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Vision 2030: Is it really possible to attain the objectives?
eboomerang
#1 Posted : Thursday, June 30, 2011 1:35:57 PM
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As a Kenyan, I have been keenly following this Vision 2030 program and so far I somehow find it hard to crystallize how the objectives will be met.

Read some analysis behind this link:
http://wp.me/p1B0a4-U

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#2 Posted : Thursday, June 30, 2011 5:26:03 PM
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eboomerang wrote:
As a Kenyan, I have been keenly following this Vision 2030 program and so far I somehow find it hard to crystallize how the objectives will be met.

Read some analysis behind this link:
http://wp.me/p1B0a4-U


Go on to Thika rd. U will SEE an answer there.
eboomerang
#3 Posted : Thursday, June 30, 2011 5:45:52 PM
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It's fine to have a super highway with 12-lanes, in a normal functioning country the roads are that smooth all the time.

However, could you explain how the life of the people living Mathare North(located just next to the new highway) will change after the project is completed?
sorovi
#4 Posted : Thursday, June 30, 2011 5:53:03 PM
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You need not just look at the highway.. research on the number of business that have taken a keen interest in setting up shop there.. this traslate to better services closer to their homes, saves the hussle of going to town etc.. translates to saving and better conditions for them
eboomerang
#5 Posted : Thursday, June 30, 2011 6:04:54 PM
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I've actually taken a wider perspective on this matter. The article I wrote (link provided in my firs post) tries to paint a big picture of my reasoning why this is not a sustainable model. The highway was just an example.

The people living in Mathare North (btw no offense here, just picked the place for illustration purposes)are not living under those conditions because there are no services such as banks near them. Even if the bank came to their houses what would they be sending to the bank?
sorovi
#6 Posted : Thursday, June 30, 2011 6:46:57 PM
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employment will also follow suit.. If a mall/supermarket are setup as was suggested.. at least a number of people will also get jobs.. and will slowly improve the quality of life
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#7 Posted : Thursday, June 30, 2011 7:46:37 PM
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I am compelled to total agreement with the boomerang and lend a new angle. In my opinion, Kenya should be working for itself and within itself to deliver the baby at 'term 2030'. We have institutions of higher learning churning engineers in their hundreds and we can only participate in our own infrastructure development as casual laborers. Local industries & intellectual capacities are at a loss for having not participated in such a crucial undertaking as Thika road. Vision 2030 is not something to be outsourced as we sit back in our hammocks marveling at Chinese ingenuity, but to be actively participated in by Kenya as the largest stakeholder.
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eboomerang
#8 Posted : Thursday, June 30, 2011 8:08:12 PM
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sorovi wrote:
employment will also follow suit.. If a mall/supermarket are setup as was suggested.. at least a number of people will also get jobs.. and will slowly improve the quality of life

When we are talking about national level operations, the targeted scope is not a "number" of people but rather we take into considerations generations upon generations. With your mindset,how many malls do you have to open in order for all the people in the densely population areas to be employed gainfully.
eboomerang
#9 Posted : Thursday, June 30, 2011 8:11:13 PM
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Ustadh Ongige wrote:
... Vision 2030 is not something to be outsourced as we sit back in our hammocks marveling at Chinese ingenuity...


Exactly, that's the point.
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#10 Posted : Thursday, June 30, 2011 8:31:59 PM
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Interesting thoughts. Lets not underestimate the impact of infrastructure on development. it has a big multiplier effect on the economy. I need to read the whole vision document to get make a clear critique.
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sorovi
#11 Posted : Thursday, June 30, 2011 10:27:49 PM
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One key thing about infrastructure is that it opens an area for development.. When roads, water, electricity, hospitals, schools are available, businesses sprout to provide services to the population which translates to employment etc.. these don't have only to be malls, it can be any form of business...

Education also plays a critical role in providing the required resources..

"Outsourcing" is as a result of delivery and quality of service provided.. Can you compare the work the Chinese are doing and what local guys deliver? its about getting the best value for money (not that I support it)
eboomerang
#12 Posted : Friday, July 01, 2011 10:48:39 AM
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Lolest! wrote:
Interesting thoughts. Lets not underestimate the impact of infrastructure on development. it has a big multiplier effect on the economy. I need to read the whole vision document to get make a clear critique.


Absolutely, we don't underestimate the impact infrastructure could have to an economy. The cost of doing business will be reduced and entry barriers lowered etc.

If you look closely at what is going on in South Africa you will realize that having good infrastructure is not the ultimate solution. At least not for the normal citizen. Their government continues to battle alarming crime levels and trying to manage xenophobia (fear of foreigners).

It's the learned foreigners who come to seize the business opportunities while the locals get relegated to small time casual employment.

My hope is that our Kenyan government develops a more compelling vision for its people than subjecting them to small casual jobs.
eboomerang
#13 Posted : Friday, July 01, 2011 10:55:21 AM
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sorovi wrote:

....."Outsourcing" is as a result of delivery and quality of service provided.. Can you compare the work the Chinese are doing and what local guys deliver? its about getting the best value for money (not that I support it)


I'm in the process of writing an article on this matter. I'll keep you posted if interested.
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