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obiero		#8971 Posted : Friday, November 17, 2017 11:00:42 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,216 Location: nairobi		ProverB wrote: Oyaa!!! Hold up a minute. Total issued shares have jumped from 1.5billion to 30billion just like that and a bulk of that (to the banking company) is up for sale at market price should they opt to trade (core business of banks is not investing in stocks).. Then, if you have 10,000 KQ shares, and do not wish to dilute your holding, they've offered you 40k new shares at sh1.80 but you need to buy close to an extra 130k shares, at market price (after 29th Nov) just to hold on to your proportion holding you had prior to restructuring? #CrapStock Propaganda hio. We don't require the proportional holding but simply a rapid rise in the share price. I'm quite happy with reduced number of shares but with a higher price KQ ABP 4.26
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ProverB		#8972 Posted : Friday, November 17, 2017 11:13:47 AM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/12/2010 Posts: 1,199 Location: Eastlander		obiero wrote: ProverB wrote: Oyaa!!! Hold up a minute. Total issued shares have jumped from 1.5billion to 30billion just like that and a bulk of that (to the banking company) is up for sale at market price should they opt to trade (core business of banks is not investing in stocks).. Then, if you have 10,000 KQ shares, and do not wish to dilute your holding, they've offered you 40k new shares at sh1.80 but you need to buy close to an extra 130k shares, at market price (after 29th Nov) just to hold on to your proportion holding you had prior to restructuring? #CrapStock Propaganda hio. We don't require the proportional holding but simply a rapid rise in the share price. I'm quite happy with reduced number of shares but with a higher price So one share out of 30billion is more valuable than 1 share out of 1.5billion? Nice logic. What's the Net Asset Value with the restructuring? ..Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven...Matt5:16 - 1769 Oxford King James Bible 'Authorized Version
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ProverB		#8973 Posted : Friday, November 17, 2017 11:48:05 AM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/12/2010 Posts: 1,199 Location: Eastlander		A dilution close to 20times what one holds.. A parachute offered of 4:1 at an additional cost of 1.80 per share.. A company that is still in the red despite sigh of relief from improved margins..though revenues are flat. And we expect rapid rise in share price? 1. Irrational exuberance on part of shareholders. 2. Ukiritimba.. Whatever that means..on part of KQ. Nevertheless, carry on. KQ will be good for those who come in later to collect the pieces..but not existing shareholders. Strictly talking shares trading.. Lessons from safaricom upon listing.. Volume of shares available for trading slumped share price for a long while despite good fundamentals. Large volumes of KQ shares available as of 29th will have to be wiped out by larger buyers to ensure demand always outweighs supply for the share price to go up. Unless all existing shareholders REFUSE to sell..rise in share price ni uchawi. ..Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven...Matt5:16 - 1769 Oxford King James Bible 'Authorized Version
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obiero		#8974 Posted : Friday, November 17, 2017 2:25:02 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,216 Location: nairobi		ProverB wrote: A dilution close to 20times what one holds.. A parachute offered of 4:1 at an additional cost of 1.80 per share.. A company that is still in the red despite sigh of relief from improved margins..though revenues are flat. And we expect rapid rise in share price? 1. Irrational exuberance on part of shareholders. 2. Ukiritimba.. Whatever that means..on part of KQ. Nevertheless, carry on. KQ will be good for those who come in later to collect the pieces..but not existing shareholders. Strictly talking shares trading.. Lessons from safaricom upon listing.. Volume of shares available for trading slumped share price for a long while despite good fundamentals. Large volumes of KQ shares available as of 29th will have to be wiped out by larger buyers to ensure demand always outweighs supply for the share price to go up. Unless all existing shareholders REFUSE to sell..rise in share price ni uchawi. There should be a refusal to sell for any price below KES 21.50 per share, unless the Open Offer details are rolled out before 29.11.2017 KQ ABP 4.26
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Ericsson		#8975 Posted : Friday, November 17, 2017 2:37:37 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,804 Location: NAIROBI		obiero wrote: ProverB wrote: A dilution close to 20times what one holds.. A parachute offered of 4:1 at an additional cost of 1.80 per share.. A company that is still in the red despite sigh of relief from improved margins..though revenues are flat. And we expect rapid rise in share price? 1. Irrational exuberance on part of shareholders. 2. Ukiritimba.. Whatever that means..on part of KQ. Nevertheless, carry on. KQ will be good for those who come in later to collect the pieces..but not existing shareholders. Strictly talking shares trading.. Lessons from safaricom upon listing.. Volume of shares available for trading slumped share price for a long while despite good fundamentals. Large volumes of KQ shares available as of 29th will have to be wiped out by larger buyers to ensure demand always outweighs supply for the share price to go up. Unless all existing shareholders REFUSE to sell..rise in share price ni uchawi. There should be a refusal to sell for any price below KES 21.50 per share, unless the Open Offer details are rolled out before 29.11.2017 Open offer/rights issue for KQ probably next year. ksh.21.50 per share on 29.11.2017 ni ndoto hiyo. Are we saying that KQ will be worth more than KCB in terms of market capitalisation in the NSE. 5.822bn shares *ksh.21.5= The company is just from announcing HY loss of ksh.3.8bn after tax. 29.11.2017 my prediction is KQ will be trading at between 1.50-2.00 per share Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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obiero		#8976 Posted : Friday, November 17, 2017 3:59:45 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,216 Location: nairobi		Ericsson wrote: obiero wrote: ProverB wrote: A dilution close to 20times what one holds.. A parachute offered of 4:1 at an additional cost of 1.80 per share.. A company that is still in the red despite sigh of relief from improved margins..though revenues are flat. And we expect rapid rise in share price? 1. Irrational exuberance on part of shareholders. 2. Ukiritimba.. Whatever that means..on part of KQ. Nevertheless, carry on. KQ will be good for those who come in later to collect the pieces..but not existing shareholders. Strictly talking shares trading.. Lessons from safaricom upon listing.. Volume of shares available for trading slumped share price for a long while despite good fundamentals. Large volumes of KQ shares available as of 29th will have to be wiped out by larger buyers to ensure demand always outweighs supply for the share price to go up. Unless all existing shareholders REFUSE to sell..rise in share price ni uchawi. There should be a refusal to sell for any price below KES 21.50 per share, unless the Open Offer details are rolled out before 29.11.2017 Open offer/rights issue for KQ probably next year. ksh.21.50 per share on 29.11.2017 ni ndoto hiyo. Are we saying that KQ will be worth more than KCB in terms of market capitalisation in the NSE. 5.822bn shares *ksh.21.5= The company is just from announcing HY loss of ksh.3.8bn after tax. 29.11.2017 my prediction is KQ will be trading at between 1.50-2.00 per share That's where you go wrong, quick math will show you that the banks converted debt to equity at a given sum total based on KES 2.13 per share which was then split at a ratio of 1:4 giving rise to the new floor of KES 8.52.. It's practically impossible for any sane existing investor to trade at any sum below KES 8.52.. Am I deluded or extremely wise.. Meanwhile KQ now has the most vibrant board at the NSE http://www.businessdaily...0966-14hskl1z/index.html KQ ABP 4.26
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Ericsson		#8977 Posted : Friday, November 17, 2017 7:12:12 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,804 Location: NAIROBI		obiero wrote: Ericsson wrote: obiero wrote: [quote=ProverB]A dilution close to 20times what one holds.. A parachute offered of 4:1 at an additional cost of 1.80 per share.. A company that is still in the red despite sigh of relief from improved margins..though revenues are flat. And we expect rapid rise in share price? 1. Irrational exuberance on part of shareholders. 2. Ukiritimba.. Whatever that means..on part of KQ. Nevertheless, carry on. KQ will be good for those who come in later to collect the pieces..but not existing shareholders. Strictly talking shares trading.. Lessons from safaricom upon listing.. Volume of shares available for trading slumped share price for a long while despite good fundamentals. Large volumes of KQ shares available as of 29th will have to be wiped out by larger buyers to ensure demand always outweighs supply for the share price to go up. Unless all existing shareholders REFUSE to sell..rise in share price ni uchawi. There should be a refusal to sell for any price below KES 21.50 per share, unless the Open Offer details are rolled out before 29.11.2017 Open offer/rights issue for KQ probably next year. ksh.21.50 per share on 29.11.2017 ni ndoto hiyo. Are we saying that KQ will be worth more than KCB in terms of market capitalisation in the NSE. 5.822bn shares *ksh.21.5= The company is just from announcing HY loss of ksh.3.8bn after tax. 29.11.2017 my prediction is KQ will be trading at between 1.50-2.00 per share That's where you go wrong, quick math will show you that the banks converted debt to equity at a given sum total based on KES 2.13 per share which was then split at a ratio of 1:4 giving rise to the new floor of KES 8.52.. It's practically impossible for any sane existing investor to trade at any sum below KES 8.52.. Am I deluded or extremely wise.. The biggest lie in wazua republic.That maths doesn't fit. Meanwhile KQ now has the most vibrant board at the NSE http://www.businessdaily...966-14hskl1z/index.html[/quote] Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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obiero		#8978 Posted : Friday, November 17, 2017 7:49:50 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,216 Location: nairobi		Ericsson wrote: obiero wrote: Ericsson wrote: obiero wrote: [quote=ProverB]A dilution close to 20times what one holds.. A parachute offered of 4:1 at an additional cost of 1.80 per share.. A company that is still in the red despite sigh of relief from improved margins..though revenues are flat. And we expect rapid rise in share price? 1. Irrational exuberance on part of shareholders. 2. Ukiritimba.. Whatever that means..on part of KQ. Nevertheless, carry on. KQ will be good for those who come in later to collect the pieces..but not existing shareholders. Strictly talking shares trading.. Lessons from safaricom upon listing.. Volume of shares available for trading slumped share price for a long while despite good fundamentals. Large volumes of KQ shares available as of 29th will have to be wiped out by larger buyers to ensure demand always outweighs supply for the share price to go up. Unless all existing shareholders REFUSE to sell..rise in share price ni uchawi. There should be a refusal to sell for any price below KES 21.50 per share, unless the Open Offer details are rolled out before 29.11.2017 Open offer/rights issue for KQ probably next year. ksh.21.50 per share on 29.11.2017 ni ndoto hiyo. Are we saying that KQ will be worth more than KCB in terms of market capitalisation in the NSE. 5.822bn shares *ksh.21.5= The company is just from announcing HY loss of ksh.3.8bn after tax. 29.11.2017 my prediction is KQ will be trading at between 1.50-2.00 per share That's where you go wrong, quick math will show you that the banks converted debt to equity at a given sum total based on KES 2.13 per share which was then split at a ratio of 1:4 giving rise to the new floor of KES 8.52.. It's practically impossible for any sane existing investor to trade at any sum below KES 8.52.. Am I deluded or extremely wise.. The biggest lie in wazua republic.That maths doesn't fit. Meanwhile KQ now has the most vibrant board at the NSE http://www.businessdaily...966-14hskl1z/index.html[/quote] I doubt whether I am wrong.. Page 12 of www.winda.co.ke/projectsafari.pdf states that KES 22.7B is the sum invested by KQ Lenders Co Ltd at KES 2.13 as part of debt to equity conversion on the back of 10.67B shares which equates to 2.66B shares post split at KES 8.52.. There's simply no other way to look at this restructuring pricing, unless you break it down contrary to my workings KQ ABP 4.26
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Ericsson		#8979 Posted : Friday, November 17, 2017 8:08:38 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,804 Location: NAIROBI		obiero wrote: Ericsson wrote: obiero wrote: Ericsson wrote: obiero wrote: [quote=ProverB]A dilution close to 20times what one holds.. A parachute offered of 4:1 at an additional cost of 1.80 per share.. A company that is still in the red despite sigh of relief from improved margins..though revenues are flat. And we expect rapid rise in share price? 1. Irrational exuberance on part of shareholders. 2. Ukiritimba.. Whatever that means..on part of KQ. Nevertheless, carry on. KQ will be good for those who come in later to collect the pieces..but not existing shareholders. Strictly talking shares trading.. Lessons from safaricom upon listing.. Volume of shares available for trading slumped share price for a long while despite good fundamentals. Large volumes of KQ shares available as of 29th will have to be wiped out by larger buyers to ensure demand always outweighs supply for the share price to go up. Unless all existing shareholders REFUSE to sell..rise in share price ni uchawi. There should be a refusal to sell for any price below KES 21.50 per share, unless the Open Offer details are rolled out before 29.11.2017 Open offer/rights issue for KQ probably next year. ksh.21.50 per share on 29.11.2017 ni ndoto hiyo. Are we saying that KQ will be worth more than KCB in terms of market capitalisation in the NSE. 5.822bn shares *ksh.21.5= The company is just from announcing HY loss of ksh.3.8bn after tax. 29.11.2017 my prediction is KQ will be trading at between 1.50-2.00 per share That's where you go wrong, quick math will show you that the banks converted debt to equity at a given sum total based on KES 2.13 per share which was then split at a ratio of 1:4 giving rise to the new floor of KES 8.52.. It's practically impossible for any sane existing investor to trade at any sum below KES 8.52.. Am I deluded or extremely wise.. The biggest lie in wazua republic.That maths doesn't fit. Meanwhile KQ now has the most vibrant board at the NSE http://www.businessdaily...966-14hskl1z/index.html[/quote] I doubt whether I am wrong.. Page 12 of www.winda.co.ke/projectsafari.pdf states that KES 22.7B is the sum invested by KQ Lenders Co Ltd at KES 2.13 as part of debt to equity conversion on the back of 10.67B shares which equates to 2.66B shares post split at KES 8.52.. There's simply no other way to look at this restructuring pricing, unless you break it down contrary to my workings Another lie the sum invested by KQ lenders is ksh.17.2bn and the shares they have been allocated is 2.219bn Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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obiero		#8980 Posted : Friday, November 17, 2017 8:18:54 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,216 Location: nairobi		Ericsson wrote: obiero wrote: Ericsson wrote: obiero wrote: Ericsson wrote: obiero wrote: [quote=ProverB]A dilution close to 20times what one holds.. A parachute offered of 4:1 at an additional cost of 1.80 per share.. A company that is still in the red despite sigh of relief from improved margins..though revenues are flat. And we expect rapid rise in share price? 1. Irrational exuberance on part of shareholders. 2. Ukiritimba.. Whatever that means..on part of KQ. Nevertheless, carry on. KQ will be good for those who come in later to collect the pieces..but not existing shareholders. Strictly talking shares trading.. Lessons from safaricom upon listing.. Volume of shares available for trading slumped share price for a long while despite good fundamentals. Large volumes of KQ shares available as of 29th will have to be wiped out by larger buyers to ensure demand always outweighs supply for the share price to go up. Unless all existing shareholders REFUSE to sell..rise in share price ni uchawi. There should be a refusal to sell for any price below KES 21.50 per share, unless the Open Offer details are rolled out before 29.11.2017 Open offer/rights issue for KQ probably next year. ksh.21.50 per share on 29.11.2017 ni ndoto hiyo. Are we saying that KQ will be worth more than KCB in terms of market capitalisation in the NSE. 5.822bn shares *ksh.21.5= The company is just from announcing HY loss of ksh.3.8bn after tax. 29.11.2017 my prediction is KQ will be trading at between 1.50-2.00 per share That's where you go wrong, quick math will show you that the banks converted debt to equity at a given sum total based on KES 2.13 per share which was then split at a ratio of 1:4 giving rise to the new floor of KES 8.52.. It's practically impossible for any sane existing investor to trade at any sum below KES 8.52.. Am I deluded or extremely wise.. The biggest lie in wazua republic.That maths doesn't fit. Meanwhile KQ now has the most vibrant board at the NSE http://www.businessdaily...966-14hskl1z/index.html[/quote] I doubt whether I am wrong.. Page 12 of www.winda.co.ke/projectsafari.pdf states that KES 22.7B is the sum invested by KQ Lenders Co Ltd at KES 2.13 as part of debt to equity conversion on the back of 10.67B shares which equates to 2.66B shares post split at KES 8.52.. There's simply no other way to look at this restructuring pricing, unless you break it down contrary to my workings Another lie the sum invested by KQ lenders is ksh.17.2bn and the shares they have been allocated is 2.219bn What point are you driving across.. It's common knowledge that there was an adjustment in the final tally.. Well, basing on your argument, it's 18.9B total KQ debt owed to KQ Lenders Co Ltd converted from debt to equity at 8.876 shares each at KES 2.13, equating to 2.219 shares at KES 8.52. Same difference! KQ ABP 4.26
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