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US CREDIT RATING DOWNGRADED!!!.....WHAT NEXT????
Rank: Elder Joined: 2/27/2007 Posts: 2,768
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hi all, i have been trying to understand the US debt crisis that culminated in a an "amicable" solution?...to me that was neither here nor there as this was expected and only served to postponed a much bigger financial turbulence shortly ahead...the debt crisis seems to have been a distraction!!...prior to then the US was literally broke and printing of more money would not do....so only two options were available...to raise the debt ceiling to finance their superfluous spending or to let the dollar clash on a free fall...the logical route prevailed... now one monster (debt crisis) out through the window and another one (credit rating) in through the door...the way i understand it is that the respected globally recognised credit rating agency Standard & Poor’s downgraded the US's credit rating because the fiscal consolidation plan that Congress and the Administration recently agreed to falls short of what, would be necessary to stabilize the government’s medium-term debt burden...meaning the US is fast declining in her ability to repay debts....whew!!! the action by S&P seems to be a major indicator of the real debt situation by the US and have very far reaching market repercusions...the time is very close indeed when the large US creditors will nolonger be interested in buying into her treasuries sending the dollar to its abbys and the real long painful financial mayheim will have been set in motion...it seems the debt downgrading is just but a prelude...don't say you were not warned... ...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/4/2010 Posts: 8,977
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It is called extend and pretend policy... The road sign for the eurozone and US debt crisis points one way - default even if it takes centuries! How the CBs i.e. US Fed bank and ECB have been able to buy their own bonds and everybody still participates in this financial system, means we've all just lost our minds...! $15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/21/2006 Posts: 608 Location: Ruiru
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@Kaigangio, We are stuck with the dollar for a long time. They will just print more green bucks....what will the world do? America has been the source of all major financial crises and will continue to be so for the next few years. Am not economically savvy and I think S&P may be wrong but I don't think the prospects are good. "..I am because we are. "― Ubuntu, Umtu,
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Rank: User Joined: 5/3/2011 Posts: 559
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.... and there is nothing more scary than the fact that, there seems to be nothing saver than the US Treasuries, Despite the downgrade of U.S. debt, Treasury prices rose,this morning, pushing yields lower!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/21/2006 Posts: 1,590
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Have you ever been running at speed then you realise you are coming up to a brick wall? You know there is going to be serious pain and your choice is only which part of your bod will take the impact. The Euro-zone members are almost there with some of their periphery economies. Over the next 1yr, some like Greece, Portugal will be told something along the lines “it’s not you, it’s us”, as they bid are goodbye out of the Euro. USA’s luck is that the Chinese hold $1trn and it’s now their problem rather than the USA’s. That is, there is no way, the Chinese can sell their $ holdings without causing themselves serious pain. Sehemu ndio nyumba
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/29/2010 Posts: 679 Location: nairobi
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just read that mauriritius is diversifying its reserves reducing USD and EUR exposure to COMMODITY CCYS AND SCANDIES...theyr also lukin to buy yuan SA and indian bonds...the USD is loosing its shine...problem is the world cant totally diversify from the USD CATCH 22
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Rank: User Joined: 5/3/2011 Posts: 559
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kizee1 wrote:just read that mauriritius is diversifying its reserves reducing USD and EUR exposure to COMMODITY CCYS AND SCANDIES...theyr also lukin to buy yuan SA and indian bonds...the USD is loosing its shine...problem is the world cant totally diversify from the USD CATCH 22 Mauritius? why would anyone cares what Mauritious is doing?
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/4/2010 Posts: 8,977
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Drunkard wrote:kizee1 wrote:just read that mauriritius is diversifying its reserves reducing USD and EUR exposure to COMMODITY CCYS AND SCANDIES...theyr also lukin to buy yuan SA and indian bonds...the USD is loosing its shine...problem is the world cant totally diversify from the USD CATCH 22 Mauritius? why would anyone cares what Mauritious is doing? Nobody gave a hoot when a food hawker snuffed out his life in Tunisia until Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Yemen and many more yet to tank gubberments were rocked by stack reality...$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/1/2008 Posts: 104 Location: Nairobi
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I’m no financial whizz kid, but this guy’s argument sounds plausible to me... While the US’s ability to pay its debt is in doubt, it also controls the currency in which it pays that debt, making it unlikely that the country will be forced into nonpayment. S&P has acknowledged the same. Consequently, despite concerns over it’s downgrade , the US will be able to repay the money it borrows. That repayment may come in devalued dollars, but it will come. (Seth Setrakian of First New York Securities) Généralement, les gens qui savant peu parlent becoup, et les gens qui savant beaucoup parlent peu. - Rousseau.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/27/2007 Posts: 2,768
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Mainat wrote:Have you ever been running at speed then you realise you are coming up to a brick wall? You know there is going to be serious pain and your choice is only which part of your bod will take the impact. The Euro-zone members are almost there with some of their periphery economies. Over the next 1yr, some like Greece, Portugal will be told something along the lines “it’s not you, it’s us”, as they bid are goodbye out of the Euro. USA’s luck is that the Chinese hold $1trn and it’s now their problem rather than the USA’s. That is, there is no way, the Chinese can sell their $ holdings without causing themselves serious pain. you are right, but the financial relationship between the US and China might not last long...There will of course, be a breaking point, and we could be on our way to there. China, Russia, France and a host of other nations held a secret meeting sometime back to decide on a new world reserve currency or at least to eliminate the US dollar as the sole reserve currency of the world...this is not good news at all... ...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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Another credit crunch. PAP! Time for me to be a millionaire in 2013 first quarter! Portfolio: Sold You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/9/2008 Posts: 2,824
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GGK wrote:@Kaigangio, We are stuck with the dollar for a long time. They will just print more green bucks....what will the world do?
America has been the source of all major financial crises and will continue to be so for the next few years.
Am not economically savvy and I think S&P may be wrong but I don't think the prospects are good.
Was watching PM live on NTV today and I can tell you the world has started doing something about it... Central Bank of Mauritius just replaced the dollar with the YUAN and the RUPEE as the country's holding currency. Argument... they trade more with the china and india, hence need for more hard YUAN/RUPEE than the dollar. Mauritius may be a small country but that is a very telling sign. When I have money, I get rid of it quickly, lest it find a way into my heart.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/9/2008 Posts: 2,824
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Actually things are thicker than we think: Peter Schiff, a noted american financial analyst from Mises Institute has already the following about US debt to China.. "We're not going to pay the Chinese back their money. It's impossible. We can't. We can't possibly."http://www.americanthink...nevitable_demise_1.html
Also see: http://www.independent.c...-the-dollar-1798175.htmlWhen I have money, I get rid of it quickly, lest it find a way into my heart.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/8/2008 Posts: 947
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kingfisher wrote:GGK wrote:@Kaigangio, We are stuck with the dollar for a long time. They will just print more green bucks....what will the world do?
America has been the source of all major financial crises and will continue to be so for the next few years.
Am not economically savvy and I think S&P may be wrong but I don't think the prospects are good.
Was watching PM live on NTV today and I can tell you the world has started doing something about it... Central Bank of Mauritius just replaced the dollar with the YUAN and the RUPEE as the country's holding currency. Argument... they trade more with the china and india, hence need for more hard YUAN/RUPEE than the dollar. Mauritius may be a small country but that is a very telling sign. Aiihhhh brother not replaced but diversified to other currencies. I think this is the general trend that will eventually lead to development of a mixed basket of currencies that will form foreign currency reserves. I doubt anyone will base their foreign currency reserve on the yuan only since the Chinese have a bad habit of making their currency artificially weak which favors their export market.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/8/2008 Posts: 947
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[quote=kingfisher]Actually things are thicker than we think: Peter Schiff, a noted american financial analyst from Mises Institute has already the following about US debt to China.. "We're not going to pay the Chinese back their money. It's impossible. We can't. We can't possibly."http://www.americanthink...nevitable_demise_1.html
Also see: http://www.independent.c...the-dollar-1798175.html[/quote] This is a chicken and Egg situation. The chinese cannot recall on the debt because this will hurt the US economy and eventually this will hurt chinese exports due to reduced consumer spend on chinese goods by the americans. I doubt this is the demise of the dollar as there is no other currency that can replace it or take over. Euro is a useless currency with the PI(I)GS (portugal, ireland, (italy), greece and spain) weighing down on the useless currency. Yuan is too controlled and artificially controlled to be used. Yen is busy sleeping like the japan economy and all the other currencies are just to small for the world. The Mauritius basket of currencies might be the best and probably only way to go.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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The world economy is currently like a passenger in a bus tumbling down a steep incline but with nobody at the controls. There is nothing anyone can do about the imminent crash somewhere in the horizon. Options: -run to the chinese yuan; sorry dead end, the yuan is pegged to the US$ and the chinese economy depends on sales to the US -run to the Euro; oops this is a dead cert to collapse before the $ -try Indian and the so called commodity currencies; again, dead end they are dependant on consumption (of oil, metals and the resultant cars, mobile phones, electronic gadgets) mostly by the west (US)) so their collapse will quickly follow the $ and euro. S&P's downgrading of US debt has to be the biggest joke in awhile coz there is really nowhere else to run, everything else automatically moves down a notch. However, this collapse could be a good thing, the world (mostly the west) are over consuming everything based on credit which they can't afford. Seriously, why does an American citizen have to buy a car he can't afford so that he can keep a car factory's doors open to sustain jobs that are not adding any value apart from wasting the worlds resources. A dollar collapse will have very painful immeadite impact to our exporters and diaspora inflows, but the market correction will certainly make things better because of our negative BOP. We are not as well insulated as say Brazil but the expected price reduction in almost everything that is globally traded will be welcome. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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