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Aguytrying
#1 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 10:01:00 AM
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Dear wazuans, what forms of investment can generate a passive income that is higher than a middle class kenyans income, that would cover the expenditures of everyday life in kenya. Can stocks alone really do it? I intend to work less as i grow older, and have my passive income be enough for me n company. I was of the view that stocks could do it, but im not so sure. What are your views and or experiences. Thank you.
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ProverB
#2 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 10:21:47 AM
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Number 1 .. Rental Income

Number 2 .. Land revaluation..buy some plot by huge bypass junction..and chill out

Number 3.. Dividend income... how many safcom shares at4.50 giving sh 0.20 dividend do u need in a year to have a div cheque of 1M? smile
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young
#3 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 10:37:41 AM
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In addition for leverage purpose add the following o the list :-

(4) Investment in medium risk mutual fund
(balancee of stocks & Fixed income).

(5) Savings in hard currency

(6) Investment in bonds/Commercial papers etc


The above six models is actually my passive income strategy.
I thought investing fully on stocks will suffice, but of recent I did a rethink and re-balance of my assets.

All the above are necessary if you are getting old and wish to retire within the next ten years.
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redondo
#4 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 11:08:02 AM
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In my opinion, capital gains from stocks investment and even rental income don't count as passive income. Just ask Mukiha how passive it is chasing after your tenant to pay rent.
Aguytrying
#5 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 1:48:25 PM
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@proverb, young. Thanks for clear concise answers. Capital gains from stocks alone cant do it for sure.
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VituVingiSana
#6 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 2:24:22 PM
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Let @stocksmaster manage your cash...
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Tommy
#7 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 2:36:53 PM
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redondo wrote:
In my opinion, capital gains from stocks investment and even rental income don't count as passive income. Just ask Mukiha how passive it is chasing after your tenant to pay rent.
Rental income can be stressing to collect, However you can sit down and enjoy by giving your building/Property to a trusted estate agent(s). Nowadays tenants respect agents and won't play hide and seek. @Aguytrying, Seriously consider the rental income option since it is long term.
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Aguytrying
#8 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 3:58:17 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Let @stocksmaster manage your cash...

there's an idea....
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
erifloss
#9 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 4:48:24 PM
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1. Invest in high dividend yielding shares. They never disappoint in terms of capital gains and dividend payment. Take an example of BAT, it was around 60 in 2003 and its around 270 now and yet your dividends get through yearly.
2. High yielding bonds and commercial papers.
3. Real estate. Not only for the rental income but capital gain.
'They say money cannot buy me happiness but when i compare when i had none and now, i'm happier' Kevin O'leary
MaichBlack
#10 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 5:23:03 PM
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I totally agree with everyone who is suggesting rental income. You must have at least one flat [not apartment!] by the time you retire!

The immediate problem is, how do you raise the cash to build a flat - without over relying on loans?

Step 1:
Identify a good location where you want to build the flat and buy yourself a plot there soonest - Prices will not wait for you.

Step 2: Identify areas which have not completely opened up but have great potential and get yourself huge pieces of land at bargain prices. The sale of this land in future will partially finance your construction - Capital gains.

Step 3: Invest in the NSE and other avenues. You will use the gains to finance construction in future.

Step 4: [Which is actually step 0] - Define "future". When do you want to have your first tenants. This will inform 1 - 3 above.

NB: Rental houses can be as passive as passive can be. There are some tenants who have never seen their landlord - ever! Get a reputable agent and they will manage everything for you professionally!

Approach Two: Zawadi 2929 - When it finally comes back - "bigger and better".
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
Tommy
#11 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 5:55:44 PM
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MaichBlack wrote:
I totally agree with everyone who is suggesting rental income. You must have at least one flat [not apartment!] by the time you retire!

The immediate problem is, how do you raise the cash to build a flat - without over relying on loans?

Step 1:
Identify a good location where you want to build the flat and buy yourself a plot there soonest - Prices will not wait for you.

Step 2: Identify areas which have not completely opened up but have great potential and get yourself huge pieces of land at bargain prices. The sale of this land in future will partially finance your construction - Capital gains.

Step 3: Invest in the NSE and other avenues. You will use the gains to finance construction in future.

Step 4: [Which is actually step 0] - Define "future". When do you want to have your first tenants. This will inform 1 - 3 above.

NB: Rental houses can be as passive as passive can be. There are some tenants who have never seen their landlord - ever! Get a reputable agent and they will manage everything for you professionally!

Approach Two: Zawadi 2929 - When it finally comes back - "bigger and better".

@maich good tips and nice 2929 joke Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Don't wait for the Last Judgment. It happens every day. ~Albert Camus, The Fall, 1956
qw25041985
#12 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 7:13:11 PM
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Tommy wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
I totally agree with everyone who is suggesting rental income. You must have at least one flat [not apartment!] by the time you retire!

The immediate problem is, how do you raise the cash to build a flat - without over relying on loans?

Step 1:
Identify a good location where you want to build the flat and buy yourself a plot there soonest - Prices will not wait for you.

Step 2: Identify areas which have not completely opened up but have great potential and get yourself huge pieces of land at bargain prices. The sale of this land in future will partially finance your construction - Capital gains.

Step 3: Invest in the NSE and other avenues. You will use the gains to finance construction in future.

Step 4: [Which is actually step 0] - Define "future". When do you want to have your first tenants. This will inform 1 - 3 above.

NB: Rental houses can be as passive as passive can be. There are some tenants who have never seen their landlord - ever! Get a reputable agent and they will manage everything for you professionally!

Approach Two: Zawadi 2929 - When it finally comes back - "bigger and better".

@maich good tips and nice 2929 joke Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly



hahaha. Or try charity sweepstakes !
Your future depends on your dreams so go to sleep !
qw25041985
#13 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 7:16:11 PM
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@ aguy u might not love this. but try fx ....NOT day trading.Where u make your profits in two hours or so .But having a long-term approach. Has allllot of money trust me...
Your future depends on your dreams so go to sleep !
Ceinz
#14 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 10:56:59 PM
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MaichBlack wrote:
I totally agree with everyone who is suggesting rental income. You must have at least one flat [not apartment!] by the time you retire!

NB: Rental houses can be as passive as passive can be. There are some tenants who have never seen their landlord - ever! Get a reputable agent and they will manage everything for you professionally!



Maich black its 'A block of flats'

True, im a tenant who's never seen my landlord. We just pay in her account (I envy this) and the agent collects the slips.

If u got the capital, this is a pretty good investment.
“small step for man”
gatoho
#15 Posted : Friday, February 11, 2011 4:45:29 AM
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Aguytrying wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Let @stocksmaster manage your cash...

there's an idea....



I tried that and he declined me.. Passively at least but still declined! mebbe I'll plant a million cabbages
Foresight..
qw25041985
#16 Posted : Friday, February 11, 2011 8:06:04 AM
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I think you cannot go wrong with land and real estate...Donal Trumph made his fortune out of real estate. John Gandel made his fortune out of real estate.Richard LeFrak, Brad Kelly , B. Francis Saul II the list goes on and on and on...do a google search..
Your future depends on your dreams so go to sleep !
VituVingiSana
#17 Posted : Friday, February 11, 2011 8:20:12 AM
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Lakini... The richest chaps:

Bill Gates - Software
Warren Buffet - Insurance & Investments [various]
Carlos Slim - Telecommunications + others
Michael Dell - Computers
Ambani Brothers - Textiles & Chemicals
Lakshmi Mittal - Steel
Sunil Mittal - Telecommmunications (Airtel)
Sergey Brin & Larry Page - Google

And you do not need to google most of these!

Donald Trump's net worth is like pocket change the many of the guys in the list!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Ceinz
#18 Posted : Friday, February 11, 2011 10:09:37 AM
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Lets not lose focus here, we are not trying to topple/ find our way to the billionaires list, what we are looking for is PASSIVE INCOME. Real estate still is king.
“small step for man”
VituVingiSana
#19 Posted : Friday, February 11, 2011 10:22:42 AM
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Ceinz wrote:
Lets not lose focus here, we are not trying to topple/ find our way to the billionaires list, what we are looking for is PASSIVE INCOME. Real estate still is king.

When times are good... Real Estate is king but if you buy using a loan [15%] then your rental return is only 6% = The 9% shortfall can hurt unless property prices rise 9% per annum.

If the flat remains empty for 1 month, that is a net loss as well.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
madhaquer
#20 Posted : Friday, February 11, 2011 11:03:40 AM
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Rental income is good, but what is important is to understand that before any investment becomes 'passive' the amount of time and hardwork put into it is proportionate.

In the real estate case, you need to go out scout for quality locations, make money to buy land, spend time with contractors, spend in marketing and insurance, and eventually dealing regularly with the agent and renovating etc... This actions are what really determine that the passive income will keep coming in.

Another form of passive income which is an extension to the stocks idea is owning a large chunk of a company and sitting on it's board. (not actively managing it). This also works in the case of being a silent partner to a trusted and hardworking entrepreneur.
Also Boards of directors in large companies have annual honorariums of over a million in addition to other director's fees. If you are well connected you can be invited to sit on a board just by lobbying.
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