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alutacontinua
#1 Posted : Saturday, July 23, 2011 3:22:11 PM
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Global warming and the role carbon emissions have in increasing the CO2 levels within the earth has over the years sparked off great debate. The UN has taken the lead role in trying to tackle this global problem and their noble efforts have however, lead to further debate about slowing down economic growth rates of industrialized countries as well as hindering developing countries to become more industrialized and compete with the rest of the world (in a nutshell).


This has resulted in the creation of an economic carbon market that would see countries and corporations cap their emissions (in legally binding contracts) and buy carbon credit points from countries (both developed and developing) and private institutions that use alternative sources of energy (“clean energy”) if there was a breach in contract by exceeding CO2 emission limits.


On March 24th 2011 the African Carbon Exchange launched a carbon trading facility at Fairview Hotel in Nairobi and the government through the ministry of finance has started plans to launch the Nairobi Climate Exchange after numerous enquiries about carbon credit projects being undertaken in the country.


Global institutions such as HSBC, JP Morgan, World Bank’s Bio Carbon Fund and German Development and Investment bank KfW and various foreign based institutions are planning to set up shop in the country. The IFC has a new fund set up to cover a financing gap arising from the EU’s decision to stop buying carbon credits from developing countries beginning next year and companies such as Kengen have already applied to the U.N for CERs (certified emission reductions) or carbon credit points for some of their energy projects. (Link on potential impact of carbon credit points earned by the company is below)

It should be noted that projects such as afforestation and reafforestation also have the ability to gain CERs and are not only limited to the government and can be done by individuals.

In the spirit of Wazua, I wanted to start the thread so as to get opinions and more importantly share information as this opportunity looks like a potential economic earner for the country. The floor is open………
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alutacontinua
#2 Posted : Saturday, July 23, 2011 3:28:59 PM
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To begin with here are some links to articles from bd I found and have been an interesting read so far and show the potential:

http://www.businessdaily...-/12ptfumz/-/index.html

http://www.businessdaily...2/-/ng4v7m/-/index.html

IFC Carbon Fund - http://www.businessdaily.../-/l7mt9sz/-/index.html

Kenya Airways starts a carbon offset programme - http://allafrica.com/stories/201105070046.html

Project started by a Swiss based firm in Kenya – http://www.businessdaily...8/-/fgasxd/-/index.html

Kengen looking to tap into the carbon market –
http://www.businessdaily...6/-/edfd7v/-/index.html

The thread of the effects of this and other factors on the stock (idea by @Cde Monomotapa)
http://wazua.co.ke/forum.aspx?g=posts&t=13793

Dont mean to spam the links d'oh! d'oh!
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Cde Monomotapa
#3 Posted : Saturday, July 23, 2011 5:17:37 PM
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Cheers @the-struggle-continua. Let's have a looksie.
Cde Monomotapa
#4 Posted : Saturday, July 23, 2011 5:23:44 PM
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Now...if 35MW of Geo=300M...What will 500MW of Geo by 2014 yeild per.annum? Do the math.
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#5 Posted : Saturday, July 23, 2011 5:28:06 PM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Now...if 35MW of Geo=300M...What will 500MW by 2014 yeild per.annum? Do the math.

The above r only calculations on KGN's Geothermal and don't include further C.Credit potential sales from wind sources.
mwanahisa
#6 Posted : Saturday, July 23, 2011 5:46:29 PM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Now...if 35MW of Geo=300M...What will 500MW by 2014 yeild per.annum? Do the math.

The above r only calculations on KGN's Geothermal and don't include further C.Credit potential sales from certain hydro & wind sources.


Cde, I have already asked this question on the KGN thread, but do you have irrefutable evidence that this is a fact? I am not entirely sure that I can rely on BD Africa for this.

I remember vaguely that the amount coming from CCs on Mumias Cogen project was fairly puny.
mwanahisa
#7 Posted : Saturday, July 23, 2011 5:50:22 PM
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And just to do the math if 35 MW = 300 mil, 500 MW = Kshs 4,285,714,000. Looks like an awful lot of money (kind of unbelievable) unless this is strung out for many many years. What do you say?
Cde Monomotapa
#8 Posted : Saturday, July 23, 2011 6:00:00 PM
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mwanahisa wrote:
And just to do the math if 35 MW = 300 mil, 500 MW = Kshs 4,285,714,000. Looks like an awful lot of money (kind of unbelievable) unless this is strung out for many many years. What do you say?

KK turns over 100s of Bs a year. I don't find that unbelievable.
mwanahisa
#9 Posted : Saturday, July 23, 2011 6:04:00 PM
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Kindly respond to this question first. At this point I will even drop the issue of irrefutable. Let's just say reasonable basis - other than BD's reporting?

mwanahisa wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Now...if 35MW of Geo=300M...What will 500MW by 2014 yeild per.annum? Do the math.

The above r only calculations on KGN's Geothermal and don't include further C.Credit potential sales from certain hydro & wind sources.


Cde, I have already asked this question on the KGN thread, but do you have irrefutable evidence that this is a fact? I am not entirely sure that I can rely on BD Africa for this.

I remember vaguely that the amount coming from CCs on Mumias Cogen project was fairly puny.

Cde Monomotapa
#10 Posted : Saturday, July 23, 2011 6:07:42 PM
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Nevertheless, i have to agree with @mwanahisa about the interpretation of that 300M quoted by BD i.e is p.a or over a period. That will have to be confirmed by management soon. Bottom line, there is money to be made in this AIR trading and I am confident that Kengen's current & pipeline green energy capacity will yield the highest returns accessible to the public (Via NSE)
mwanahisa
#11 Posted : Saturday, July 23, 2011 6:10:11 PM
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Kindly let us stick to KGN not KK. KGN's total revenue last year was 11.1 Billion with a profit of 1.96 Billion. Taking this into context, wouldn't you agree that 4.3 B from carbon credits only sounds rather incredible?

I may also point you to the PIBO prospectus for KGN which has some financial projections. They seem to have forgotten to include the CCs income since the figures there are not all that rosy.

Cde Monomotapa wrote:
mwanahisa wrote:
And just to do the math if 35 MW = 300 mil, 500 MW = Kshs 4,285,714,000. Looks like an awful lot of money (kind of unbelievable) unless this is strung out for many many years. What do you say?

KK turns over 100s of Bs a year. I don't find that unbelievable.

mwanahisa
#12 Posted : Saturday, July 23, 2011 6:12:01 PM
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Sorry, I was a bit to quick to shoot from the hip not knowing you were working on a response. But perhaps, you can still address my concerns....

Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Nevertheless, i have to agree with @mwanahisa about the interpretation of that 300M quoted by BD i.e is p.a or over a period. That will have to be confirmed by management soon. Bottom line, there is money to be made in this AIR trading and I am confident that Kengen's current & pipeline green energy capacity will yield the highest returns accessible to the public (Via NSE)

Cde Monomotapa
#13 Posted : Saturday, July 23, 2011 6:12:40 PM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Nevertheless, i have to agree with @mwanahisa about the interpretation of that 300M quoted by BD i.e is p.a or over a period. That will have to be confirmed by management soon. Bottom line, there is money to be made in this AIR trading and I am confident that Kengen's current & pipeline green energy capacity will yield the highest returns accessible to the public (Via NSE)

Cde Monomotapa
#14 Posted : Saturday, July 23, 2011 6:22:28 PM
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P.S: That's not a concern (the 300M) I have come to learn about today. Read that article a long time ago. The C.Credits remain additional income to me as my key interest in Kengen supersedes but is reinforced by it. My key interest is to continue to make $$ by increasing electricty output into a hungry & under-served Vision 2030. (w/o Mulika Mwizi campaigns..just pay ur bills on time, capice!)
mwanahisa
#15 Posted : Saturday, July 23, 2011 6:36:42 PM
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Io Capisco. Grazie.

But....

It would be helpful if you could back up the expected increases in revenue as expressed in 14 above with projections of how it will affet KGN's bottomline. My reading of the PIBO prospectus appears to suggest that the increases in revenue will be more than offset by the increases in expenditure at least for the first and second phases of KGN's expansion of generating capacity.
Cde Monomotapa
#16 Posted : Saturday, July 23, 2011 6:51:33 PM
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mwanahisa wrote:
Io Capisco. Grazie.

But....

It would be helpful if you could back up the expected increases in revenue as expressed in 14 above with projections of how it will affet KGN's bottomline. My reading of the PIBO prospectus appears to suggest that the increases in revenue will be more than offset by the increases in expenditure at least for the first and second phases of KGN's expansion of generating capacity.

Hold up... I have Eddy on the line. Capex will be off-set against PIBO funds and other financing options & these appear in the cash-flow statement & not P&L save for finance costs. In terms of Opex (thanx to McKinsey of KCB too) KGN has exemplary y-o-y cost control which I can only compare to NMG. I'd be lying to say how much will be made off C.Credits but it is my great expectation that along with Treasury interest income will go further to reduce our net finance costs (PIBO, Donor funds e.t.c) in every given financial year going-forward. That's one of my critiques of this Co. & so far so good smile
Cde Monomotapa
#17 Posted : Saturday, July 23, 2011 7:01:53 PM
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Thus, even if KGN made 4.2B off C.Credits over say...4yrs..that in essence is 1B p.a and that goes a long way in easing the burden off and or boosting annual revenue and hence yearly profits.
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