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Rank: Member Joined: 4/2/2011 Posts: 629 Location: Nai
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I have a theory!
If an article appearing in the Star Newspaper on 26 September 2011 is to be believed, the Thika Super Highway will cost at least Sh 27 billion. Price variations are expected considering that the exchange rate to the USD was 70 when the project started.
There is no doubt that funding of the project contributed to the deterioration of the Kes as well as inflation.
When the Thika Road was selected for expansion, there was intense debate about whether Mombasa Highway did not deserve that honour. The arguments varied from the number of commuters that use Thika Road to regional interest by Kibaki's inner circle. There is no doubt that for example, Thika Super Highway has increased the value of the Kenyatta family land around Juja by at least 10 times.
However, that is not the thrust of my theory. In fact I believe that the Government selected Thika Road in order to open up the Northern Corridor and with an eye on oil exports through Lamu. Tourism and tapping Ethiopias 80 million strong market also comes to mind. Every other benefit derived by the neighbouring communities is a by product.
I have been informed by regular road users that when it rains, sections of the highway are converted into an attraction either in form of a river or a waterfall depending on where you are looking at the road from.
My theory is that Thika Superhighway is Kenya's biggest river/water harvesting resource at the moment and that drainage planned for the highway is inadequate. One would have hoped for pipes underneath the highway for harvesting the water but alas, our engineers did not disappoint. If this water remains unattended, sections of the road will require repair in less than 3 years time. Accidents black spots will emerge and the risk of flooding out some home owners can not be ruled out.
Considering that the road will eventually be concessioned with commuters expected to pay to use it, why would the government not want to benefit more from this road? I have in mind canals, merging into a major canal/river and onto a huge dam. The water so harvested would serve Nairobi, Thika and possibly Athi River. The old quarries south of Juja come to mind as a location for the dam. Again, irrigation would be achieved for families living along the canals. The overflow from the dam could be channelled to cliffy sections of Athi River where arguably, Kengen could install turbines to tap electricity. My pesa nane...but again, I could be wrong!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/3/2010 Posts: 1,797 Location: Kenya
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fyi the Chinese are doing the drainage and installing pipes on the fly overs so flooding won't be for long. also these rains were particularly heavy and if meteorology are to be believed they are an exception rather than the norm but you have a point I may be wrong..but then I could be right
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/8/2007 Posts: 808
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@accelrisk..you make very interesting inferences particularly the escalation in value of the Kenyatta family land, notwithstanding the conspiracy theory(s) there in.
The cost of the project will definitely exceed 30B because of variations of costs, materials and works. The weak shillingi last year, fuel price increase, tar price increase, rise in steel costs etc.
I have always wondered why Mombasa and outer-ring raods were overlooked and to my mind have similar if not worse traffic congestion as Thika road. Mind you, Outer-ring road and Mombasa road serve more densely populated areas and have more people on teh road (not cars) than Thika road and so if one talks of lost man hours the jam on outer-ring road is even worse. However I believe some sections of Thika road warranted expansion - basically current works up to Githurai. After that, the road should have remained at 3 lanes either side up to Juja and after Juja 2 lanes. All flyovers/ interchanges through to Thika were warranted. The extra funds from the largese from Githurai to Thika should have been channeled to Mombasa road - Nyayo stadium to University way junction and outer-ring road. Otherwise as it stands, I find most of the project after Githurai extravagant and sub optimal use of scarce funds.
I also worry about the economic multiplier effect of this project. I posit that on per shilling basis the multiplier effect must be very low. It's one thing to put up infrastructure - the real value comes in form of inputs that go to putting up infrastructure. In this case almost all inputs are imported save for cheap labour, gravel and murram. I also await a mad civil servant / politician who believes they have brass balls to attempt to toll the road. Thika highway is the kind of projects we pay taxes for, thus someone can't look at them as favors to the citizenry.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 1,668 Location: nairobi
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@kausha..Thika road will pay itself back quite fast in terms of feasibility. Assuming the road carries 100,000 cars per day, the loss due to jam, assuming a modest kes 200 per day per car =kes 20m per day. With a cost of kes 30b, this will pay back in 4 years. This shows a good return. The ability to transport faster also has a net gain towards the economy as a whole. Regarding the toll, its better for Govt to find other ways of recovering monies for repair / maintenance other than toll e.g fuel levy As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/3/2010 Posts: 1,797 Location: Kenya
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@kausha outering road feeds into thika road so they are interlinked. that said plans are under way to dual it and roadside traders have been notified. as for Msa road it was meant to be done uhuru highway to Jkia before US worldbank balked. same thing with southern bypass that the Chinese took over. I think we should stop the thinly veiled conspiracy and look at the bigger picture. thika road goes to Isiolo read lapset, it also goes to Ethiopia a landlocked country of 80m, it also goes to Somalia our soon to be strategic neighbour . that's why it has express lanes and 'githurai' lanes also consider that Kenya as we know it today is due to the railway built over 100years ago so infrastructure has so many unquantifiable sequale I may be wrong..but then I could be right
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Rank: Hello Joined: 5/19/2012 Posts: 1
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Guys...I think Thika Road is good project ...and pls lets NOT politicizing everything.If u used Thika now & before...Ud probably have it figured out.
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/8/2007 Posts: 808
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@digitek & A4arch.., I am not opposed to the project nor am I politicizing, I am just ordinary folk who doesn't take everything from government as gospel and from experience and with all due respect, I have come to cast huge doubts on our leadership, our so called experts and generally our seniors running the show. They keep getting too many things wrong for me to give them the benefit of doubt.
Let's debunk the logic of the lost man hours. I posit that the guys on Outer-ring road are more in any vehicle on average than those on Thika road. I also posit that the people on Mombasa road and the goods on that road are more than those on Thika road and most importantly cost a lot more, in cost of goods and opportunity cost of business/remunuration wasted by men stuck on Mombasa road every morning. Even after expanding the road the cars on Thika road appear to be joining the snarl ups on Uhuru highway and Outer ring road suggesting that we probably are only saving 10-20 shillings per day/man/car on the highway. That is why I was arguing you can not fix Thika road in isolation without addressing Outer - ring road and Uhuru highway concurrently. Mombasa road could be a lot worse were it not for the by passes at south C, South B, Landies and Enterprise but for how long?
Let us also throw out that Isiolo, Ethopia discussion outside unless we are dualing Kenol to makutano. Your surely don't expect people to move from Adis by road to nairobi are we? Marsabit alone is 582KM from Nairobi while Mombasa is 490km. Moyale is 782km!!! As for Lapset, there is no road planned for that project, it's a pipeline, railway and fibre from Lamu to Duala cameroon, funded by the Chinese to move raw materials from Africa to wherever....if this project will cost 2 trillion over the next 10 years where is the first 100B from GoK?
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 10/13/2011 Posts: 67 Location: Kenya
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@Kausha Thika road has 3 lanes on both sides from Githurai to Thika which is close to what you are asking for coz Juja to Thika is only 10KM.The service lanes are necessary unless you want the matatus to continue dropping and picking passengers on the highway. This road is adequate and considering many people are shifting and will continue shifting to that side, the road will soon become very busy. If you happen to use the Eastern by-pass on your way to the airport, you will notice there is already alot of traffic more than most peoople anticipated.
If we had all the money, we could build many highways but we have to prioritize. Am sure there are plans to expand all these roads you have mentioned and I also believe some study and justification was done before the project could be funded.
You are entitled to your opinion though.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 1,668 Location: nairobi
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@kausha.. lets try to analyze the priority in the most rudimentary way.. Which road in Nairobi has/had the most jam btn Thika road and Mombasa road? I have spend many hours stuck on Thika road than on Mombasa road before. Mombasa road has a few arteries such as the Southern Bypass to Langata road and the Eastern Bypass to Kangundo road. As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/2/2011 Posts: 629 Location: Nai
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Kausha wrote:@digitek & A4arch.., I am not opposed to the project nor am I politicizing, I am just ordinary folk who doesn't take everything from government as gospel and from experience and with all due respect, I have come to cast huge doubts on our leadership, our so called experts and generally our seniors running the show. They keep getting too many things wrong for me to give them the benefit of doubt.
Let's debunk the logic of the lost man hours. I posit that the guys on Outer-ring road are more in any vehicle on average than those on Thika road. I also posit that the people on Mombasa road and the goods on that road are more than those on Thika road and most importantly cost a lot more, in cost of goods and opportunity cost of business/remunuration wasted by men stuck on Mombasa road every morning. Even after expanding the road the cars on Thika road appear to be joining the snarl ups on Uhuru highway and Outer ring road suggesting that we probably are only saving 10-20 shillings per day/man/car on the highway. That is why I was arguing you can not fix Thika road in isolation without addressing Outer - ring road and Uhuru highway concurrently. Mombasa road could be a lot worse were it not for the by passes at south C, South B, Landies and Enterprise but for how long?
Let us also throw out that Isiolo, Ethopia discussion outside unless we are dualing Kenol to makutano. Your surely don't expect people to move from Adis by road to nairobi are we? Marsabit alone is 582KM from Nairobi while Mombasa is 490km. Moyale is 782km!!! As for Lapset, there is no road planned for that project, it's a pipeline, railway and fibre from Lamu to Duala cameroon, funded by the Chinese to move raw materials from Africa to wherever....if this project will cost 2 trillion over the next 10 years where is the first 100B from GoK? Let us also throw out that Isiolo, Ethopia discussion outside unless we are dualing Kenol to makutano. Your surely don't expect people to move from Adis by road to nairobi are we? Marsabit alone is 582KM from Nairobi while Mombasa is 490km. Moyale is 782km!!! -Kausha the assumption you have made on the distances is that Nairobi is and will continue to be the epicentre of Kenya. There may well be a case for deriving the most benefits by developing the NE province and moving the seat of Government Northwards. It is my opinion that the greatest potential lies in the vast lands north of Isiolo so Isiolo would a logical choice for the capital. Las Vegas was not more than a rattle snake infested desert before the mafia built it from zero. I have heard a lot to believe that Kenya would benefit a great deal by connecting to Ethiopia through Mandera. As a country that does not speak either of English, French or Kiswahili, Ethiopia is in a position that places it at a considerable disadvantage vis a vis its neighbours. Being landlocked and cut off from the sea by a hostile Eritrea further puts it at a disadvantage. The resources in North Eastern and the agricultural potential of Ethiopia should be enough to stimulate vibrant trade in NE. Redistribution of settlements from the densely populated central, nyanza and parts of western (to North Eastern) should naturally follow - which does a lot for national harmony than any other initiative.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/30/2007 Posts: 1,558 Location: Nairobi
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At speed limit of 50kph which is about 30mph and speed bumps all over. I don't think it can be classified as " a super highway"
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Horton wrote:At speed limit of 50kph which is about 30mph and speed bumps all over. I don't think it can be classified as " a super highway" That is a temporal measure it will remain as such until the road is marked and the flyovers are done "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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accelriskconsult wrote:Kausha wrote:@digitek & A4arch.., I am not opposed to the project nor am I politicizing, I am just ordinary folk who doesn't take everything from government as gospel and from experience and with all due respect, I have come to cast huge doubts on our leadership, our so called experts and generally our seniors running the show. They keep getting too many things wrong for me to give them the benefit of doubt.
Let's debunk the logic of the lost man hours. I posit that the guys on Outer-ring road are more in any vehicle on average than those on Thika road. I also posit that the people on Mombasa road and the goods on that road are more than those on Thika road and most importantly cost a lot more, in cost of goods and opportunity cost of business/remunuration wasted by men stuck on Mombasa road every morning. Even after expanding the road the cars on Thika road appear to be joining the snarl ups on Uhuru highway and Outer ring road suggesting that we probably are only saving 10-20 shillings per day/man/car on the highway. That is why I was arguing you can not fix Thika road in isolation without addressing Outer - ring road and Uhuru highway concurrently. Mombasa road could be a lot worse were it not for the by passes at south C, South B, Landies and Enterprise but for how long?
Let us also throw out that Isiolo, Ethopia discussion outside unless we are dualing Kenol to makutano. Your surely don't expect people to move from Adis by road to nairobi are we? Marsabit alone is 582KM from Nairobi while Mombasa is 490km. Moyale is 782km!!! As for Lapset, there is no road planned for that project, it's a pipeline, railway and fibre from Lamu to Duala cameroon, funded by the Chinese to move raw materials from Africa to wherever....if this project will cost 2 trillion over the next 10 years where is the first 100B from GoK? Let us also throw out that Isiolo, Ethopia discussion outside unless we are dualing Kenol to makutano. Your surely don't expect people to move from Adis by road to nairobi are we? Marsabit alone is 582KM from Nairobi while Mombasa is 490km. Moyale is 782km!!! -Kausha the assumption you have made on the distances is that Nairobi is and will continue to be the epicentre of Kenya. There may well be a case for deriving the most benefits by developing the NE province and moving the seat of Government Northwards. It is my opinion that the greatest potential lies in the vast lands north of Isiolo so Isiolo would a logical choice for the capital. Las Vegas was not more than a rattle snake infested desert before the mafia built it from zero. I have heard a lot to believe that Kenya would benefit a great deal by connecting to Ethiopia through Mandera. As a country that does not speak either of English, French or Kiswahili, Ethiopia is in a position that places it at a considerable disadvantage vis a vis its neighbours. Being landlocked and cut off from the sea by a hostile Eritrea further puts it at a disadvantage. The resources in North Eastern and the agricultural potential of Ethiopia should be enough to stimulate vibrant trade in NE. Redistribution of settlements from the densely populated central, nyanza and parts of western (to North Eastern) should naturally follow - which does a lot for national harmony than any other initiative. So what are you saying? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/24/2006 Posts: 20
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murchr wrote:Horton wrote:At speed limit of 50kph which is about 30mph and speed bumps all over. I don't think it can be classified as " a super highway" That is a temporal measure it will remain as such until the road is marked and the flyovers are done I thought that the rumble strips and clearly marked speed bumps they are currently putting up are permanent?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/26/2012 Posts: 1,182
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Having a bigger road than the present day requirement is planning ahead. You don't expect there to be construction of Thika highway every 10 years when demand goes up. Thika road traffic jams were incomparable hence the priority. I also heard the road minister talk of the overpass on Uhuru highway coming up soon and they sought financing after WB brought issues with the Russian guy. Outering will be expanded in the near future to a dual carriage. All in all, things are looking up.
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