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Mavuno - Whats up?
Lolest!
#81 Posted : Monday, February 24, 2014 7:31:57 AM
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captain kirk wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
oi oi oi...didn't know the comments I saw on social media jana were about mavuno. I thought it was all about that Americann church. Whatever the content of the sermon, the pic is wrong! Are we later going to turn our churches to strip clubs to get attention from sinners? This has crossed the line!!

Which American church?

The naked worshippers!
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
quicksand
#82 Posted : Monday, February 24, 2014 7:35:00 AM
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tycho wrote:
I don't think that this poster warrants the negative reactions and condemnation given so far. If anything, I think it's an application of what advertisers are taught to use to get customers. For example, a similar poster could be used to 'lure' youngsters to cigarette smoking or some other lifestyle product like alcohol. So why shouldn't Mavuno compete with these 'well advertised' products?

The evil some of us are seeing is basically the evil in our hearts.


At least with these other fellows after customers, we know their end is profits. Why is Mavuno competing with worldly products in the first place? Subliminal messages are dangerous; The poster surreptitiously fuses messages from the world of erotica and hip-hop. These are not models of morality. How able are they to look people in the eye and tell them -fornicating is a sin. How can they ask the youth not to fall into this trap when the poster pinned to the door says otherwise?
tycho
#83 Posted : Monday, February 24, 2014 10:00:13 AM
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quicksand wrote:
tycho wrote:
I don't think that this poster warrants the negative reactions and condemnation given so far. If anything, I think it's an application of what advertisers are taught to use to get customers. For example, a similar poster could be used to 'lure' youngsters to cigarette smoking or some other lifestyle product like alcohol. So why shouldn't Mavuno compete with these 'well advertised' products?

The evil some of us are seeing is basically the evil in our hearts.


At least with these other fellows after customers, we know their end is profits. Why is Mavuno competing with worldly products in the first place? Subliminal messages are dangerous; The poster surreptitiously fuses messages from the world of erotica and hip-hop. These are not models of morality. How able are they to look people in the eye and tell them -fornicating is a sin. How can they ask the youth not to fall into this trap when the poster pinned to the door says otherwise?


While these 'other fellows' may explicitly state that they are after profits, it's not difficult see, hear, and feel how this pursuit depends on capturing the mind and souls to succeed. And this capturing involves subliminal messages that are tailored to fit.

Electricity is dangerous; but is useful. And what else? If you know how to handle it you can enjoy much comfort. The same with subliminal messages. For example, do you think Man could exist without subliminal communication?

Hip hop is about morality. It's an evaluation of life, and a prescription for what the good life is. Isn't the Church or any other traditional institution competing against hip hop morality? How can Christ speak to the young person riding on hip hop morality? Christ must be in the hip hop.

Why is it that most people claim to know what Christ would do when they dare not be Christ himself?





tycho
#84 Posted : Monday, February 24, 2014 10:05:32 AM
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Lolest! wrote:
tycho wrote:
I don't think that this poster warrants the negative reactions and condemnation given so far. If anything, I think it's an application of what advertisers are taught to use to get customers. For example, a similar poster could be used to 'lure' youngsters to cigarette smoking or some other lifestyle product like alcohol. So why shouldn't Mavuno compete with these 'well advertised' products?

The evil some of us are seeing is basically the evil in our hearts.

If Pwani Oil and Vaseline ads received criticism, how much more this one?


Criticism is good. It's an attempt at understanding. Problems arise when we lack optimal tools of understanding.
washiku
#85 Posted : Monday, February 24, 2014 11:44:55 AM
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Mtu Biz
#86 Posted : Monday, February 24, 2014 11:53:58 AM
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I have no problem with people propagating whatever in whichever way they wish.

BUT

If you are going to call what you are doing preaching THE Gospel or Teaching and Instructing in righteousness with the bible as the basis then you have to conform to scripture.

Why don't people just go ahead and start a 'positive thinking your best life now' religion like Oprah, they can call it MAVUNINSANITY or whatever and have akina Oprah, Joel Osteen , Deepak Chopra and others of this genres content as their scriptures... they can then hypnotize and high five themselves in their seminars and conferences till they are blue in the face.... they can compete with akina tahiti and apple bees in their posters to capture their target audience and stay 'relevant'.

Why drag the bible and Jesus the Christ into all this?

A teen in 2014 looking for truth is under no illusions about sex physically but is probably lost with regard to sex in its proper context.

So you fill a Church with teens drawn by a sexually suggestive poster to then lead them to the way of truth?

How?

The very nature of the Gospel goes contrary to the flesh in every way.. how then can you use devices of the flesh to lead anyone to the truth of the Gospel?

There is no precedent to this in all of scripture nor is it there in church history.

Consider this text,

2nd Peter 2
Peter talking about false teachers

Quote:
17 These people are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them. 18 For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of the flesh, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error. 19 They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity—for “people are slaves to whatever has mastered them.” 20 If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. 21 It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them.






Sola Scriptura


Magigi
#87 Posted : Monday, February 24, 2014 12:08:45 PM
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2012
#88 Posted : Monday, February 24, 2014 12:11:27 PM
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Sisemi kitu.

BBI will solve it
:)
kollabo
#89 Posted : Monday, February 24, 2014 12:14:22 PM
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Only time will tell as to the fruitfulness what Mavuno is indulging in right now.
Mtu Biz
#90 Posted : Monday, February 24, 2014 12:24:53 PM
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kollabo wrote:
Only time will tell as to the fruitfulness what Mavuno is indulging in right now.



Time?

My friend, the only yardstick available to the slave of Christ with regard to what is Good and what is evil is the Bible.

The question to ask is What does the bible say? and answer that questing with due regard to scriptural context.

How i wonder will you measure the 'fruitfulness' of this ?

Is it...

The growth number of teens attending for example?

SMH!

By the Time Jesus the Christ Died he had 72 plus the 12 who could be identifiable as his disciples.

What happened to the 5000 he fed, and the other 3000 ? and the thousands upon thousands of people who would follow him around everywhere ?

Let me pause there...




Sola Scriptura


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