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Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:@muriel, Allah says in Quran 2:146 "those to whom WE gave the Scriptures - the Jews n the Christians - recognize Muhammad as they recognize their own sons. But some of them conceal the truth while they know it."
How True! Both Christian Scholars recognized the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) instantly at their first meeting with him as if they had known him for years and both predicted events in his life which would take place in the future.
This means that they were basing their predictions on prophecies in their books. What were these prophecies? Yes, stick to the Qur'an, you might fare better. Humour me. When Islam was spreading in the initial centuries, some environmentist muslim told his fighters to hurt not the trees or cattle (I forget the exact words) and to kill only what was to be eaten. Do you remember? Stop being "jumpy as a fart in a skillet!". One things at a time, we are now talking about his authenticity first, we will go to what he did next if you want.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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@muriel, let me show you the prophecies.
1. Isaiah 29:11 says: "read this I pray you. And he says: I cannot, for it is SEALED."
Quran is a book that is sealed. The first verses to be revealed are part of ch 96 verses 1-5. And the last verses to be revealed are part of ch 5 verse 3 "This day, those who disbelieved have given up all hope of your religion, so fear them not, but fear Me. This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion."
Had the Quran not been a SEALED BOOK, then the first verse would have been chap 1 v 1-5, and the last
Verse would have been ch 114.
Conclusion: QURAN is the book talked about in Isaiah 29.11 of the bible.
Isaiah 29.12: and the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying: "read this, I pray you. And he says: I am not learned (I cannot read)"
2. Coming... after you are satisfied with no.1 above
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AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:@muriel, Allah says in Quran 2:146 "those to whom WE gave the Scriptures - the Jews n the Christians - recognize Muhammad as they recognize their own sons. But some of them conceal the truth while they know it."
How True! Both Christian Scholars recognized the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) instantly at their first meeting with him as if they had known him for years and both predicted events in his life which would take place in the future.
This means that they were basing their predictions on prophecies in their books. What were these prophecies? Yes, stick to the Qur'an, you might fare better. Humour me. When Islam was spreading in the initial centuries, some environmentist muslim told his fighters to hurt not the trees or cattle (I forget the exact words) and to kill only what was to be eaten. Do you remember? Stop being "jumpy as a fart in a skillet!". One things at a time, we are now talking about his authenticity first, we will go to what he did next if you want. What!!!!! You called me what??!!! Laugh Laugh Laugh You mean fat in a skillet? I'm that jumpy? I can chew gum and walk at the same time. Can you? Did I start my story waaaaaay back for you? I see nothing more to discuss about the phantom having dismissed him earlier. Judas is more credible than him.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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AlphDoti wrote:@muriel, let me show you the prophecies.
1. Isaiah 29:11 says: "read this I pray you. And he says: I cannot, for it is SEALED."
Quran is a book that is sealed. The first verses to be revealed are part of ch 96 verses 1-5. And the last verses to be revealed are part of ch 5 verse 3 "This day, those who disbelieved have given up all hope of your religion, so fear them not, but fear Me. This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion."
Had the Quran not been a SEALED BOOK, then the first verse would have been chap 1 v 1-5, and the last
Verse would have been ch 114.
Conclusion: QURAN is the book talked about in Isaiah 29.11 of the bible.
Isaiah 29.12: and the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying: "read this, I pray you. And he says: I am not learned (I cannot read)"
2. Coming... after you are satisfied with no.1 above Oh man! I cannot plumb the depths of this logic. It's too deep for me. 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:@muriel, Allah says in Quran 2:146 "those to whom WE gave the Scriptures - the Jews n the Christians - recognize Muhammad as they recognize their own sons. But some of them conceal the truth while they know it."
How True! Both Christian Scholars recognized the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) instantly at their first meeting with him as if they had known him for years and both predicted events in his life which would take place in the future.
This means that they were basing their predictions on prophecies in their books. What were these prophecies? Yes, stick to the Qur'an, you might fare better. Humour me. When Islam was spreading in the initial centuries, some environmentist muslim told his fighters to hurt not the trees or cattle (I forget the exact words) and to kill only what was to be eaten. Do you remember? Stop being "jumpy as a fart in a skillet!". One things at a time, we are now talking about his authenticity first, we will go to what he did next if you want. What!!!!! You called me what??!!! Laugh Laugh Laugh You mean fat in a skillet? I'm that jumpy? I can chew gum and walk at the same time. Can you? Did I start my story waaaaaay back for you? I see nothing more to discuss about the phantom having dismissed him earlier. Judas is more credible than him. @muriel, I'm sorry about using that "saying". It was meant for humour only. I guess my sense of humour was so down. I'm sorry, I didn't call you that!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:@muriel, let me show you the prophecies.
1. Isaiah 29:11 says: "read this I pray you. And he says: I cannot, for it is SEALED."
Quran is a book that is sealed. The first verses to be revealed are part of ch 96 verses 1-5. And the last verses to be revealed are part of ch 5 verse 3 "This day, those who disbelieved have given up all hope of your religion, so fear them not, but fear Me. This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion."
Had the Quran not been a SEALED BOOK, then the first verse would have been chap 1 v 1-5, and the last
Verse would have been ch 114.
Conclusion: QURAN is the book talked about in Isaiah 29.11 of the bible.
Isaiah 29.12: and the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying: "read this, I pray you. And he says: I am not learned (I cannot read)"
2. Coming... after you are satisfied with no.1 above Oh man! I cannot plumb the depths of this logic. It's too deep for me. @muriel, allow me to show you further. So that you know we believe in the earlier scriptures too! The Prophet who could not read or write is the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). as indicated in the story. SO Isaiah 29:12 above is completely fulfilled in the coming of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). 2. Isaiah 28:11 says " ..with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people." As you can see from the story the prophet was trembling after the encounter so obviously he would be stammering too until he calmed down. And " in another tongue" means Arabic.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:@muriel, let me show you the prophecies.
1. Isaiah 29:11 says: "read this I pray you. And he says: I cannot, for it is SEALED."
Quran is a book that is sealed. The first verses to be revealed are part of ch 96 verses 1-5. And the last verses to be revealed are part of ch 5 verse 3 "This day, those who disbelieved have given up all hope of your religion, so fear them not, but fear Me. This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion."
Had the Quran not been a SEALED BOOK, then the first verse would have been chap 1 v 1-5, and the last
Verse would have been ch 114.
Conclusion: QURAN is the book talked about in Isaiah 29.11 of the bible.
Isaiah 29.12: and the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying: "read this, I pray you. And he says: I am not learned (I cannot read)"
2. Coming... after you are satisfied with no.1 above Oh man! I cannot plumb the depths of this logic. It's too deep for me. @muriel, allow me to show you further. So that you know we believe in the earlier scriptures too! The Prophet who could not read or write is the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). as indicated in the story. SO Isaiah 29:12 above is completely fulfilled in the coming of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). 2. Isaiah 28:11 says " ..with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people." As you can see from the story the prophet was trembling after the encounter so obviously he would be stammering too until he calmed down. And " in another tongue" means Arabic. Woe! Woe is me! There were yet deeper depths? Further disconnect from reason and logic? Because if Isaiah is correct, and was spot-on, and you have quoted him twice showing great confidence in what he says, then it means also that Isaiah 53 is correct. All of it. Someone did indeed bear someone's else griefs, sorrows and transgressions and iniquities. God put the iniquity of people on someone who was oppressed and killed like a lamb. So please tell me Isaiah was wrong. 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:@muriel, let me show you the prophecies.
1. Isaiah 29:11 says: "read this I pray you. And he says: I cannot, for it is SEALED."
Quran is a book that is sealed. The first verses to be revealed are part of ch 96 verses 1-5. And the last verses to be revealed are part of ch 5 verse 3 "This day, those who disbelieved have given up all hope of your religion, so fear them not, but fear Me. This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion."
Had the Quran not been a SEALED BOOK, then the first verse would have been chap 1 v 1-5, and the last
Verse would have been ch 114.
Conclusion: QURAN is the book talked about in Isaiah 29.11 of the bible.
Isaiah 29.12: and the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying: "read this, I pray you. And he says: I am not learned (I cannot read)"
2. Coming... after you are satisfied with no.1 above Oh man! I cannot plumb the depths of this logic. It's too deep for me. @muriel, allow me to show you further. So that you know we believe in the earlier scriptures too! The Prophet who could not read or write is the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). as indicated in the story. SO Isaiah 29:12 above is completely fulfilled in the coming of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). 2. Isaiah 28:11 says " ..with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people." As you can see from the story the prophet was trembling after the encounter so obviously he would be stammering too until he calmed down. And " in another tongue" means Arabic. Woe! Woe is me! There were yet deeper depths? Further disconnect from reason and logic? Because if Isaiah is correct, and was spot-on, and you have quoted him twice showing great confidence in what he says, then it means also that Isaiah 53 is correct. All of it. Someone did indeed bear someone's else griefs, sorrows and transgressions and iniquities. God put the iniquity of people on someone who was oppressed and killed like a lamb. So please tell me Isaiah was wrong. Again, you're jumpy! Can't you stick here for a while, until we conclude the prophecy of THE PROPHET?
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:@muriel, let me show you the prophecies.
1. Isaiah 29:11 says: "read this I pray you. And he says: I cannot, for it is SEALED."
Quran is a book that is sealed. The first verses to be revealed are part of ch 96 verses 1-5. And the last verses to be revealed are part of ch 5 verse 3 "This day, those who disbelieved have given up all hope of your religion, so fear them not, but fear Me. This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion."
Had the Quran not been a SEALED BOOK, then the first verse would have been chap 1 v 1-5, and the last
Verse would have been ch 114.
Conclusion: QURAN is the book talked about in Isaiah 29.11 of the bible.
Isaiah 29.12: and the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying: "read this, I pray you. And he says: I am not learned (I cannot read)"
2. Coming... after you are satisfied with no.1 above Oh man! I cannot plumb the depths of this logic. It's too deep for me. @muriel, allow me to show you further. So that you know we believe in the earlier scriptures too! The Prophet who could not read or write is the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). as indicated in the story. SO Isaiah 29:12 above is completely fulfilled in the coming of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). 2. Isaiah 28:11 says " ..with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people." As you can see from the story the prophet was trembling after the encounter so obviously he would be stammering too until he calmed down. And " in another tongue" means Arabic. Woe! Woe is me! There were yet deeper depths? Further disconnect from reason and logic? Because if Isaiah is correct, and was spot-on, and you have quoted him twice showing great confidence in what he says, then it means also that Isaiah 53 is correct. All of it. Someone did indeed bear someone's else griefs, sorrows and transgressions and iniquities. God put the iniquity of people on someone who was oppressed and killed like a lamb. So please tell me Isaiah was wrong. Again, you're jumpy! Can't you stick here for a while, until we conclude the prophecy of THE PROPHET? Either Isaiah is a credible prophet or he is not. Either he is saying the truth or he is lying. What will it be?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:@muriel, let me show you the prophecies.
1. Isaiah 29:11 says: "read this I pray you. And he says: I cannot, for it is SEALED."
Quran is a book that is sealed. The first verses to be revealed are part of ch 96 verses 1-5. And the last verses to be revealed are part of ch 5 verse 3 "This day, those who disbelieved have given up all hope of your religion, so fear them not, but fear Me. This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion."
Had the Quran not been a SEALED BOOK, then the first verse would have been chap 1 v 1-5, and the last
Verse would have been ch 114.
Conclusion: QURAN is the book talked about in Isaiah 29.11 of the bible.
Isaiah 29.12: and the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying: "read this, I pray you. And he says: I am not learned (I cannot read)"
2. Coming... after you are satisfied with no.1 above Oh man! I cannot plumb the depths of this logic. It's too deep for me. @muriel, allow me to show you further. So that you know we believe in the earlier scriptures too! The Prophet who could not read or write is the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). as indicated in the story. SO Isaiah 29:12 above is completely fulfilled in the coming of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). 2. Isaiah 28:11 says " ..with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people." As you can see from the story the prophet was trembling after the encounter so obviously he would be stammering too until he calmed down. And " in another tongue" means Arabic. Woe! Woe is me! There were yet deeper depths? Further disconnect from reason and logic? Because if Isaiah is correct, and was spot-on, and you have quoted him twice showing great confidence in what he says, then it means also that Isaiah 53 is correct. All of it. Someone did indeed bear someone's else griefs, sorrows and transgressions and iniquities. God put the iniquity of people on someone who was oppressed and killed like a lamb. So please tell me Isaiah was wrong. Again, you're jumpy! Can't you stick here for a while, until we conclude the prophecy of THE PROPHET? Either Isaiah is a credible prophet or he is not. Either he is saying the truth or he is lying. What will it be? Now you're digressing. That's not a contention now. You can keep that as issue to be handled after the one above. Right now, let us finish "whether Prophet Muhammad pbuh is credible or not". Then we come to others. There are so many prophets my friend.
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