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The KenolKobil 2015 pendulum
enyands
#161 Posted : Tuesday, December 29, 2015 4:52:31 PM
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obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
I told you this counter has no monumental support but you crusaders grinned broadly and scoffed me badly. Now you are languishing with whimsy in a major bloodletting battlefield where most of you are left wounded beyond wisely written opinions!

Tell them brother



@Spikes and @Obiero now eating on the same plate though daggers drawn and hidden underneath the dining table.this is just funny
obiero
#162 Posted : Tuesday, December 29, 2015 5:05:28 PM
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enyands wrote:
obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
I told you this counter has no monumental support but you crusaders grinned broadly and scoffed me badly. Now you are languishing with whimsy in a major bloodletting battlefield where most of you are left wounded beyond wisely written opinions!

Tell them brother



@Spikes and @Obiero now eating on the same plate though daggers drawn and hidden underneath the dining table.this is just funny

@spikes sees value as it should be seen, a forecast

HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
VituVingiSana
#163 Posted : Wednesday, December 30, 2015 1:54:08 AM
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Spikes wrote:
I told you this counter has no monumental support but you crusaders grinned broadly and scoffed me badly. Now you are languishing with whimsy in a major bloodletting battlefield where most of you are left wounded beyond wisely written opinions!

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly We didn't jump up and down. The 9.55 trade was obviously done across the books. Don't fear, the real value will be seen in 2016 & beyond.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Realtreaty
#164 Posted : Wednesday, January 06, 2016 6:51:19 PM
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I do expect an additional 40Cts dividend to top the 10cts paid as interim to make it 50cts this 2015. What else can we ask for if a bonus is far?
The new found riches will only kick in when multinationals appoint or or two downstream companies to sell their locally processed products for the first year in 2019.
mlennyma
#165 Posted : Wednesday, January 06, 2016 9:08:48 PM
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Realtreaty wrote:
I do expect an additional 40Cts dividend to top the 10cts paid as interim to make it 50cts this 2015. What else can we ask for if a bonus is far?
The new found riches will only kick in when multinationals appoint or or two downstream companies to sell their locally processed products for the first year in 2019.

you beat me in optimism, i expect 20cts to make it 30cts
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
VituVingiSana
#166 Posted : Friday, January 08, 2016 10:09:02 AM
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CO1:COM
Brent Crude (ICE)
USD/bbl. 34.35 FEB 16
CP1:COM
Crude Oil (Tokyo)
JPY/kl 25,980.00 JUN 16

Good news for KK for fuel deliveries in Feb & March as the amount needed to finance cargoes reduces. Unfortunately, GoK has imposed excise taxes at the pump so consumers may not benefit as much.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Ericsson
#167 Posted : Friday, January 08, 2016 10:17:12 AM
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@VituVingiSana;
Excise tax was not imposed to all the various fuel categories as u think;
Super petrol there was no change in tax;
Diesel excise tax was increased by ksh.2.13
Kerosene there was no change in excise tax
Expect a reduction of about ksh.8 on super petrol when the review is done next week Thursday 14 January 2016
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
VituVingiSana
#168 Posted : Friday, January 08, 2016 10:40:37 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
@VituVingiSana;
Excise tax was not imposed to all the various fuel categories as u think;
Super petrol there was no change in tax;
Diesel excise tax was increased by ksh.2.13
Kerosene there was no change in excise tax
Expect a reduction of about ksh.8 on super petrol when the review is done next week Thursday 14 January 2016


@Ericsson - I may have misspoken. This article says 16% VAT will be imposed on all fuel products.
http://www.businessdaily...2/-/5cnnvn/-/index.html

From ERC's website [here they discuss excise duty not VAT] http://www.erc.go.ke/ind...est-news&Itemid=579

Excise duty for Super Petrol remained the same at Kshs 19.895 per litre while kerosene remained zero rated. Could it be the cargoes that landed in Dec & Jan will now be subject to Excise Duty?

However, one cargo of diesel was increased by Kshs 2.061 per litre. The other diesel cargoes considered in this month’s price review remain unaffected since their last dates of discharge were before the effective date of the new excise tax (i.e. 1st Dec 2015). This has been verified with the Kenya Revenue Authority. All diesel cargoes in Dec & Jan will not be affected by higher excise taxes.

So @ericsson:
1) Are there 2 taxes we will get hit with i.e VAT and Excise Tax?
2) Were all cargoes of PMS landed before 1 Dec [in the 14 Dec price review] and not hit by excise taxes? Or is there no excise tax for PMS?
3) What's the impact on fuel prices for AGO now that all cargoes for the 14 Jan review will have landed after the re-introduction of the excise tax?

And then to bring it home. Does this affect KK's cash position negatively?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Ericsson
#169 Posted : Friday, January 08, 2016 11:10:24 AM
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VituVingiSana;
The Director General was even on TV yesterday where he said consumers should expect lower fuel prices due to currency being stable at ksh.102 to the dollar and falling oil prices.
He stated that only diesel had it's excise duty raised by ksh.2 as I have quoted.

For cargoes that landed in January;diesel will continue being subjected to the new excise duty while super and kerosene will have no effect.All diesel cargoes in December and January will be subjected to the new excise duty.

For the 16% VAT that will take effect in september and will affect mostly cooking gas.This was removed sometimes back when gava wanted to encourage it's consumption and reduce destruction of forests/use of charcoal for cooking.

The article on business daily is very misleading;I stopped trusting that newspaper as their news is normally vague.
To summarise and answer your last questions;
1.Diesel all cargo will be subjected to the new excise duty,VAT hakuna.
3.Fuel prices are expected to reduce since the reduction in international crude oil prices outweighs the impact of the marginal increase in excise duty for diesel.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Realtreaty
#170 Posted : Saturday, January 09, 2016 7:55:20 PM
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The year 2015 has ended and what is ours hs already been set. 2015 was a better year and the harvest was not very bad for KK.
I pray that KK go straight to the point and give us the yields without Delay by February Month.
Kama mbaya ni mbaya whichever way we describe it from here.
The ball is on Ohana's Rachet now
obiero
#171 Posted : Saturday, January 09, 2016 8:26:48 PM
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Realtreaty wrote:
The year 2015 has ended and what is ours hs already been set. 2015 was a better year and the harvest was not very bad for KK.
I pray that KK go straight to the point and give us the yields without Delay by February Month.
Kama mbaya ni mbaya whichever way we describe it from here.
The ball is on Ohana's Rachet now

This stock has not moved more than 2 shillings up in the last 3 years.. Wazuans need to chase better returns than the 10cents dividend from KK

HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
VituVingiSana
#172 Posted : Saturday, January 09, 2016 10:04:57 PM
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obiero wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
The year 2015 has ended and what is ours hs already been set. 2015 was a better year and the harvest was not very bad for KK.
I pray that KK go straight to the point and give us the yields without Delay by February Month.
Kama mbaya ni mbaya whichever way we describe it from here.
The ball is on Ohana's Rachet now

This stock has not moved more than 2 shillings up in the last 3 years.. Wazuans need to chase better returns than the 10cents dividend from KK

Better a 10 cent dividend than none for 3 years from you know who! Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Spikes
#173 Posted : Sunday, January 10, 2016 9:25:24 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
The year 2015 has ended and what is ours hs already been set. 2015 was a better year and the harvest was not very bad for KK.
I pray that KK go straight to the point and give us the yields without Delay by February Month.
Kama mbaya ni mbaya whichever way we describe it from here.
The ball is on Ohana's Rachet now

This stock has not moved more than 2 shillings up in the last 3 years.. Wazuans need to chase better returns than the 10cents dividend from KK

Better a 10 cent dividend than none for 3 years from you know who! Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


Chasing KQ stock is like a cow on heat that needs shafting from natural bulls not artificial insemination.
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
Realtreaty
#174 Posted : Monday, January 11, 2016 10:20:25 AM
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Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you ...Oops....don't SPIKE it here!!!!!
Spikes wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
The year 2015 has ended and what is ours hs already been set. 2015 was a better year and the harvest was not very bad for KK.
I pray that KK go straight to the point and give us the yields without Delay by February Month.
Kama mbaya ni mbaya whichever way we describe it from here.
The ball is on Ohana's Rachet now

This stock has not moved more than 2 shillings up in the last 3 years.. Wazuans need to chase better returns than the 10cents dividend from KK

Better a 10 cent dividend than none for 3 years from you know who! Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


Chasing KQ stock is like a cow on heat that needs shafting from natural bulls not artificial insemination.

Magnate
#175 Posted : Monday, January 11, 2016 2:02:36 PM
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No diagnosis,no pragnosis,no pragnosis no profit......Jesse livermore
Realtreaty
#176 Posted : Thursday, January 14, 2016 7:41:43 PM
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The Brrel is going down, the retail is going down. And what will hppen to the profits? Chep oil prices is an added advantage to the poor who use the oil products to produce. What bout the effects of reduced revenue to Govt? The Govt seek to tax more to raise money from other areas like goods, services.
Could this be the best time govt built our oil industries to reap when prices start going up. What is the price of oil related equipment when oil prices goes down? Do they also become cheaper?
VituVingiSana
#177 Posted : Friday, January 15, 2016 2:50:12 PM
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2mn+ shares bought by foreigners [myStocks] at 9.40 ... Puma/Trifigura, Essar or anyone should make a play for KK at a hefty premium!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
mlennyma
#178 Posted : Friday, January 15, 2016 2:56:39 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
2mn+ shares bought by foreigners [myStocks] at 9.40 ... Puma/Trifigura, Essar or anyone should make a play for KK at a hefty premium!

It's the second time this year big deals are secretly negotiated above 9 since the bids are never seen and wanjikus left to sell below 9 since their small holding can't satisfy the deep pockets
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
Magnate
#179 Posted : Friday, January 15, 2016 6:15:08 PM
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Can someone shed some more light on block trading at the NSE,I normally see million+ block of shares moved without seeing them being offered as asks/bids on the trading boards.How does this happen?,how does the buyer /seller know what millions of shares are on offer? etc.
No diagnosis,no pragnosis,no pragnosis no profit......Jesse livermore
Aguytrying
#180 Posted : Friday, January 15, 2016 6:19:49 PM
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Magnate wrote:
Can someone shed some more light on block trading at the NSE,I normally see million+ block of shares moved without seeing them being offered as asks/bids on the trading boards.How does this happen?,how does the buyer /seller know what millions of shares are on offer? etc.


It's negotiated at the broker level before execution
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