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newfarer
#1 Posted : Monday, March 26, 2012 8:28:42 PM
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Joined: 3/19/2010
Posts: 3,504
Location: Uganda
after a long silence I have decided to talk.how wise is it for wazua to muzzle the freedom of expression of its members with dictatorial tendencies? not that i love politics too much.wazua admin ,my post of 'political fast' has been on sticky post long after I posted it.
we are in sensitive period in our country. wazua shapes the opinion of many kenyans to a great deal.if you block your members from giving their opinions on the kind of leaders offering themselves to be elected you are doing a great disservice to this country and it will take ages for you to recover from the consequences.

honestly you are leading the forum to a cliff.what else is there to discuss? nse has gone to the dogs.plots craze is over after syokimau?and besides with elections around the corner who wants to invest. companies are said to be building their reserves instead just in case of another pev(link businessdaily).

your members are very angry.it will not take time be4 they find another home where they are listened to.pride comes before a fall.

only fools don't change their minds.

let mature politics prevail.

user anyone who gets tribal .no one is against this.
punda amecheka
quicksand
#2 Posted : Monday, March 26, 2012 8:42:28 PM
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Joined: 7/5/2010
Posts: 2,061
Location: Nairobi
Has anyone noticed what just happened? There was a thread titled *RESHUFFLE* started with great diplomatic flair by @dunkang smile ...after 3 posts it was usered. Then another ...*Reshuffle. Usered?* came up ....these two have now been merged into the first thread (which now has 9 posts) and the thread snuffed out....

this is perhaps to give the impression that there was some political debate but woops sorry it has now been closed down....you keep treating us like children ..we'll see how that ends.
wazua
#3 Posted : Monday, March 26, 2012 8:50:24 PM
Rank: Administration


Joined: 11/19/2009
Posts: 679
Dear @newfarer @quicksand,

Make no mistake, your sentiments are welcome and concern noted. The suspension of the Politics section was not a casual move. It happened after we were long castigated for our inaction and the damage the Section was doing to our sense of community.

We realised that where thought leaders hurl profanity and insults at each other, simple-minded folk bear arms and torch property. Similarly where intellectuals engage in white-collar crimes or pornography, at another level some resort to robbery with violence or rape. - pardon the strong language - Do we readily own the unintended consequences of our actions?

Together, we'd first like to outline new rules of engagement for the Politics section that we can collectively own and enforce. For example:

Rule 01. NOT SAYING what one thinks is the truth, before considering your neighbour with strong opposing views.

The Wazua spirit

Manyala
#4 Posted : Monday, March 26, 2012 8:57:51 PM
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Joined: 11/8/2011
Posts: 482
Location: Nairobi

Couldn't agree more with the above 2 posts. What is the meaning of this. Even a reshuffle has been usered. Whilst I initially agreed with the Admin on some of the topics that had taken a very tribal/abusive angle; am now disappointed with the line She is taking. I believe we are now careful about our posts, but to user any post that has the slightest inclination towards politics, with all due respect to the Admin, is going too far.
I believe we are all mature enough to make positive comments on the reshuffle.
My 2 pesos.
masukuma
#5 Posted : Monday, March 26, 2012 9:02:49 PM
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Joined: 10/4/2006
Posts: 13,821
Location: Nairobi
I am surprised that this is not yet 'Usered', Kenyans love being extreme (wazua admin included) reacting with extremes!! its as if people will not discuss the same else where! In talking people get to know each other and understand one another - this will actually help in sorting out sterotypes. Wazua admin should be a moderator not director! wazua admin is behaving like an ostrich having its head in the sand - that as long as people are not talking on Wazua, Kenya is safe!! Kenyans need to talk what is in their hearts, not talking is dangerous!
some advice to Wazua admin - RESPOND TO ISSUES DON'T REACT TO THEM!
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
quicksand
#6 Posted : Monday, March 26, 2012 9:08:38 PM
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Posts: 2,061
Location: Nairobi
@admin...If what you are doing felt right people wouldn't be so infuriated by your actions. They come out as brazen and heavy handed. There is the letter and the spirit of any law.....you need to allow these 2 to balance each other.

I don't want to just criticise so I will offer a compromise: allow political topics to continue, if somebody says something obnoxious, delete the entry. In other forums, bad posts are usually replaced by something like 'this comment has been removed by the moderator' ...implement this, see how this goes?
vinii
#7 Posted : Monday, March 26, 2012 9:16:17 PM
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Joined: 10/14/2009
Posts: 2,057
siasa mbaya maisha mbaya...
If you are an eagle don't hang around with chickens; chickens don't fly....
Ceinz
#8 Posted : Monday, March 26, 2012 9:27:37 PM
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Joined: 5/7/2009
Posts: 1,032
Location: Sea of Transquility
quicksand wrote:
@admin...If what you are doing felt right people wouldn't be so infuriated by your actions. They come out as brazen and heavy handed. There is the letter and the spirit of any law.....you need to allow these 2 to balance each other.

I don't want to just criticise so I will offer a compromise: allow political topics to continue, if somebody says something obnoxious, delete the entry. In other forums, bad posts are usually replaced by something like 'this comment has been removed by the moderator' ...implement this, see how this goes?


I like this. I almost get the feeling like we are being muffled, a place where ideas were being expressed freely we are now being directed like cows being taken to the waterpoint.This going on at a time when some websites are being abused by some politicians for their own motives gives me a feeling that all is not well. someone may have been paid.Shame on you
“small step for man”
muganda
#9 Posted : Monday, March 26, 2012 9:33:27 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 9/15/2006
Posts: 3,905
vinii wrote:
siasa mbaya maisha mbaya...


Hmmmn, I saw this happen in 2008 to Mashada during SK days. The whole site was suspended, and instead, a stroke of good fortune bore Ushahidi.

Me thinks @Wazua is overstretched or broke because of their frequent inaction. So I suggest they should appoint moderators from politicans amongst us.

Anyways, to be constructive I'll help with the rules:


No personal attacks or flaming

Back up your statements; reputable links

NO hateful or tribal slurs.

Don't beat a dead horse (spamming)

Double logins (multiple accounts) are prohibited

MaichBlack
#10 Posted : Monday, March 26, 2012 9:42:47 PM
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Joined: 7/22/2009
Posts: 7,460
Bloody Bure Kabisa!!!

What the hell??? One cannot comment on the "Reshuffle" thread? This ill advised censorship and gagging has gone too far. I don't know what Lady Admin expects to achieve but I think she's way off the mark!

Whoever heads a particular ministry influences my investments & where I plan to put my money next and I'm not "allowed" to comment? Wazua must be the only Kenyan forum where this reshuffle will not be discussed. And wazuans will be the only group of Kenyans who are expected to assume this did not happen.

Just when I think we've hit the bottom, a hole is dug!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
Ceinz
#11 Posted : Monday, March 26, 2012 9:55:47 PM
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MaichBlack wrote:
Bloody Bure Kabisa!!!

Just when I think we've hit the bottom, a hole is dug!

smile
“small step for man”
Magigi
#12 Posted : Monday, March 26, 2012 10:07:21 PM
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Joined: 3/31/2008
Posts: 7,081
Location: Kenya
MaichBlack wrote:
Bloody Bure Kabisa!!!

What the hell??? One cannot comment on the "Reshuffle" thread? This ill advised censorship and gagging has gone too far. I don't know what Lady Admin expects to achieve but I think she's way off the mark!

Whoever heads a particular ministry influences my investments & where I plan to put my money next and I'm not "allowed" to comment? Wazua must be the only Kenyan forum where this reshuffle will not be discussed. And wazuans will be the only group of Kenyans who are expected to assume this did not happen.

Just when I think we've hit the bottom, a hole is dug!

...Many years while I was serving my 3 months stint at NYS, Sergeant Githinji used to warn us before we attended the weekly talk by an invited guest...He would tell us..."Magigi dont ask stupid questions like why so and so was detained...ask useful questions like...Nani raisi wa Kenya?, Mvua ya msimu huu ikinyesha tutapanda mbegu gani na maswali ya aina hiyo..." Now go to Mbuzi season 6 and give us a recipe for Kachumbari...That is what Wazua has degenerated into.
digitek1
#13 Posted : Monday, March 26, 2012 10:18:25 PM
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bepari
#14 Posted : Monday, March 26, 2012 11:44:06 PM
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Joined: 12/6/2009
Posts: 108
Location: nairobi
Freedom of thought,conscience as enshrined in the constitution are God given and not even lady admin can take them away. She started being moi like now shes turned into a mugabe.
if you aint livin on the edge,you are taking too much space....
redondo
#15 Posted : Monday, March 26, 2012 11:46:30 PM
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Joined: 12/2/2009
Posts: 161
Location: nairobi
I think that complaining over and over without proving that wazua as a community is mature enough to engage in positive politics will just harden the admins stance. Truth be told, the freedom of speech does not accord us the freedom to insult those of divergent views and in effect contribute in polarising this country. Perhaps as a sign of good faith, we can join in formulating the new rules/code of conduct for engaging. That would be a sign that we can self regulate.

On another note its now clear to me why wazungu wako mbele. Instead of mad slinging the way we do on wazua, their approach to politics is objective and action oriented. Check out this site

http://www.americanselect.org/

These guys are using the web to both contribute to their country's political debate as well as help nominate an independent candidate.
In a nut shell, they invite users to

Define the crucial issues facing our nation—beyond just red and blue.

-Rank your priorities for our next president
-Answer questions that determine your individual views
-See how you compare to other delegates and candidates

Shape the Debate

-Choose the questions all candidates must answer to seek the Americans Elect nomination.
-Help define the "Platform of Questions" by voting and posting your own
-Debate the issues with other delegates and candidates
-Meet up with other delegates in your area

Choose the Candidates

-Find and draft candidates with solutions that work
-Match with candidates who share your views
-Draft new candidates to run on Americans Elect
-Follow and support candidates with solutions you believe in

Cast Your Vote

-Nominate the President and VP directly
-Narrow the field of candidates
-Evaluate finalists’ choices for vice president
-Vote in the online convention

pariah
#16 Posted : Tuesday, March 27, 2012 1:04:36 AM
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Joined: 11/24/2011
Posts: 833
MaichBlack wrote:
Bloody Bure Kabisa!!!

What the hell??? One cannot comment on the "Reshuffle" thread? This ill advised censorship and gagging has gone too far. I don't know what Lady Admin expects to achieve but I think she's way off the mark!

Whoever heads a particular ministry influences my investments & where I plan to put my money next and I'm not "allowed" to comment? Wazua must be the only Kenyan forum where this reshuffle will not be discussed. And wazuans will be the only group of Kenyans who are expected to assume this did not happen.

Just when I think we've hit the bottom, a hole is dug!


ditto BBK

We can politick in tz on jamii forum lold'oh! Liar Liar Pray
Marty
#17 Posted : Tuesday, March 27, 2012 6:37:23 AM
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Joined: 3/31/2008
Posts: 761
Location: Nairobi
redondo wrote:
I think that complaining over and over without proving that wazua as a community is mature enough to engage in positive politics will just harden the admins stance. Truth be told, the freedom of speech does not accord us the freedom to insult those of divergent views and in effect contribute in polarising this country. Perhaps as a sign of good faith, we can join in formulating the new rules/code of conduct for engaging. That would be a sign that we can self regulate.

On another note its now clear to me why wazungu wako mbele. Instead of mad slinging the way we do on wazua, their approach to politics is objective and action oriented. Check out this site

http://www.americanselect.org/

These guys are using the web to both contribute to their country's political debate as well as help nominate an independent candidate.
In a nut shell, they invite users to

Define the crucial issues facing our nation—beyond just red and blue.

-Rank your priorities for our next president
-Answer questions that determine your individual views
-See how you compare to other delegates and candidates

Shape the Debate

-Choose the questions all candidates must answer to seek the Americans Elect nomination.
-Help define the "Platform of Questions" by voting and posting your own
-Debate the issues with other delegates and candidates
-Meet up with other delegates in your area

Choose the Candidates

-Find and draft candidates with solutions that work
-Match with candidates who share your views
-Draft new candidates to run on Americans Elect
-Follow and support candidates with solutions you believe in

Cast Your Vote

-Nominate the President and VP directly
-Narrow the field of candidates
-Evaluate finalists’ choices for vice president
-Vote in the online convention


i concur with this post. Let admin formulate draft rules then presents them to us for review, additions or amendments. Then all of us wil own the rules and anyone who violates them wil be dealt with. Matters politic must b discussed in a mature manner as we all know the impact.
When I admire the wonder of a sunset or the beauty
of the moon, my soul expands in worship of the Creator.
YesuWangu
#18 Posted : Tuesday, March 27, 2012 7:18:40 AM
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Joined: 8/11/2010
Posts: 1,588
masukuma wrote:
I am surprised that this is not yet 'Usered', Kenyans love being extreme (wazua admin included) reacting with extremes!! its as if people will not discuss the same else where! In talking people get to know each other and understand one another - this will actually help in sorting out sterotypes. Wazua admin should be a moderator not director! wazua admin is behaving like an ostrich having its head in the sand - that as long as people are not talking on Wazua, Kenya is safe!! Kenyans need to talk what is in their hearts, not talking is dangerous!
some advice to Wazua admin - RESPOND TO ISSUES DON'T REACT TO THEM!



Masukuma, you know you have escaped.

On other matters, maybe those complaining should do instead of talk.

If they want to go they should have gone.

Let us who remain be the ones to talk about them after they have gone.
Robinhood
#19 Posted : Tuesday, March 27, 2012 7:28:37 AM
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Joined: 12/11/2008
Posts: 2,306
Wazua, further to removing offensive comments, you could also bar the persons posting such for a period of time. Turning such persons to users does not adequately punish misdeeds nor does it encourage behavior change.
Great men are not always wise, neither do the aged understand judgement...
newfarer
#20 Posted : Tuesday, March 27, 2012 7:31:17 AM
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Joined: 3/19/2010
Posts: 3,504
Location: Uganda
YesuWangu wrote:
masukuma wrote:
I am surprised that this is not yet 'Usered', Kenyans love being extreme (wazua admin included) reacting with extremes!! its as if people will not discuss the same else where! In talking people get to know each other and understand one another - this will actually help in sorting out sterotypes. Wazua admin should be a moderator not director! wazua admin is behaving like an ostrich having its head in the sand - that as long as people are not talking on Wazua, Kenya is safe!! Kenyans need to talk what is in their hearts, not talking is dangerous!
some advice to Wazua admin - RESPOND TO ISSUES DON'T REACT TO THEM!



Masukuma, you know you have escaped.

On other matters, maybe those complaining should do instead of talk.

If they want to go they should have gone.

Let us who remain be the ones to talk about them after they have gone.

we have made this site what it is,that's why despite the dissatisfaction we have held on.its just a matter of time if the issues are not addressed members will have nothing to talk about and therefore no reason to log in.slow death.
punda amecheka
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