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You should be better than your parents
Pastor M
#1 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2011 12:07:57 PM
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I have being invited to speak to high school students (whom I think they have great opportunities in their future) and I will talk to them about being better off than their parents infact I feel like telling them that if you find that you are below your psrents you are a failure or a curse.....what do you think is it true?or how should I put it ?

Also when contemplating how you’re faring in the bigger picture across your entire adult life and into the future, would you consider yourself to be better off or worse off than your parents?

Do you think you childrean will be better off than you ?
McReggae
#2 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2011 12:29:36 PM
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How shallow can an advice be???
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Avy
#3 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2011 12:35:09 PM
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With all due respect turn the opportunity down pliz.. You dont sound confident enough to be of any impact to those students.
TAZ
#4 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2011 12:35:13 PM
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Pastor M wrote:
I have being invited to speak to high school students (whom I think they have great opportunities in their future) and I will talk to them about being better off than their parents infact I feel like telling them that if you find that you are below your psrents you are a failure or a curse.....what do you think is it true?or how should I put it ?

Also when contemplating how you’re faring in the bigger picture across your entire adult life and into the future, would you consider yourself to be better off or worse off than your parents?

Do you think you childrean will be better off than you ?


I feel that statement coming from a man of God is quite unfortunate. Don't put too much pressure on the students just encourage them to keep working hard....otherwise they'll end up as pharmacists so as to be "better off than their parents". I think it all depends on how you were brought up. You also have to consider the fact that nowadays uchumi imekuwa mbaya. Come to think of it shouldn't it be the parents who should strive to ensure their kids get a better life.
specky
#5 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2011 12:37:33 PM
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@pastor,your parents should be most respected by you,why would you think that you are better than them.First tell us ,are you better than your parents and for you to have this kind of thoughts are you really a pastor?
most of our parents have sacrificed everything to make us what we are now ! atleast i know mine have.
Euge
#6 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2011 1:08:36 PM
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Pastor M wrote:
I have being invited to speak to high school students (whom I think they have great opportunities in their future) and I will talk to them about being better off than their parents infact I feel like telling them that if you find that you are below your psrents you are a failure or a curse.....what do you think is it true?or how should I put it ?

Also when contemplating how you’re faring in the bigger picture across your entire adult life and into the future, would you consider yourself to be better off or worse off than your parents?

Do you think you childrean will be better off than you ?


And whats your definition of being better off? I ask this because people loosely define this as meaning having more money.

If you are giving it a christian perspective, emphasize on the students doing what pleases God even in difficult moments.
Also talk to them about being of value to society in their own small way. And talk of values such as honesty, decency (sp)etc.... and believing in themselves...
Lord, thank you!
Njung'e
#7 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2011 1:16:33 PM
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Decline the invitation coz seriously,you do not understand the subject that you want to lecture the students on....

BTW,do you have children Pastor?If you do,have you ever found out if they are doing better than you ...And if they aredoing better than you,how did you explain the fact that you are their dad and a failure at that?...Just thinking aloud!
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Mtu Biz
#8 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2011 1:27:51 PM
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Are you serious ?

I don't even know what to say to that.

Sad
Sola Scriptura


bwenyenye
#9 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2011 1:30:48 PM
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You have no idea what you are saying boss. Turn the offer down.or speak on something you know. It is certainly not bringing up children!
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Ms Mkenya
#10 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2011 1:32:55 PM
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@ Pastor, like everyone else above says, you are on the wrong path. Brick wall
One, you may put too much pressure on the students.. Secondly, you may set their goals too low. What if their parents are drug dealers or chang'aa brewers? Haalllooo! We all want to be better than that. d'oh! d'oh!

I agree with @Guka, decline the invite... Or get a more inspiring message. Look into the bible, you will get lots you can use.
....above all, to stand.
Injere
#11 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2011 1:34:03 PM
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Pastor - Consider something more inspirational, e.g. personal development, achieving their full potential, avoiding/dealing with peer pressure. Stuff like this would be more relevant in my view for this age bracket....too young to deal with complex adult stuff along the lines you are thinking.
Ms Mkenya
#12 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2011 1:36:45 PM
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Njung'e wrote:

BTW,do you have children Pastor?If you do,have you ever found out if they are doing better than you ...And if they aredoing better than you,how did you explain the fact that you are their dad and a failure at that?...Just thinking aloud!


I wonder too..
....above all, to stand.
Mtu Biz
#13 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2011 1:53:23 PM
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This is why i feel nothing for titles.

You were invited because you are a "Pastor".

99% of your audience have probably never known you nor will they ever know you after that.

Meaning... you will never be appraised by that group based on who you are as a person i.e your character.

If this is the way you were to approach motivating children to some higher ideals i literally shudder at the thought of how you would preach the Gospel.

If you are really a pastor i urge you seriously re examine yourself and your chosen profession.

Sola Scriptura


Ondiek
#14 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2011 1:58:11 PM
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Respect your father and mother.
Injere
#15 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2011 2:06:06 PM
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Shame on you let's keep to the topic. No need to attack personalities or the good office of the pastor.
Pastor M
#16 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2011 2:16:08 PM
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Thank you all ....I believe its the dream of every upright generation to strive to see the next generation becoming better off than they are, and for every generation to strive to be better off than the past generation.........personally I would feel like failure(economically) if I achieve below what my parents achieved.
Mtu Biz
#17 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2011 2:34:33 PM
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@ Injere

Fair enough.

@ Pastor M

I know i have differed with you on almost all threads you have contributed to. And for good reason.

I promise to be more level headed. Peace. smile




Sola Scriptura


Pastor M
#18 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2011 3:08:05 PM
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@Mtu Biz no worries....Now my question is if its you who has being invited to talk on this topic 'the theme of the seminar is 'STIVE TO BE BETTER THAN YOUR PARENTS"...I have the materials...I just want some additional points,I believe wazua has people who are more experienced....Kindly look at this topic in a positive way because from the comments I got I think you looked at it in a negative way.
Magigi
#19 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2011 3:18:09 PM
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Don't forget to let them know that they can be better off by setting up C130, Jumbo Jet, Boeing 777 or Helicopter ministries!!!
sanity
#20 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2011 3:23:23 PM
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Pastor..I will always advice my kids to strive to achieve more than me..If I didn't complete basic education(for whatever reasons)
-I will advice and struggle that they may achieve university education.
-If I had one cow,I will advice and pray that they have several cows
-I I was a lowly paid office messenger,I would pray that my kids become MDs,CEOs etc.
-etc,etc

However you need to advice them to follow their dreams not forgetting this is a harsh world which ussually judges one by his/her economic abilities.

Also advice them to read the book,'Rich dad,poor dad'.

plus @magigi's advice

Good luck
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