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And just like that @Alphadoti killed a rather interesting thread "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/26/2011 Posts: 181 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:So, for you to be safe; you should believe in (1) the One Universal God, (2) the Message delivered by Teachers (messengers and prophets) in the past, these are Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad peace be upon them all... Moses and Jesus, left a scripture; unfortunately their scriptures are not in their pristine form; Do not make difference between any of these messengers... Be safe from what? hell? burning in eternal fire? anathematized? cursed? Where did this concepts originate from? Mythical cultures of ancient past? You might want to look back into ancient Egyptian and Greek Mythologies. I call these the claws that religion uses to maintain in us a paralysis of analysis. Reminding us we will go to hell if we don't toe the line. So we fail to think rationally, so that we can be safe! such a fallacy. You like emphasize the monotheism of Islam, ignoring the fact Judaism also practices the same belief. But again folks here are not even saying that their problem is too many gods; No, they are simply questioning why their faith in religion is waning. So I really don't see why if one is losing faith in one Abrahamic religion would embrace the other. All 3 main religion are Abrahamic in origin (I still wonder why Galatians 4:24 refers to Abraham as an Allegory). That is just like defecting from one party to another, hoping to find the final solution. Soon enough it fails to meet your needs and you hop on to another. First time in history we can save the human race by laying in front of the TV and doing nothing. Let's not screw it up
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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AlphDoti wrote:So, for you to be safe; you should believe in (1) the One Universal God, (2) the Message delivered by Teachers (messengers and prophets) in the past, these are Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad peace be upon them all... Moses and Jesus, left a scripture; unfortunately their scriptures are not in their pristine form; Do not make difference between any of these messengers... You never get it. People have no issue with Christianity. They have an issue with God. They don't believe there's a supreme being Preaching a cult that's an offshoot of Christianity and then mixing with Arabic paganism is not helping them at all
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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The history of religion and God is the political history of humanity. And any ideas about God and religion should be viewed from a political context.
The Abrahamic religions are focused on one political fact: the creation and sustainance of a body politic ruled by God for a chosen people.
But in my estimation, this goal is unattainable and God has to be sought afresh.
Or rather, God has to reveal himself/herself/itself again. Because our political history has come to a dead end.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/15/2011 Posts: 4,518
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Ngogoyo wrote:Iganamagana wrote:You are not alone brother. You have put it as it is. Facing the same dilemma here. Do you accompany your wife and children to church? @AA how do you convince yourself to do something against your logic just because you are afraid to get burnt in a fire that no one has ever come back to tell us about? Why would we get burnt for failing to accept that which we were not convinced about!!!!! lool. The lamentations of Ngoyoyo. "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/15/2011 Posts: 4,518
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murchr wrote:And just like that @Alphadoti killed a rather interesting thread  Imam Alpha. "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/16/2007 Posts: 1,320
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tycho wrote:
God has to be sought afresh.
Or rather, God has to reveal himself/herself/itself again. Because our political history has come to a dead end.
In my view it may be more of man rediscovering himself. Some say we are spiritual beings having a human experience. I tend to agree with this view.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Enuma Elish wrote:AlphDoti wrote:If we go back a bit in history, the Israelites, the idea in their minds got narrowed down to that of a tribal God. But their ancestors like Jacob (whose name was changed to Israel in the Bible) had the principle of worshiping ONE GOD, the One True and
Universal God.
The Jews or Christians claim the merits of Father Abraham and of Jesus, BUT DO THEY FOLLOW THEM? Because there were righteous men in the past, it cannot help
us unless we are ourselves righteous.
The Jews initially, though taught Unity, went after false gods, and the Christians invented the Trinity or borrowed it from Paganism. We must go back to pure, the doctrine of Abraham, to live and die in faith in the One True God. Yahweh? @enuma, yes Yahweh and no one else! No statutes, no trinity! No son-god... only oneness of Yahweh.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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essyk wrote:Ngogoyo wrote:Iganamagana wrote:You are not alone brother. You have put it as it is. Facing the same dilemma here. Do you accompany your wife and children to church? @AA how do you convince yourself to do something against your logic just because you are afraid to get burnt in a fire that no one has ever come back to tell us about? Why would we get burnt for failing to accept that which we were not convinced about!!!!! lool. The lamentations of Ngoyoyo. @ngogoyo, since your thread is abot religion, let me say something else. When we remain heedless of the signs of God, our Creator, then we prefer to live a life without guidance, an animalistic way of life. And then we will have to face the consequences of our choices.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote:So, for you to be safe; you should believe in (1) the One Universal God, (2) the Message delivered by Teachers (messengers and prophets) in the past, these are Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad peace be upon them all... Moses and Jesus, left a scripture; unfortunately their scriptures are not in their pristine form; Do not make difference between any of these messengers... You never get it. People have no issue with Christianity. They have an issue with God. They don't believe there's a supreme being Preaching a cult that's an offshoot of Christianity and then mixing with Arabic paganism is not helping them at all Oh sure! He has a problem with his religion. He is talking about church, so definately it can only be Christianity... Ngogoyo wrote:My dilemma, I can’t seem to get motivated to attend church nor listen to prayers or read bible.
I have a problem believing in much of the principles like Jesus, Jews, Israel, contentious stories, the bible etc. I do believe there is a higher power and for sure I came from somewhere!
There is a real problem in the current church set up... Elders/officials being holier than thou on Sunday but source of their wealth is evil, immoral etc.
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