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ku on rampage,fires&lootings
Kasheshi
#71 Posted : Tuesday, March 31, 2009 10:58:00 AM
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@ Obi,like your friends nanfor and burning spear you miss the point. Nobody is saying that the students may not have had valid grievances. What you need to learn,not just you but apparently a high percentage of Kenyans is the use of violence is not a solution to our problems. Yesterday,my landlord increased the rent by 1000. According to you i would be justified in burning down the whole apartment building. I didn't do that. Why? I'll end up in prison. Lesson? Grow up and realize that every action has its consequences no matter how aggrieved you feel. Also,there are channels for airing ones grievances that exist and are more civilized. Try those

R
Obi 1 Kanobi
#72 Posted : Tuesday, March 31, 2009 11:09:00 AM
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@ Kasheshi,you simply don't get it.

You choose to condemn the students for burning the dorm = effect

I choose to condemn the university management for negligence = cause

Btn the 2 of us who is addressing facts and who is witch hunting.


I guess if you can't win with facts,you can always pen bile-laced,xenophobic rants to distract everyone.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
gramware
#73 Posted : Tuesday, March 31, 2009 11:18:00 AM
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all you guys who recommend stern actions to deal with strikes and call the students who passed their way to campus fools,the university admin already beat you to such a ruling after The first strike. The result was a very violent second strike which looters and arsons happily joined in. So we can implement your recommendations,and keep them safely to implement them after the next strike. As you drive near the campus,watch out for the next strike too. Repeat this process until the campus is no more,where all the students have been suspended,shot or have been arrested.

http://gramware.blogspot.com
Kasheshi
#74 Posted : Tuesday, March 31, 2009 11:25:00 AM
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I've heard you loud and clear now answer this question without beating about the bush. Once you leave campus and join the real world and are confronted with real life problems,are these the same methods you'll use to address your grievances?

R
Burning Spear
#75 Posted : Tuesday, March 31, 2009 11:37:00 AM
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@kasheshi and followers,

frankly,what courses did you take in universities(not intended to rub you the wrong way)

Didnt you do such units of sociology and similar units.
Did you understand the behavioural living approach of human beings and to some extent animals(man included).
Read Dr Ken Ouko from THE and he will be telling you how people act the way they act.

Am sorry but most of you are burrying their heads in the sand or like the provabial ostrich,chicken.....

THE PROBLEM NOW IS TO CORRECT THE UNDERLYING CAUSES BEFORE YOU TALK OF THE DAMAGE.

I can bet that suspending students or killing or expelling the students is not the solution if we do not look back and rectify where the admin went wrong.

"You're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who says it". Malcolm X
holycow
#76 Posted : Tuesday, March 31, 2009 11:37:00 AM
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Haven't bothered to read all the threads but one thing for sure,if you attended a public university (moreso as a regular student) you'll identify with the Comrades at KU. Whats with the dresscode?? If you need one go to Baraton,Daystar etc or any religious based universities that bears semblance to High school.

COMRADE POWER!!!! Ra! Ra!
Obi 1 Kanobi
#77 Posted : Tuesday, March 31, 2009 11:53:00 AM
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Joined: 7/23/2008
Posts: 3,017
@ Kasheshi

What do you mean in the real world.

But to answer your question,at University,I was young and impressionable,I made choices based on my thinking then. I did make mistakes but non that I regret.

The only change are expectations in life,I have more responsibilities,I am more patient and understanding and definitely take much less risk.

But the bottomline is the same person then is still the same person now.

The University students do not have the benefit of hindsight and experience that the management does. So management must bear more responsibility and act like managers and not students.

Obama himself has admitted to doing weed as a university student,yet he has turned out okay.

I guess if you can't win with facts,you can always pen bile-laced,xenophobic rants to distract everyone.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
nanfor
#78 Posted : Tuesday, March 31, 2009 11:53:00 AM
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Joined: 3/6/2009
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A few years ago,if a woman wore pants she was indecently dressed and was going to get a public beating. This decency thing is as holier than thou argument as you will ever get. It is used by rapists who say that the woman was provoking them. It does not pass muster. If you want to control how people dress,I suggest you talk to your own children and not mine.

The Vice Chancellor of Kenyatta University is not the fashion police. If she is then she should join mungiki and al queda. I am sure they will find proper use for her.

Do not pretend that the students woke up one morning and decided to go burn buildings with nothing provoking them.

The reason could have been stupid or legitimate. It depends on your point of view. If you are the admin it is stupid. If you are a student,it was legitimate.

The question you should be asking is what was the admin doing to quell something which anyone knew was going to blow up? She was issuing more rules. Guys,these are not sheep you are dealing with. If she does not know the basics of human behavior then she should not be there. She reminds me of someone else who I will not mention on this thread.

Someone's child is dead today after your vaunted police decided to shoot all those who do not dress decently,or those against the VC. I will not be shocked to learn that the said student was nowhere near the hooligans that started all this. All that the VC apologists are talking about is a building and computers. I guess now the dead student equals the buildings as per these arguments.

If Mbithi could stand up during Moi's era and stop students from rioting,kweli what is this woman? She is a failure and you can abuse me as much as you wish but she is. She has a direct hand in everything that has happened in that campus the past few days.

To make things worse,she is a liar. I for one do not pretend to be so saved that I cannot see a liar when I see one. She is not fit to lead that campus and no amount of making the students the only devils in all this will change that. She lied to the parents of that student that their son was safe. She is a liar.

I am still waiting for someone to tell me exactly what scientific evidence anyone on SK has come up with that shows that dressing 'decently',being in the NYS,sexually molesting students,expelling students,and even killing some of them will forever stop student riots in universities in Kenya.


leona
#79 Posted : Tuesday, March 31, 2009 2:17:00 PM
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@Wendz
i agree with you on this one.

@Kasheshi
I get your point....lakini wengine hapa hawawezi elewa hata u-explain aje!

To me,it seems like it's become a battle between certain age groups thus the varied opinions. Needless to say,Age comes with wisdom. and one day,some of the contributors will understand why some things have to be done in certain ways and some dresscodes have to be reserved for certain occasions.and why violence never solves anything... But,until then,we cannot force it upon them to understand...Age,will do its work

Advice is what we ask for when we already know the answer but wish we didn't..
Nevermind what haters say, ignore them til they fade away - Just live your life
McReggae
#80 Posted : Tuesday, March 31, 2009 2:28:00 PM
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Joined: 6/17/2008
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Location: Nairobi
and now the woman is saying that THE had something to do with the strike.......lhuyu mwanamke ameshindwa job......PERIOD!!!

Make money.....then you will enjoy all the fine things in life!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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