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Safcom on a dive, whats going on?
youcan'tstopusnow
#141 Posted : Monday, August 23, 2010 12:43:43 PM
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A low of 5.05! Now that's what I call a dive. 6 bob seems so far away.
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mv_ufanisi
#142 Posted : Monday, August 23, 2010 3:06:59 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
No more excuses for people to 'flash' me... I used to call back from Zain (when it was 6/-)... Now I sms them (@ 1/-) to get a Zain line!!!

I have had a Zain line for ages... I also keep a Safaricon line but pole pole I have stopped using it...


Pretty smart thinking. I just got a Zain line. From now on I will give out Zain as my number while SCOM receives any calls and slowly completely stop using it. And put in the savings into Sasini or some other little traded stock.
mlennyma
#143 Posted : Monday, August 23, 2010 3:27:01 PM
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Contrarian principles are applicable here,am preparing for a 0.5M SAFCOM purchase order.a fundamentally sound stock rewards those who stick to it even in times of euphoria.
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
Wamutonyi
#144 Posted : Monday, August 23, 2010 3:42:08 PM
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kenmac wrote:
>> @ p koli and vvs, am not a safaricom operative but wamutonyis mercenary conduct is questionable.....like qw with orange.



there is a signature here that reads....KEEP YOUR WORDS SOFT AND TENDER, YOU MAY EAT THEM TOMORROW....and some of us may eat unpallatable words if safaricom fixes that supa ongea tariff at 1 bob....Do i say i felt betrayed when Yu hiked the data charges from 3bob per Mb to 10bob, i literally burnt the line...but am eating humble pie after paying 50bob to replace the line...



@Kenmac, For me, it is better to eat humble pie than pay 8 bob per minute. You mention Safaricom fixing supa ongea to 1 bob, the customer benefits if this happens and this is what am fighting for. SafCON are still adamant and do not feel their tariff is expensive coz they feel they are entitled to the huge profits in an economy like ours.

I have no beef with SafariCON beyond that. Unless you are pretending nobody wants to pay more for a service that can be gotten cheaper elsewhere. I don't work for Zain but I am highly suspicious that you and mllenyma work for safaricom and are thus have a stake to protect.
the deal
#145 Posted : Monday, August 23, 2010 5:06:17 PM
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I dont think Safaricom will go below 5 bob....anything below that there will be a stampede at the NSE...
bkismat
#146 Posted : Monday, August 23, 2010 5:54:31 PM
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kenmac wrote:
>> @ p koli and vvs, am not a safaricom operative but wamutonyis mercenary conduct is questionable.....like qw with orange.



there is a signature here that reads....KEEP YOUR WORDS SOFT AND TENDER, YOU MAY EAT THEM TOMORROW....and some of us may eat unpallatable words if safaricom fixes that supa ongea tariff at 1 bob....Do i say i felt betrayed when Yu hiked the data charges from 3bob per Mb to 10bob, i literally burnt the line...but am eating humble pie after paying 50bob to replace the line...

When it does that I will be happy an will gladly troop back to safcom.That is all the customers are asking for. Give us reasonable tariffs and we shall be loyal.Treat us like crap and we keep away.
It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt...
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hisah
#147 Posted : Monday, August 23, 2010 5:58:11 PM
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Anyway back to trading. Scom has retraced 13% from the Aug 3rd close of 6/- to 5.20 as of today. As per tech analysis the weekly sell-off has been swift and is now overextended (oversold) and ready for a relief/counter bounce. This can be confirmed looking at the 50, 100 and 200 day SMA levels which have all been breached - making 5.70 the near term resistance. And today's price action and volume is interesting. After an intraday low of 5.05, the demand picked up (2:1) towards the close. Today's volume is what is called 'stopping supply' which is done by smart money aka maboyz (do they know something since this is not dividend inspired?). In most cases when a huge buy volume spikes goes into a falling price, the selling pressure is absorbed and this can be spotted from the last price before market close (5.35). The tech indicators, RSI and slow Stochastics are also deep in oversold levels. If tomorrow the share closes 4% down that should see the price at 5/- (the lower the better) where I intend to buy looking for a bounce up to 5.50 - 5.60 by Sept 3rd (book closure)- That being an 8% (minus commissions - buy/sell) weekly gain. Since the MACD is rolling south on the 6mth chart, I can't hold this one on mid to long term until the 100 day SMA level is reclaimed - currently at 5.70. After book closure the price action should be interesting. If we can deep to 4 - 4.40 levels the better for long term entry.

@qw - since you're a techs guy, what's your take for this quick profit for a 500K which will be 40K in a few days. Not bad for a quick buck on the contra trend especially after this spooked some loose hearts smile Morgan Stanley downgrades scom to equal weight - their target is now 5.60 from 6.40
NOTE: This is risky and not for the faint-hearted smile

@the deal - I'm a bit concerned with the lack of buy volume on NSE overall, that is not supportive of a healthy rally and supporting 4600 levels will be a bit difficult.
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qw25041985
#148 Posted : Monday, August 23, 2010 6:19:44 PM
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You guyz mightnt know this but scom officals ar in europe now pleading w/ the foreigners. That explains the gush of demand today.
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kanda
#149 Posted : Monday, August 23, 2010 7:06:06 PM
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despite what your tech analysis says, scom profitability will reduce significantly going fwd. logically i d expect the same to happen to the share price. those trying to support the price only want to create an opportunity to bail out. one cannot support a 200b+ share for long. scom was overvalued during the IPO and the correction is nigh. mobitelea collected their cut kitambo!
guru267
#150 Posted : Monday, August 23, 2010 7:35:59 PM
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I also sense a relief rally soon because of strong support at 5bob but i just couldn't wait to find out having got in at 2.8bob... @the deal i know you bought at 5.50 so if the relief rally comes before books closure my advice is sell when the time comes...
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StatMeister
#151 Posted : Monday, August 23, 2010 9:21:20 PM
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qw25041985 wrote:
You guyz mightnt know this but scom officals ar in europe now pleading w/ the foreigners. That explains the gush of demand today.


which foreigners and how so? i have always assumed interaction between company management and shareholders is minimal

furthermore, doesn't such an activity amount to insider trading?
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StatMeister
#152 Posted : Monday, August 23, 2010 9:30:54 PM
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when doing SWOT for SAF, dont forget 2 things: # portability, MJs exit.
A bad day fishing is better than a good day at work
stocksguru
#153 Posted : Monday, August 23, 2010 11:56:57 PM
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When two elephants fight, it is the "green" grass that gets the brunt of it...

IMHO, this is not about Safaricom and never will be; its about two Indian telcos both listed on the Bombay stock exchange, and fighting a cut throat thingy for their shareholders ( http://en.wikipedia.org/...e_Bombay_Stock_Exchange ) and Vodafone - a telco better known to clande around with everyone and anyone as long as cash exchanges hands

In India, Essar partners with Vodafone ( http://www.vodafone.in ), and their outfit is way smaller compared to Bharti, (India's largest mobile operator). Another note: Yu piggy-backs on the "Zain" network in areas where it does not have base-station presence. Love triangle, this mess!

My take is that Essar, (Vodafone's pal read clande, in India) - at Vodafone's orchestration - got into yu as a spoiler for Orange, Vodafone's most dreaded rival who perennially clobbers them at will in ALL other markets in which both operate (UK included http://en.wikipedia.org/...f_Europe#United_Kingdom ). The exception is Kenya - we are peculiar.

On the other hand, Bharti freaked out that if Essar made headway in emerging markets, (especially Kenya, touted as the emerging silicon valley of Africa) it could complicate its game-plan back home; (Kamau beats Wachira in the club, Wachira darks out of the club for a breather, Kamau follows Wachira outside the club fearing he's gone to get a weapon and the fight goes on outside the club) We all know a good offence is often a sufficient defense strategy, thats what it is about Bharti and Esser.

Am giving it to MJ... That he has held nerve for almost a week is commendable - that is leadership - I just hope he's making well considered decisions (assuming they are still his to make), what am not certain is whether he sees the above fight for what it is. I have this gut feeling MJ is not leaving Safcon out of free will, someone showed him the door (or he showed that someone a middle finger). First he looses his top distribution lieutenant mobicom, then gava lets him down on the 3G license saga and cedes its 20% in teams to Orange then Bharti... I recall reading some article that prohibits acquisition of telcos without government approval, what am wondering is whether that was meant to stop the legitimizing of the Vodafone-Essar indian clande locally. I read allot of gava-shafting in Vodafone's case, but gava is building roads, so the shafting can continue!

Then again, i would not be at all surprised if MJ surfaced on mombasa road on January 7th 2011 donning Bharti furahiday-dress-down colors...

Back to stocks & investments: SCBK is the MKesho for Zain's Mpesa called Zap, Discuss!

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kyt
#154 Posted : Tuesday, August 24, 2010 12:38:31 AM
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zain rules 4 ever
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guru267
#155 Posted : Tuesday, August 24, 2010 1:19:38 AM
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stocksguru wrote:
Back to stocks & investments: SCBK is the MKesho for Zain's Mpesa called Zap, Discuss!

@stocksguru sorry to disappoint you because SCBK is nowhere near as widespread.... Coop or KCB are zain's only option if they hope to make any meaningful impact
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VituVingiSana
#156 Posted : Tuesday, August 24, 2010 1:25:44 AM
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At 3/- off-net... forget those CONplicated deals from safariCON...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
youcan'tstopusnow
#157 Posted : Tuesday, August 24, 2010 11:07:32 AM
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Offer valid upto September 23rd 2010. Sigh... Same old Safaricon. They never learn.
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VituVingiSana
#158 Posted : Tuesday, August 24, 2010 11:19:47 AM
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guru267 wrote:
stocksguru wrote:
Back to stocks & investments: SCBK is the MKesho for Zain's Mpesa called Zap, Discuss!

@stocksguru sorry to disappoint you because SCBK is nowhere near as widespread.... Coop or KCB are zain's only option if they hope to make any meaningful impact

Or partner with multiple banks including the smaller ones... What about joining with Family Bank...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
kadonye
#159 Posted : Tuesday, August 24, 2010 11:31:19 AM
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If my memory serves me right, there was this time MJ owned up to the fact that their super-normal profits were unsustainable in the long run.I don't think Safcon were totally shocked by Zain's move.It was only just a matter of time...
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hisah
#160 Posted : Tuesday, August 24, 2010 12:53:31 PM
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Scom morning price action is already confirming the 'stop supply' yesterday - currently a 12M buy order for 5.20 definitely will prevent the 5.20 breakdown. My desired price (5 or below) will not make it today for this short term relief trade. No need to chase the trade. Targets still remain 5.40 - 5.70. Above 5.60 selling pressure increases. But I don't expect it to hold above 5.50 after book closure. I still maintain the 5/- handle has to be lost to entice more big buyers. But the support at 5/- is huge. So that seesaw buyer/seller fight will be interesting.

As for long term investors, I don't know how many of you have checked the current scom prospectus and noticed that the Chair, CEO and Investment Officer hold amongst them approx 5.5M shares. That's 0.013% of the 40B share lot?!? Even more peculiar the CFO has no holdings? I wonder how many of their staff are still holding or even increased when it tanked to the pit below 3/- in Q1 2009. I wonder how many also participated in the ESOP last year.
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