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Mukiri
#81 Posted : Wednesday, November 06, 2013 5:48:29 PM
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masukuma wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
In short, you want Africa to become America or Europe

no... I want africa to be a better Africa. Africa will never be any of those places you are talking about? We took on the white man's education did we become Europe? no we became a better Africa! we took on the White man's Medicine did we become Europe? We have adapted his computing.... have we become Europe? We are all about being a better Africa. A better land for our children.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't a better Africa 'for our children' one where their basic necessities are guaranteed? Food, Cloth and shelter? One where they get a decent education and thereafter opportunities to ply their trades? Where they have access to clean water and good healthy food? One where they are safe and free from corruption and can enjoy a quality life?

Ama what exactly does 'A better Africa mean'? One full of rockets and satellites?

Proverbs 19:21
McReggae
#82 Posted : Wednesday, November 06, 2013 7:53:42 PM
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.....In my field I respect the Indians, with technology borrowed from Europe and taken to Asia coz of the cheap labour one thing normally stand out, Chinese copy even mistakes, Indians seek to know why it is that way and even improve the machines!!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
masukuma
#83 Posted : Wednesday, November 06, 2013 9:10:12 PM
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Mukiri wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
In short, you want Africa to become America or Europe

no... I want africa to be a better Africa. Africa will never be any of those places you are talking about? We took on the white man's education did we become Europe? no we became a better Africa! we took on the White man's Medicine did we become Europe? We have adapted his computing.... have we become Europe? We are all about being a better Africa. A better land for our children.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't a better Africa 'for our children' one where their basic necessities are guaranteed? Food, Cloth and shelter? One where they get a decent education and thereafter opportunities to ply their trades? Where they have access to clean water and good healthy food? One where they are safe and free from corruption and can enjoy a quality life?

Ama what exactly does 'A better Africa mean'? One full of rockets and satellites?

yani better is subsistence to you? what you describe is exactly what I went through (I appreciate that not everyone did that but most of the people here had food, clothing, shelter, went to fairly good schools and got an opportunity to ply my trade as soon as i cleared school). i had access to clean water and good healthy food. ION those things should be provided by parents. a society that is better is a society where gava does things that individuals cannot do... build roads, do proper research e.t.c. a space program should be in my mind what iHub is to technology... a research hub where minds meet and solve problems. a space program that imports expensive technology is a waste but one that builds its own should be funded. @Mukiri, a gava should be able to skate stairs and chew gum at the same time.
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Mukiri
#84 Posted : Wednesday, November 06, 2013 9:42:33 PM
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masukuma wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
In short, you want Africa to become America or Europe

no... I want africa to be a better Africa. Africa will never be any of those places you are talking about? We took on the white man's education did we become Europe? no we became a better Africa! we took on the White man's Medicine did we become Europe? We have adapted his computing.... have we become Europe? We are all about being a better Africa. A better land for our children.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't a better Africa 'for our children' one where their basic necessities are guaranteed? Food, Cloth and shelter? One where they get a decent education and thereafter opportunities to ply their trades? Where they have access to clean water and good healthy food? One where they are safe and free from corruption and can enjoy a quality life?

Ama what exactly does 'A better Africa mean'? One full of rockets and satellites?

yani better is subsistence to you? what you describe is exactly what I went through (I appreciate that not everyone did that but most of the people here had food, clothing, shelter, went to fairly good schools and got an opportunity to ply my trade as soon as i cleared school). i had access to clean water and good healthy food. ION those things should be provided by parents. a society that is better is a society where gava does things that individuals cannot do... build roads, do proper research e.t.c. a space program should be in my mind what iHub is to technology... a research hub where minds meet and solve problems. a space program that imports expensive technology is a waste but one that builds its own should be funded. @Mukiri, a gava should be able to skate stairs and chew gum at the same time.

Yenyewe this one we'll just agree to dis-agree.

You see, you are in the 1/3 bracket(had you been in India). Picture a 2/3 poor. So poor that what to you is brushed aside as subsistence, to them it's a dream, a mirage that can only be attainable with some help... help from where? ... Fill in the gaps.

Yes, Gava collectively does what no single man can do eg roads, elec, sanitation, research... but those things serve to enhance basic needs ie By use of the roads food can get to the market, kids can go to schools etc You tell 2/3 % of the population, that is church mouse poor, that you took a rocket somewhere, for them!

Proverbs 19:21
masukuma
#85 Posted : Wednesday, November 06, 2013 9:55:31 PM
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Mukiri wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
In short, you want Africa to become America or Europe

no... I want africa to be a better Africa. Africa will never be any of those places you are talking about? We took on the white man's education did we become Europe? no we became a better Africa! we took on the White man's Medicine did we become Europe? We have adapted his computing.... have we become Europe? We are all about being a better Africa. A better land for our children.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't a better Africa 'for our children' one where their basic necessities are guaranteed? Food, Cloth and shelter? One where they get a decent education and thereafter opportunities to ply their trades? Where they have access to clean water and good healthy food? One where they are safe and free from corruption and can enjoy a quality life?

Ama what exactly does 'A better Africa mean'? One full of rockets and satellites?

yani better is subsistence to you? what you describe is exactly what I went through (I appreciate that not everyone did that but most of the people here had food, clothing, shelter, went to fairly good schools and got an opportunity to ply my trade as soon as i cleared school). i had access to clean water and good healthy food. ION those things should be provided by parents. a society that is better is a society where gava does things that individuals cannot do... build roads, do proper research e.t.c. a space program should be in my mind what iHub is to technology... a research hub where minds meet and solve problems. a space program that imports expensive technology is a waste but one that builds its own should be funded. @Mukiri, a gava should be able to skate stairs and chew gum at the same time.

Yenyewe this one we'll just agree to dis-agree.

You see, you are in the 1/3 bracket(had you been in India). Picture a 2/3 poor. So poor that what to you is brushed aside as subsistence, to the is a dream, a mirage that can only be attainable with some help... help from where? ... Fill in the gaps.

Yes, Gava collectively does what no single man can do eg roads, elec, sanitation, research... but those things serve to enhance basic needs ie By use of the roads food can get to the market, kids can go to schools etc You tell 2/3 % of the population that you took a rocket somewhere, for them!

the problem is that you see a space program as only being the sending of rockets into space. Read my prior comment on the benefits of a space program. No one has commented on those benefits instead people focus on a "rocket" that is worth 6 billion (2/3 the cost of the BVR devices we imported). the space program in India's case is a billion dollar project a year. hiring lots of scientists to do what they do best - solve problems. the current setup in our country is that our scientists are either teaching in university or working in banks!!
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Lolest!
#86 Posted : Thursday, November 07, 2013 5:16:12 AM
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masukuma wrote:
perhaps the clarification that needs to be done is that mali ya umma is not mali ya maskini. public resources don't belong to the poor! public resources are supposed to assist us do stuff that we cannot do individually!

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murchr
#87 Posted : Wednesday, November 20, 2013 6:58:02 AM
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India test fires advanced version of BrahMos missile
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masukuma
#88 Posted : Wednesday, November 20, 2013 8:51:30 AM
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tuendelee kujifeed. heck lets turn all our advanced degrees into agricultural degrees.
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Tokyo
#89 Posted : Wednesday, November 20, 2013 9:41:55 AM
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masukuma wrote:

tuendelee kujifeed. heck lets turn all our advanced degrees into agricultural degrees.


They can't even design a simple farming wheelbarrow. Only bragging the empty titles
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masukuma
#90 Posted : Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:43:22 PM
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as you guys put all your effort in trying to figure out how to ensure that seeds thrown in dirt germinate successfully as it has happened for eons in this planet. Mangalyaan is now heading to Mars
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