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tycho wrote:digitek1 wrote:nobility implies that there are others who are serfs, nobility is is for the few. We cant all be kings.Even in Gods kingdom there is hierarchy.
I never claimed to be a mangod, you did. God is ultimately the ulitimate. we can be like him ..its an evolutionary process..but we cannnot be him at the same time and be man. His spirit can dwell in us as but we cannot be man and God at the same time . it has been tried many times since babel
Digitek, are you implying that words have fixed meaning? Or that ideas about heaven don't evolve? That is, humans do not change their understanding, even of a paragraph in a book? You seem to operate from such a mind! And then I am surprised that all of a sudden that Man and God cannot be in identity now. First, this is contrary to most Scripture, except perhaps of religious atheism! So, if you are relying on tradition for your argument, which is it? Ask yourself, if there's going to be a hierarchy in heaven, does it mean that there's also punishment in heaven? Will there be envy? Your ideas on hierarchy imply such a belief! Otherwise if the hierarchy exists without comparing oneself to the other, then there's no hierarchy! So, what happened in Babel? And what is the ultimate message of theistic belief? while I sort of understand most of your views our point of departure is man=God. for me God>>>man. I may be wrong..but then I could be right
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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digitek1 wrote:tycho wrote:digitek1 wrote:nobility implies that there are others who are serfs, nobility is is for the few. We cant all be kings.Even in Gods kingdom there is hierarchy.
I never claimed to be a mangod, you did. God is ultimately the ulitimate. we can be like him ..its an evolutionary process..but we cannnot be him at the same time and be man. His spirit can dwell in us as but we cannot be man and God at the same time . it has been tried many times since babel
Digitek, are you implying that words have fixed meaning? Or that ideas about heaven don't evolve? That is, humans do not change their understanding, even of a paragraph in a book? You seem to operate from such a mind! And then I am surprised that all of a sudden that Man and God cannot be in identity now. First, this is contrary to most Scripture, except perhaps of religious atheism! So, if you are relying on tradition for your argument, which is it? Ask yourself, if there's going to be a hierarchy in heaven, does it mean that there's also punishment in heaven? Will there be envy? Your ideas on hierarchy imply such a belief! Otherwise if the hierarchy exists without comparing oneself to the other, then there's no hierarchy! So, what happened in Babel? And what is the ultimate message of theistic belief? while I sort of understand most of your views our point of departure is man=God. for me God>>>man. It's about being God-like not being God. Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/3/2010 Posts: 1,797 Location: Kenya
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mangod-let my will be done Godlike man aka immanuel-let your will be done I may be wrong..but then I could be right
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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Am I missing something.God is good.If you don't wish to be like God who do you want to be like? Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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@Digitek, the statements God = Man, and God > Man, are actually two 'eigenstates' of being through spacetime.
And, is a. result of Man and God being at disparity because of unconsciesness of God.
But because God is ultimate being, and Creator of all things; everything is attracted to Him. Even Man is attracted to Him.
That is when God > Man reigns in Man's consciousness.
But because of the laws of attraction, and Self discovery (grace), Man comes to full realization of his Self, and reigns with ultimate being in perfect harmony.
If, God = Man, were not true in spacetime, there'd be 'nothingness'.
That is, God > Man, would never be. There'd 'be' no consciousness.
This is why Man is the perceptual center of the Universe.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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digitek1 wrote:mangod-let my will be done
Godlike man aka immanuel-let your will be done Makes me think of the formation of the ego, and its structure. It is essential.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/27/2011 Posts: 1,777
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tycho wrote:@Digitek, the statements God = Man, and God > Man, are actually two 'eigenstates' of being through spacetime.
And, is a. result of Man and God being at disparity because of unconsciesness of God.
But because God is ultimate being, and Creator of all things; everything is attracted to Him. Even Man is attracted to Him.
That is when God > Man reigns in Man's consciousness.
But because of the laws of attraction, and Self discovery (grace), Man comes to full realization of his Self, and reigns with ultimate being in perfect harmony.
If, God = Man, were not true in spacetime, there'd be 'nothingness'.
That is, God > Man, would never be. There'd 'be' no consciousness.
This is why Man is the perceptual center of the Universe. HELP A BROTHER OUT(ME)- Please explain in layman's language.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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@Josiah, for something to be, it must have boundary conditions. Like a cup, occupies a portion of spacetime.
Now God > Man, and God = Man, are the two limits of 'human being'.
The limits themselves are limited to equilibrium conditions.
That is, if there existed only one limit, there'd be 'no being'.
And neither would Man > God, obey equilibrium conditions. Why? It would mean God doesn't exist. And there'd be 'no being'.
Equilibrium, being, can only occur when the upper limit is, God = Man.
And this is why Man is the center of the universe.
And these are the boundaries of the universe.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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tycho wrote:@Josiah, for something to be, it must have boundary conditions. Like a cup, occupies a portion of spacetime.
Now God > Man, and God = Man, are the two limits of 'human being'.
The limits themselves are limited to equilibrium conditions.
That is, if there existed only one limit, there'd be 'no being'.
And neither would Man > God, obey equilibrium conditions. Why? It would mean God doesn't exist. And there'd be 'no being'.
Equilibrium, being, can only occur when the upper limit is, God = Man.
And this is why Man is the center of the universe.
And these are the boundaries of the universe. I have never thought of it like that.That's a beautiful equation. Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/3/2010 Posts: 1,797 Location: Kenya
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tycho wrote:@Josiah, for something to be, it must have boundary conditions. Like a cup, occupies a portion of spacetime.
Now God > Man, and God = Man, are the two limits of 'human being'.
The limits themselves are limited to equilibrium conditions.
That is, if there existed only one limit, there'd be 'no being'.
And neither would Man > God, obey equilibrium conditions. Why? It would mean God doesn't exist. And there'd be 'no being'.
Equilibrium, being, can only occur when the upper limit is, God = Man.
And this is why Man is the center of the universe.
And these are the boundaries of the universe. Few queries What is this universe, is it also = or > god. This also applies to the law of attraction where we are told- to trust the universe Are there other beings in between man and God and what is their status given now that man=god Where do aliens lie in the man=god continuum As was asked before what lies beyond the universe ie the boundaries of the cup I may be wrong..but then I could be right
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