand. Worst is it is a requirement to have a local partner to register a company. Your guess is as good as mine just in case a dispute involves a local and a foreigner. 3) Hustlers. This are the common people either is small biasharas and services like taxi drivers, kinyozi,MJengo etc. life for them is hard but returns are normally 3 times better than Kenya.

Returns here are good but the mistake people make is to reinvest here. In post conflict states like sudan best strategy is to repatriate profits and invest elsewhere . Alternatively spread the risk by investing as a group rather than as individuals. This is what most Ethiopians and their cousins the Eritrians do hence they own almost 80% of hotels as groups

@ Ali Baba.

Welcome back to SS. We say here once you taste the Nile waters you wil always come back.

Finally keep away from local girls. Disputes over women can be fatal.
"Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
Apple Bees
#7 Posted : Saturday, August 18, 2012 10:03:23 PM
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this is the report from Standard: http://standardmedia.co....2000064303&pageNo=3

Having lived here for over 2 years, I can identify with each of these stories. They are real...
But as @Gathige says, do not reinvest here.

Those working for the corporates/INGOs/UN now have problems processing work permits. If you are a Kenyan, you have a very LOW change of getting that document. Only last week, the South Sudanese working for various UN agencies held demonstrations and demanded, among other things, to have staff who are E.Africans replaced by nationals (of course they had other issues like being paid in USD).

It is a tough life out there....esp if you arrived on your own
tinker
#8 Posted : Saturday, August 18, 2012 11:25:28 PM
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Gathige wrote:
@tinker,

My perception of this place is a lawless jungle where the expectation for order is purely an alien. One has to understand the environment and make the best out of it. In my assessment, there are several categories of people in this place I) expatriates sent here by big corporates( Kcb,Equity,uap, etc) and INGOS working here. This category is on purely work basis and mostly catered for in terms of housing and security by their employers. 2) Business people. They range from hospitality, service etc. The law here is an ass and anything that can go wrong puts people in problems. Any trade disputes are normally resolved by brute force and mostly the locals have an upper hand. Worst is it is a requirement to have a local partner to register a company. Your guess is as good as mine just in case a dispute involves a local and a foreigner. 3) Hustlers. This are the common people either is small biasharas and services like taxi drivers, kinyozi,MJengo etc. life for them is hard but returns are normally 3 times better than Kenya.

Returns here are good but the mistake people make is to reinvest here. In post conflict states like sudan best strategy is to repatriate profits and invest elsewhere . Alternatively spread the risk by investing as a group rather than as individuals. This is what most Ethiopians and their cousins the Eritrians do hence they own almost 80% of hotels as groups

@ Ali Baba.

Welcome back to SS. We say here once you taste the Nile waters you wil always come back.

Finally keep away from local girls. Disputes over women can be fatal.


@Gathige..
I totally agree with you especially your closing remarks.
....He who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion..
Mukiri
#9 Posted : Sunday, August 19, 2012 12:23:37 AM
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I've lived and worked in South Sudan and ditto everything @Gathige says.

Quality of life is low and if you have to go, make your paper while planing your exit. Those nilotes have hate amongst themselves, sembuse wewe?

Proverbs 19:21
Ali Baba
#10 Posted : Sunday, August 19, 2012 2:08:50 AM
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GATHIGE:>>I have tasted the Nile waters,but I'm not coming back.I have several other civilized nations which are ready to become home to my capital.Putting your eggs in wild,wild west is not the way to go.The first day I arrived there(SS),I almost ran into trouble after a shoot-out occurred near where we had sat eating dinner~~~those uncivilized police officers arrived with such bravado and demanded that we produce the guns.Come on,I had just arrived and here I was in hot soup~~~~No,SS,not for me.
Gathige
#11 Posted : Sunday, August 19, 2012 8:57:16 AM
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@Ali Baba, Sorry for that first day nasty encounter. It seems you did not have what we call here " pre-arrival security briefing".You may have been in the wrong place at the wrong time. In them locals here, anything can happen any time so it is best to keep off.

As @Mukiri says, quality of life is very low. Always have an exit plan and never plan to be here long term. The situation can only get worse rather than better. With an influx of returnees, high rates of unemployment, inflation rates very high, it is only likely that xenophobia will rise.

@Apple Bees says, avoid coming here on your own. Life can be tough if you arrive without some support either from employer or someone to host you. Let no one cheat that there is easy money here. Those days are long gone.

For those with guts, the returns are good to be honest. However always avoid dealing with locals. Target the corporates, INGOs and UN who have money to spend.
"Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
tinker
#12 Posted : Sunday, August 19, 2012 2:31:56 PM
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jaggernaut wrote:
Seems the worst mistake one can make is to invest in S. Sudan. Didn't know things were this bad for Kenyan investors in SS. According to a statement presented in Parliament by Foreign minister Sam Ongeri, 24 Kenyans have been killed in South Sudan since 2008.


Kenyans face hostility in South Sudan



A modest house (3 bed roomed )goes for 10,000 USD per month and one have to pay atleast 6 months in advance.
A decent meal in middle class joint (Spice n Herbs) goes for 32 SSP..approx 9USD
two Oranges in the market sells @ 1USD in SS Marikiti (Konyokonyo) ....Just to throw one more spanner into the work.
....He who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion..
Ali Baba
#13 Posted : Sunday, August 19, 2012 5:58:48 PM
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TINKER:>>You don't go to eat in such expensive joints in Konyo Konyo.Go to customs,then seek Alba lodging run by Wa Kim---and they will show you where to eat on the cheap~~~~like 2 SSP for a plate of chapati,beans or githeri---this place is near customs.But go early for dinner....I went around 7pm and its so full with Kenyans,mpaka its hard to make an order.And there will be no seats...
dunkang
#14 Posted : Monday, August 20, 2012 10:25:57 AM
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i worked in juba, rumbek and yambio towns for 9 months, and i must confess that kenyan hustlers in the diaspora live like dogs regardless of wherever they are (us, asia, europe, etc).

but kenyans are always kenyans, they never listen nor learn.

otherwise, the most civilised people in ss are found in yambio, western equitoria state, since they dont feel, look, speak and agree with those lawless murderous nilotes. I have much respect for the Bazande (bantus, btw) who are browner than even taitas of kenya.

they have hosted and treated congolese and bagandas like brother. life in yambio is so free that there is a kenyan (kikuyu) mechanic there who is married to their girl. in yambio, u can walk at 10pm on the road drunk and don't care abt been harassed since u r a foreigner (they will not even notice unless u r dark and tall).
Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi

Ric dees
#15 Posted : Monday, August 20, 2012 12:12:52 PM
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After Uni i took a sabatical for two years to travel so i went to Kenya and eventually found myself in UG courtesy of my former room-mate. We embarked on a timber selling business from Kampala to Juba (by road) what started as a small-time business ended up growing and employing 6 other guys and i relocated to Rumbek for 4 months (staying at the UN camp) courtesy of some engineer pals of mine from Wilson airport. We made cash lots of it, disagreements came about, UG tightened it's laws on timber selling.

However then i still got the feeling this was a lawless jungle (not as bad as it's portrayed now) there were very few kenyan "hustlers" most were UN accredited personel. However i rem the superlicious Eritrean chicks with $100 price tags to "marry" them and these was the weekend highlights esp if new pilots had come to camp with some hard liquer from Kenya. Maybe we were lucky but just like anything pays to be ahead of the curve!!

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dunkang
#16 Posted : Wednesday, September 05, 2012 1:15:02 AM
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another kenyan killed in a s.s. jail by ss police. the man had been accused of damaging a camera worth 480,000/-.

ntv late night news of 4 sept. 2012 and youtube.
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iKenya
#17 Posted : Wednesday, September 05, 2012 2:44:13 AM
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Whats the ratio of deaths vis a vis the total number of Kenyans and also the total number of similar deaths for the whole population? My guess is that this will be almost similar to the abnormal normalities that we see in SS. Where every solider with a gun drinks..what do you expect?
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alikujia
#18 Posted : Wednesday, September 05, 2012 6:56:14 PM
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iKenya wrote:
Whats the ratio of deaths vis a vis the total number of Kenyans and also the total number of similar deaths for the whole population? My guess is that this will be almost similar to the abnormal normalities that we see in SS. Where every solider with a gun drinks..what do you expect?

sure, media could give us a more total picture. otherwise they could be making aspiring/possible investors grow very heavy cold feet when, perhaps the locals do not fair any better.
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