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Capital gains tax??
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#81 Posted : Wednesday, June 19, 2013 3:45:40 PM
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mibbz wrote:
maka wrote:
symbols wrote:
hisah wrote:
[quote=mibbz]Just seen on NTV at 1 news that government puts implementation of capital gains tax on hold....seems GoK actually has advisers in touch with reality,perhaps a few roaming these blogs.Hope this leads to improvement in market numbers


http://www.businessdaily...-/107r7tiz/-/index.html


Tax wasn't the issue,funding was.This talk of more debt isn't encouraging.Either way we still pay.

If they shelf it...they should also forget taxing essentials...


@maka essentials shall be taxed,just read the last few paragraphs of the article.think treasury is evolving and implementation of new tax is sort of changing from traditional june-july to a dec-jan-feb period;6 months after reading of budget. look at taxation of beer which was quietly revised upwards this year around feb,not many people noticed that.


Interesting.

@maka - I'm not liking these mixed signals they're sending.
mwekez@ji
#82 Posted : Wednesday, June 19, 2013 4:59:59 PM
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mkonomtupu wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
King G wrote:


Got shocked when i read that too ... investors from the 1980s should share their experience


@mwekez@aji for your benefits the CGT in full for shares

PART II - ACCRUAL AND COMPUTATION OF GAINS FROM
INVESTMENT SHARES

14. Interpretation
In this Part of this Schedule -

"adjusted cost" means -

(a) in the case of investment shares acquired before 13th June.1975, the market price at which the shares could have been purchased in a transaction between an independent willing buyer and an independent willing seller on the Nairobi Stock Exchange immediately prior to the close of business on 12th June, 1975; but if the transferor of the investment shares can prove to the satisfaction of the Commissioner that he actually paid more for the shares than that market price, the actual cost to the transferor of the shares may be substituted for that market price; and

(b) in the case of investment shares acquired on or after 13th June, 1975, the amount or value of the consideration for the acquisition of the shares;
"consideration" means consideration in money or money's worth;
"investment shares" means shares of companies, municipal or Government authorities or a body created by those authorities, that are listed and traded on the Nairobi Stock Exchange;

"transfer value" means the amount of value of the consideration for the transfer of investment shares (less any amount which would be deductible under paragraph 10 of Part I of this Schedule if the gains were being computed under that Part).

15. Computation of gains.
The gain subject to tax under this Part is the amount by which the transfer value of investment shares transferred by a person who is an individual exceeds the adjusted cost of those shares.

16. Deduction of tax.
The gain ascertained under paragraph 15 is subject to a deduction of income tax at the rate of seven and a half per cent of that gain.

16A. Set-off of tax.
Where in computing the gain accruing to a person on the transfer of investment shares, it is found that the adjusted cost of the shares exceeds the transfer value of those shares the amount of the excess is the loss realized by the person on the transfer of the investment shares.

17. Remittance of tax.
The provisions of section 39 apply to tax deducted under paragraph 16.

18. Transfer of investment shares by a stockbroker.
A stockbroker who conducts the transfer of investment shares on behalf of a transferor shall collect and remit tax to the Commissioner in accordance with section 35 (5).

19. Failure to collect and remit.
The remittance of money by a stockbroker under paragraph 18 shall be a full and final discharge to the stockbroker as against all persons from liability in respect of that money.

20. Liability for failure to remit taxes by a stockbroker.
A stockbroker who fails to collect and remit as required under paragraph 18, the amount of income tax out of the proceeds (over which he has control) accruing as a result of the transfer of investment shares is jointly and severally liable with the transferor of the shares for payment of the tax.

21. Exemption.
(1) Where the transferor of investment shares is an unincorporated association or body of individuals of a public character which has been exempted from income tax under paragraph 10 of the First Schedule no deduction of income tax shall be made under thisPart of this Schedule.

(2) Gains from a transfer of investment shares for or in connexion with a pension fund, trust scheme, or provident fund registered with the Commissioner shall not be subject to deduction of income tax under this Part of this Schedule


muchas gracias @mkonomtupu . That clarifies, CgT was 7.5% of capital gain
maka
#83 Posted : Wednesday, June 19, 2013 5:11:16 PM
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symbols wrote:
mibbz wrote:
maka wrote:
symbols wrote:
hisah wrote:
[quote=mibbz]Just seen on NTV at 1 news that government puts implementation of capital gains tax on hold....seems GoK actually has advisers in touch with reality,perhaps a few roaming these blogs.Hope this leads to improvement in market numbers


http://www.businessdaily...-/107r7tiz/-/index.html


Tax wasn't the issue,funding was.This talk of more debt isn't encouraging.Either way we still pay.

If they shelf it...they should also forget taxing essentials...


@maka essentials shall be taxed,just read the last few paragraphs of the article.think treasury is evolving and implementation of new tax is sort of changing from traditional june-july to a dec-jan-feb period;6 months after reading of budget. look at taxation of beer which was quietly revised upwards this year around feb,not many people noticed that.


Interesting.

@maka - I'm not liking these mixed signals they're sending.

If its applied then it should be on a tiered basis not a blanket % on all individuals...and they should focus more on the fixed income market hizo abnormal gains ziwe taxed kabisa....
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#84 Posted : Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:03:34 PM
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The Capital Gains is not being implemented at least for the next 6 months. They claim they aren't raising the cash to fund the budget that is why there is the delay but the truth is that they haven't set the percentage nor the areas(capital gained) to be taxed.
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#85 Posted : Wednesday, June 19, 2013 11:49:43 PM
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GOK testing the watersd'oh!
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#86 Posted : Thursday, June 20, 2013 9:04:36 AM
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symbols wrote:
GOK testing the watersd'oh!


... or its calming down peoples nerves before it strikes Think
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#87 Posted : Monday, June 24, 2013 2:17:16 PM
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#88 Posted : Monday, June 24, 2013 3:42:56 PM
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Actis boss is right. Capital Gains tax is important to the economy. My wish is that Kenya can copy n paste South Africa capital gains taxation method here. There is a very thin line between land/real estate economics and fiscal/monetary economics. Once kenya learns to balance these two, the economy will fly. At the moment, there is huge tax evasion and the best way to ensure tax collection is on immovable real estate and land. This will also keep inflation low, and reduce the 20 to 30% annual land appreciation , making land cheaper and more easily acquired for real estate developments, industry and farming.
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mukiha
#89 Posted : Monday, June 24, 2013 4:40:52 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
Why would anyone assume the hustlers me and you in the market are wealthy pple?we are poor hard working small men.


Tax is charged on ALL people who have an income - rich or poor. Then everybody gets a 13k rebate per year just to exclude the "lower-income" earners.

So, if your income yields a tax higher than the 13k pa, you must pay the difference.

This notion that tax should only be paid by the rich and wealthy is a retrogressive fallacy! Is a P1 teacher rich/wealthy?

BTW: if you own shares, no matter how many, you are wealthy in my book!
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
mlennyma
#90 Posted : Monday, June 24, 2013 4:44:57 PM
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I hear you,but over taxing and kenya are synonames.
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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