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Rank: Member Joined: 11/9/2010 Posts: 132
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I wonder what will excite the market. With good results coming in, there isn't a commensurate rally.Is it that investors are spoilt for choice? Wazuans,whats your opinion on this?
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/4/2010 Posts: 8,977
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I gave this two explanations why the market will not react or sell some... http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...amp;m=149655#post149655
http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...&m=152171#post152171$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/10/2010 Posts: 1,001 Location: River Road
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@hisah, i really liked the two explanations. What's your advise banks are now trading at p.e. of 8 which is quite attractive some of the yields equal what i am getting on the money market. it's starting to feel like 2001-2002 all over again cheap stocks, a hostile political climate, slowing down of reforms, liquidating of assets in preparation of the elections. Industrials do not seem to be doing so well even absorbing and deploying capital.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/4/2010 Posts: 8,977
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@mkonomtupu - at the moment I'm more concerned with the behaviour of global oil and global food prices. If this two don't slow down soon, I expect financial markets especially equities to catch a cold. Whether stocks are cheap or expensive, wild oil prices always have a way of raising the red flag on global economy growth, which means bets off on financial markets. I am watching these 2 central banks (US Fed and ECB) to determine which way to go. If ECB hikes rates (very likely) it will feel like March 2008 - end of stimulus or easy money/credit. Locally watch the inflation rate. If it shoots through 6% and oil prices are still high with a weak shilling, NSE will under perform since the GDP growth will also slow down. If the USD/KES rate hits 90 - I'll be out of stocks completely and troop to the money markets for higher interest rates. $15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/23/2010 Posts: 1,229
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@ hisah - I'm taking notes.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/20/2011 Posts: 1,820 Location: Nakuru
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me too Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/20/2011 Posts: 1,820 Location: Nakuru
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The business dude at KTN prime is saying inflation as of today 28 feb 2011 is 6.45%....a quick pick at the money market..the dollar (US) is at 82.. Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/4/2010 Posts: 8,977
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http://www.businessdaily...6/-/2d0kp3/-/index.html
Inflation rate officially above 6%. Far higher than I had expected and quite a spike above the CBR. MPC has eggs in the face for stating inflation will be contained below 5% limit yet they keep on lowering the CBR. But I'm happy the fraud in the inflation model is getting exposed. But do we expect from gubberment. Last time when maize flour spike above 100, we had 2 prices - one for poor & one for rich fellows. Well, we all know how the story ended. Now we have fuel control. We will see how it ends if history is an indicator. I'm revising my outrageous 7% target to 9% in the next quarter. This is bad for equities. @scubidu - where at thou we discuss this inflation hedonics fraud models practised by gubberment. Did u see china did the same this jan and even admitted furging the CPI to manipulate inflation figures. I expect the shanghai & hangseng to lead the rest of global stocks lower as inflation esp real estate blows out of utopia just like europe & US in 2007. $15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/9/2010 Posts: 132
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Thank you all for your contributions.I now see how macro economics come into play in the stock market, with all the info. I will trade defensively, waiting for some opportunities which may present themselves in the near future. I read somewhere that inflation is the interest which is charged to the public.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/10/2010 Posts: 1,001 Location: River Road
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@Hisah now update us on this 9% inflation which you indicated would come in Q2 and its effect on equities. Is it just temporary or is this the shocker like 1993-1994. I'm thinking if it keeps up at this pace banks are going to get plenty of defaults soon. I'm a simpleton from mashinani so try also explain
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/12/2010 Posts: 1,199 Location: Eastlander
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mkonomtupu wrote:@Hisah now update us on this 9% inflation which you indicated would come in Q2 and its effect on equities. Is it just temporary or is this the shocker like 1993-1994. I'm thinking if it keeps up at this pace banks are going to get plenty of defaults soon. I'm a simpleton from mashinani so try also explain ..mhmmm... read from many an investor... Stock market returns have historically trumped inflation... most recent case..Zimbabwe.. high inflation hurts livelihood..but portends market turn around..coming soon.. High energy prices, rising unit labor costs and pressure on supplies of key resources such as steel and cement (thanks to Hurricanes Katrina and Rita) are lining up like some ill-fated stars to guarantee the Fed will continue raising short-term interest rates. anyway..high inflation..too much cash chasing too few good...meaning cbk to mop up has increased base rate..later translate to banks adjusting lending rates upwards..consumer goods also see price hikes.. some dude i don't know wrote: "High interest rates and companies raising prices don’t add up to an investment profile most investors enjoy. However, stocks are still a good hedge against inflation because, in theory, a company’s revenue and earnings should grow at the same rate as inflation over the time.
..i believe the dude is smart.  ..Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven...Matt5:16 - 1769 Oxford King James Bible 'Authorized Version
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/4/2010 Posts: 8,977
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hisah wrote:@mkonomtupu - at the moment I'm more concerned with the behaviour of global oil and global food prices. If this two don't slow down soon, I expect financial markets especially equities to catch a cold. Whether stocks are cheap or expensive, wild oil prices always have a way of raising the red flag on global economy growth, which means bets off on financial markets. I am watching these 2 central banks (US Fed and ECB) to determine which way to go. If ECB hikes rates (very likely) it will feel like March 2008 - end of stimulus or easy money/credit.
Locally watch the inflation rate. If it shoots through 6% and oil prices are still high with a weak shilling, NSE will under perform since the GDP growth will also slow down. If the USD/KES rate hits 90 - I'll be out of stocks completely and troop to the money markets for higher interest rates. USD/KES finally approaches 90. Very sad indeed. EA region will go into a recession. As I had stated, I'm getting out of equities. T-Bills are the new game.
http://www.forexpros.com/currencies/usd-kes
http://www.forexpros.com/currencies/eur-kes
http://www.forexpros.com/currencies/gbp-kes
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2010 Posts: 2,221 Location: Sundowner,Amboseli
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Thinking the few "lucky" expoerters are smiling all the way to the banks, also foreign investors are really getting good bargains from our weakening currency @SufficientlyP
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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The east african economy is unable to go into recession even if it tried.. What the NSE is going through is merely a rough patch.. Financial Equities are trading at ridiculously low valuations and I would recomend them as buys... These are getting major business from the government and corporates so they are unlikely to be affected by reduction in disposable income.. Im kind of bearish on industrials except the monopolies like KPLC and BAT because their input costs must be becoming a hassle. At these prices financial stocks & KPLC & BAT are offering returns equal to the money market so why buy bonds?? When the 2012 elections do go peacefully and it is evident we are on track for vision 2030 then the NSE will smell the coffee.. I just hope you are positioned well for the 15 year bull that will ensue after 2012 Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/25/2009 Posts: 4,534 Location: Windhoek/Nairobbery
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Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:Thinking the few "lucky" expoerters are smiling all the way to the banks, also foreign investors are really getting good bargains from our weakening currency Not true at all for foreign investors...yes buying is cheaper but selling is very expensive...i myself i'm in a big mess i.e Sh 8000 used to be N$800 (exchange rate N$1=Sh10) now its N$620 (exchange rate N$1=Sh 13.20)...do you see those forex losses??? in fact i'm tied up...for how long i dont know...Well the NSE20 is bearish that 10 period moving average crossed the 50 period moving average on Friday signaling downward pressure...fasten your belts...life is hard.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2007 Posts: 2,048 Location: Lagos, Nigeria
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Point of correction @the deal, you as a foreigner living or schooling in Kenya are not foreign investors in the true sense of the word as you spend in ksh. The foreign investors he is referring to are non resident foreigners like me that bring in 100 USD that will baloon to almost 9000 Ksh wheras 4 years ago it was barely 6000 Ksh. Also as a long term investor (apologies to you) I do not need the repartriate the proceeds immediately, my 9000 Ksh would have compunded over years due to the growth of stock price and dividend income and i may be lucky the exchange rate may be 90 Ksh to a dollar then. The beauty of investing accross boarders ! The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/4/2010 Posts: 8,977
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@Guru is still bullish or neutral... I'm well positioned in the fx market pamoja na akina @Qw, @ceinz, @fxtech etc. No worries. I'm not touching those bonds, just t-bills. Since a number of wazuans are still bullish, I wish NSE had short selling... I'd be short these cheap valued financial stocks & buy them back in Q4 2012  I'm waiting for the USD short squeeze as the Chinese find themselves trapped with them & euros... Will make sense soon. All the best. $15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/25/2009 Posts: 4,534 Location: Windhoek/Nairobbery
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@young i might be here but 100% of my funds come from home...so i'm just like you...i plan to exit the Kenyan market over the coarse of the year...i'm a firm believer in the Namibian economy...its well diversified unlike Botswana we dont solely depend on diamonds...its well managed...there is political stability...i believe the economy will growth average 4.8-6% every year over the the next 5-10 years barring any recession...thats where i wanna go long term not here..so in Kenya i speculate with all my portifolio and repertriate the gains thats what all the foreign investors are doing...that strategy has worked supeer fine for me thus far...unless there is political stability in Kenya i will never go long term...mention 2012 to anyone here they get scared...i came to Kenya in 2007 in October and 2 month down the line Kenya was burning and the NSE was on its knees...i dont want any of that.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/25/2011 Posts: 946
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hisah wrote:@Guru is still bullish or neutral... I'm well positioned in the fx market pamoja na akina @Qw, @ceinz, @fxtech etc. No worries. I'm not touching those bonds, just t-bills. Since a number of wazuans are still bullish, I wish NSE had short selling... I'd be short these cheap valued financial stocks & buy them back in Q4 2012  I'm waiting for the USD short squeeze as the Chinese find themselves trapped with them & euros... Will make sense soon. All the best. @ hisah , my friend i am long euro. Yeah i know you hate hearing that .
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/10/2010 Posts: 1,001 Location: River Road
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I'm with @guru on the bullish east african economy after 2012. Uganda is currently arguing with tullow on the amount of oil to be produced per day, tullow wants to produce 200,000 barrels per day by 2015 (that's $2billion dollars a day) for the next 25 years and uganda thinks that will shock the economies of east africa economies. Heck even somalia is looking bullish flights to mogadishu are fully booked. I just hope raila if he gets elected will not pick up fights with M7, the stakes for 2012 are high.
@deal, where do you think you are going, we need your analysis some of us can't do numbers. But i love the pessimism it's always time to buy on low valuations
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