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KCB 2018 and Beyond
MaichBlack
#791 Posted : Thursday, April 03, 2025 12:05:07 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/22/2009
Posts: 7,836
VituVingiSana wrote:
watesh wrote:
wukan wrote:
watesh wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Dividend payout to be low as they are still hungry for growth and chasing for acquisition and entry into Ethiopia.
This year they may probably hike dividend to ksh.4


Low payout is really hurting the share price but offering a good entry for long term investors.

Equity PAT 48.8bn Market Cap - 174bn
KCB PAT 61.8bn Market Cap - 135bn

This is a big buying opportunity, considering that FY24 KCB suffered from very high interest expenses and above-average provisions.


KCB has too many moving parts


Even with that, valuing it 20% lower that Equity despite having 20% higher profits is criminal. NPLs are too high but they have already provided for them; any recovery will be more income. DRC has just started ramping up to claw some market share from Rawbank & Equity BCDC.

No, KCB has NOT provided for all its NPLs.
Please check the "Disclosures" under the FY24 results

@vvs - Do you feel this inflated the profits? Justifiably or unjustifiably?

I heard the CEO saying they had provided even for loans that were not under risk like in a case where the same client had a Kshs. loan that was being serviced without issue and a dollar loan that was problematic. They provided for BOTH loans.
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
watesh
#792 Posted : Friday, April 04, 2025 7:46:44 AM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 8/10/2014
Posts: 992
Location: Kenya
VituVingiSana wrote:
watesh wrote:
wukan wrote:
watesh wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Dividend payout to be low as they are still hungry for growth and chasing for acquisition and entry into Ethiopia.
This year they may probably hike dividend to ksh.4


Low payout is really hurting the share price but offering a good entry for long term investors.

Equity PAT 48.8bn Market Cap - 174bn
KCB PAT 61.8bn Market Cap - 135bn

This is a big buying opportunity, considering that FY24 KCB suffered from very high interest expenses and above-average provisions.


KCB has too many moving parts


Even with that, valuing it 20% lower that Equity despite having 20% higher profits is criminal. NPLs are too high but they have already provided for them; any recovery will be more income. DRC has just started ramping up to claw some market share from Rawbank & Equity BCDC.

No, KCB has NOT provided for all its NPLs.
Please check the "Disclosures" under the FY24 results


Page 29 on the investor presentations. 107% IFRS coverage provided by collateral and provisions (116% coverage as per the regulations). This is after a high depreciation rate is applied to the collateral.

Then, there are extra provisions for performing loans since the loan owner has another nonperforming loan.
shocks
#793 Posted : Friday, April 04, 2025 9:35:52 AM
Rank: Member

Joined: 3/15/2009
Posts: 362
watesh wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
watesh wrote:
wukan wrote:
watesh wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Dividend payout to be low as they are still hungry for growth and chasing for acquisition and entry into Ethiopia.
This year they may probably hike dividend to ksh.4


Low payout is really hurting the share price but offering a good entry for long term investors.

Equity PAT 48.8bn Market Cap - 174bn
KCB PAT 61.8bn Market Cap - 135bn

This is a big buying opportunity, considering that FY24 KCB suffered from very high interest expenses and above-average provisions.


KCB has too many moving parts


Even with that, valuing it 20% lower that Equity despite having 20% higher profits is criminal. NPLs are too high but they have already provided for them; any recovery will be more income. DRC has just started ramping up to claw some market share from Rawbank & Equity BCDC.

No, KCB has NOT provided for all its NPLs.
Please check the "Disclosures" under the FY24 results


Page 29 on the investor presentations. 107% IFRS coverage provided by collateral and provisions (116% coverage as per the regulations). This is after a high depreciation rate is applied to the collateral.

Then, there are extra provisions for performing loans since the loan owner has another nonperforming loan.

That collateral value is quite tricky, lots of property that they can't offload for their "book value"
VituVingiSana
#794 Posted : Friday, April 04, 2025 10:20:08 AM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,344
Location: Nairobi
watesh wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
watesh wrote:
wukan wrote:
watesh wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Dividend payout to be low as they are still hungry for growth and chasing for acquisition and entry into Ethiopia.
This year they may probably hike dividend to ksh.4


Low payout is really hurting the share price but offering a good entry for long term investors.

Equity PAT 48.8bn Market Cap - 174bn
KCB PAT 61.8bn Market Cap - 135bn

This is a big buying opportunity, considering that FY24 KCB suffered from very high interest expenses and above-average provisions.


KCB has too many moving parts


Even with that, valuing it 20% lower that Equity despite having 20% higher profits is criminal. NPLs are too high but they have already provided for them; any recovery will be more income. DRC has just started ramping up to claw some market share from Rawbank & Equity BCDC.

No, KCB has NOT provided for all its NPLs.
Please check the "Disclosures" under the FY24 results


Page 29 on the investor presentations. 107% IFRS coverage provided by collateral and provisions (116% coverage as per the regulations). This is after a high depreciation rate is applied to the collateral.

Then, there are extra provisions for performing loans since the loan owner has another nonperforming loan.

"NPLs are too high but they have already provided for them"
Look at the Disclosures. Again. All NPLs have NOT been provided for. Just a portion per IFRS requirements. I was answering/commenting on the comment.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#795 Posted : Friday, April 04, 2025 10:22:19 AM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,344
Location: Nairobi
MaichBlack wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
watesh wrote:
wukan wrote:
watesh wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Dividend payout to be low as they are still hungry for growth and chasing for acquisition and entry into Ethiopia.
This year they may probably hike dividend to ksh.4


Low payout is really hurting the share price but offering a good entry for long term investors.

Equity PAT 48.8bn Market Cap - 174bn
KCB PAT 61.8bn Market Cap - 135bn

This is a big buying opportunity, considering that FY24 KCB suffered from very high interest expenses and above-average provisions.


KCB has too many moving parts


Even with that, valuing it 20% lower that Equity despite having 20% higher profits is criminal. NPLs are too high but they have already provided for them; any recovery will be more income. DRC has just started ramping up to claw some market share from Rawbank & Equity BCDC.

No, KCB has NOT provided for all its NPLs.
Please check the "Disclosures" under the FY24 results

@vvs - Do you feel this inflated the profits? Justifiably or unjustifiably?

I heard the CEO saying they had provided even for loans that were not under risk like in a case where the same client had a Kshs. loan that was being serviced without issue and a dollar loan that was problematic. They provided for BOTH loans.


This is a tough one. There's a lot of subjectivity.
If KCB can recover the non-provided portions then they are adequately covered but I prefer caution given the time it takes to sell assets in Kenya.

It's better to provide as much as possible and if there is a recovery then write it back.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
MaichBlack
#796 Posted : Friday, April 04, 2025 10:52:32 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/22/2009
Posts: 7,836
watesh wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
watesh wrote:
wukan wrote:
watesh wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Dividend payout to be low as they are still hungry for growth and chasing for acquisition and entry into Ethiopia.
This year they may probably hike dividend to ksh.4


Low payout is really hurting the share price but offering a good entry for long term investors.

Equity PAT 48.8bn Market Cap - 174bn
KCB PAT 61.8bn Market Cap - 135bn

This is a big buying opportunity, considering that FY24 KCB suffered from very high interest expenses and above-average provisions.


KCB has too many moving parts


Even with that, valuing it 20% lower that Equity despite having 20% higher profits is criminal. NPLs are too high but they have already provided for them; any recovery will be more income. DRC has just started ramping up to claw some market share from Rawbank & Equity BCDC.

No, KCB has NOT provided for all its NPLs.
Please check the "Disclosures" under the FY24 results


Page 29 on the investor presentations. 107% IFRS coverage provided by collateral and provisions (116% coverage as per the regulations). This is after a high depreciation rate is applied to the collateral.

Then, there are extra provisions for performing loans since the loan owner has another nonperforming loan.

Yeah. I heard the second one. The CEO was saying he even had a difficult time explaining to the directors why they need to provision for both.
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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